Is rape such a big deal anymore?
Posted by korean_man, Nov 1 2008, 08:51 AM
Now don't get me wrong.
I am NOT advocating or encouraging that guys out there break the law and commit a felony crime.
Don't even THINK about doing something like that.
But when a report like the one below pops up, you really have wonder if rape provokes the same kind of outrage as before, given what American women have become over the years.
According to the report below, the defense is claiming that 9 women lied about the rape charge. OTOH, these women could be telling the truth. Or maybe some of what they allege are true, some are not. I don't know what happened, and I won't make any judgment either on who is guilty or innocent.
I do know that current rape laws in the US make it much easier for a woman to hit a man with a felony charge of rape, even if she bears a lot of the blame for what took place. Or even if nothing of the sort took place at all. An accusation of rape is virtually an automatic conviction for men.
I also know that if these women had not chosen to enter the professional world of modeling, which is actually a pretty sleazy business, the chances of their being in a situation where they could have been sexually assaulted would have been slim to none.
Women were much safer when traditional controls were imposed on them. By having the goal of being a stay-at-home wife with a husband (as opposed to being a career woman in order to be independent of men), women could count on being protected from threats of rape. A woman who stayed home didn't put herself in situations that might increase the chances of her being raped. And by committing herself to just one man, a woman behaved properly; she knew she had to be chaste in her demeanor towards other men so as not to give the appearance of inviting sex, and therefore putting herself at risk of being sexually assaulted.
Current rape law is a result of the feminist movement. When traditional controls on women are loosened, women become freer and independent to roam around without a man by their side, which puts them at a much higher risk of being sexually assaulted. So the more independent and free women have become, the more repressive rape laws have to be towards men.
Unfortunately, there is little men can do to reform or change the law since women (whether they identify themselves as feminist or not) will never, ever allow the current law to be changed. Many, many innocent women (and men) will have to be destroyed first before women finally realize that "gender equality" actually harms them.
Current rape law is just one more sad example of how feminist measures taken to empower women have only de-valued their worth to men -- and have even endangered their lives.
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Fashion designer's serial rape case goes to jury
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 10/31/2008 06:30:30 PM PDT
LOS ANGELES—A defense attorney for fashion designer Anand Jon Alexander told jurors Friday in closing arguments that his client should be acquitted of rape charges because his accusers are lying and seeking revenge.
"How many times did you hear 'I don't recall' from them during the trial?" asked defense attorney Leonard Levine. "I stopped counting at 300. These women lied. They lied, they exaggerated and nobody cared—but you should care."
The case now heads to the jury, which will deliberate next week accusations that Alexander raped nine females, most of them aspiring models, at his Beverly Hills apartment.
Levine said the women who testified against Alexander "invited what happened," then made up stories so they could sue Alexander after his criminal case.
Deputy District Attorney Frances Young told jurors Alexander is a "sexual predator," and should be found guilty because he humiliated and degraded naive girls who came to Hollywood with dreams of fame.
"What we heard was four male lawyers defending their male client and what we heard was a lot of misogyny," Young said. "These girls did nothing wrong. None of these girls invited what happened to them."
"This is a very sick man," Young told the jury. "He was an abuser of women who picked a profession where he would be surrounded by teenage girls."
Beverly Hills police began investigating Alexander in March 2007 when a woman reported she had been sexually assaulted
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by the designer in his apartment. Before his arrest in June 2007, Alexander was featured on the TV show, "America's Next Top Model."
He now faces 27 counts, including forcible rape and committing lewd acts on a child, stemming from assaults that allegedly happened between 2001 and 2007. The alleged victims ranged in age from 14 to 21.
If convicted of all counts, Alexander faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 10/31/2008 06:30:30 PM PDT
LOS ANGELES—A defense attorney for fashion designer Anand Jon Alexander told jurors Friday in closing arguments that his client should be acquitted of rape charges because his accusers are lying and seeking revenge.
"How many times did you hear 'I don't recall' from them during the trial?" asked defense attorney Leonard Levine. "I stopped counting at 300. These women lied. They lied, they exaggerated and nobody cared—but you should care."
The case now heads to the jury, which will deliberate next week accusations that Alexander raped nine females, most of them aspiring models, at his Beverly Hills apartment.
Levine said the women who testified against Alexander "invited what happened," then made up stories so they could sue Alexander after his criminal case.
Deputy District Attorney Frances Young told jurors Alexander is a "sexual predator," and should be found guilty because he humiliated and degraded naive girls who came to Hollywood with dreams of fame.
"What we heard was four male lawyers defending their male client and what we heard was a lot of misogyny," Young said. "These girls did nothing wrong. None of these girls invited what happened to them."
"This is a very sick man," Young told the jury. "He was an abuser of women who picked a profession where he would be surrounded by teenage girls."
Beverly Hills police began investigating Alexander in March 2007 when a woman reported she had been sexually assaulted
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by the designer in his apartment. Before his arrest in June 2007, Alexander was featured on the TV show, "America's Next Top Model."
He now faces 27 counts, including forcible rape and committing lewd acts on a child, stemming from assaults that allegedly happened between 2001 and 2007. The alleged victims ranged in age from 14 to 21.
If convicted of all counts, Alexander faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.
Comments
officiallynana, Nov 5 2008, 09:12 AM
korean_man, Nov 5 2008, 02:38 PM
QUOTE(officiallynana @ Nov 5 2008, 09:12 AM)
your entry intrigued me to respond. it may be true that some ladies may have lied about being raped.. in that case - SHAME ON THEM. but what bothers me most about your entry is when you stated that women are much "safer" in traditonal roles. haven't you heard of grandma's getting raped? also, is it a girl's fault for getting raped because she wore $kanky clothes? no. it's the guy's fault for not being able to keep it in his pants.
i am not a feminist - just a girl with opinions who also respects your opinions.
i am not a feminist - just a girl with opinions who also respects your opinions.
Of course women are much safer in traditional roles. Sure, their safety isn't 100% guaranteed. But women who choose to be housewives are still in a more secure environment, safe in a home, and with a husband to protect them. IOW, they are minimizing the risk of being victims of sexual assault.
They are a lot safer than single women who are alone in the house, such as this unlucky woman who just recently died from her injuries.
A woman who chooses the feminist route of "finding herself" or "building self-esteem" by having a professional career is actually putting her physical safety at risk. She may like the independence and freedom a career gives her, but she has also made herself much more vulnerable to getting raped.
And yes, it is a girl's fault for getting raped when she chooses to wear skanky clothes. When women choose to dress like whores and flaunt their sexuality, they are taking very foolish risks for their reckless, irresponsible behavior -- and will naturally suffer the consequences as a result.
This post has been edited by korean_man: Nov 6 2008, 12:15 AM
MyDreams84, Nov 6 2008, 08:43 PM
It's still a big deal because it's still a crime. Now that forensics have improved, we can look forward to truth in the justice system.
korean_man, Nov 7 2008, 09:02 AM
QUOTE(MyDreams84 @ Nov 6 2008, 08:43 PM)
It's still a big deal because it's still a crime. Now that forensics have improved, we can look forward to truth in the justice system.
Rape will only be a big deal when the women are valued and worth defending. Unfortunately, feminism has de-valued women in the eyes of many men. Better forensics won't reduce the number of rapes from happening. A major step towards true justice is removing the numerous feminist laws that basically protect women from the consequences of their irresponsible mis-behavior.
This post has been edited by korean_man: Nov 7 2008, 10:07 AM
1dave, Jan 13 2009, 04:22 AM
It should not matter what the women's profession is. Any man that attacks a women need to be locked up.
How can you say things her being vulnerable?
Don't make accuses for a rapist. If someone left a unlocked car in a parking lot does it mean you should take it? no
Women should have the right to feel free and and go about their daily business without some predator attacking them.
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How can you say things her being vulnerable?
Don't make accuses for a rapist. If someone left a unlocked car in a parking lot does it mean you should take it? no
Women should have the right to feel free and and go about their daily business without some predator attacking them.
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korean_man, Jan 23 2009, 02:07 PM
QUOTE(1dave @ Jan 13 2009, 04:22 AM)
It should not matter what the women's profession is. Any man that attacks a women need to be locked up.
How can you say things her being vulnerable?
Don't make accuses for a rapist. If someone left a unlocked car in a parking lot does it mean you should take it? no
Women should have the right to feel free and and go about their daily business without some predator attacking them.
Asian t-shirts
How can you say things her being vulnerable?
Don't make accuses for a rapist. If someone left a unlocked car in a parking lot does it mean you should take it? no
Women should have the right to feel free and and go about their daily business without some predator attacking them.
Asian t-shirts
A person also has the "right" to leave his car unlocked in a parking lot. If the car were stolen as a result, he must take the blame for exercising this "right."
By the same token, if women choose to exercise their "right" to feel free (i.e., dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually), then they must accept the consequences, and take the blame for their irresponsible behavior.
EurasianSensation, Feb 6 2009, 07:16 PM
"A person also has the "right" to leave his car unlocked in a parking lot. If the car were stolen as a result, he must take the blame for exercising this "right."
By the same token, if women choose to exercise their "right" to feel free (i.e., dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually), then they must accept the consequences, and take the blame for their irresponsible behavior."
Korean Man, you really need to have a look at your attitudes. And I'm a man, by the way.
"Dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually" ??????
The problem is men, not women wear. In some tribal cultures, women wear next to nothing. Does that mean they are constantly raped because they are keeping men in a constant state of arousal?
I see women dressed in skimpy sexy outfits all the time. Yet somehow I manage to control myself! As do the vast majority of men.
I know you don't mean to be encouraging rape, but the thing is, views like yours encourage the idea that women are mostly to blame for what happens. Which means that men don't have to take responsibility for their behaviour.
Basically what you imply is that if women don't want to be raped, all they have to do is not leave the house, and not look attractive, and not have access to the freedoms that we associate with a modern civilised society.
By the same token, if women choose to exercise their "right" to feel free (i.e., dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually), then they must accept the consequences, and take the blame for their irresponsible behavior."
Korean Man, you really need to have a look at your attitudes. And I'm a man, by the way.
"Dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually" ??????
The problem is men, not women wear. In some tribal cultures, women wear next to nothing. Does that mean they are constantly raped because they are keeping men in a constant state of arousal?
I see women dressed in skimpy sexy outfits all the time. Yet somehow I manage to control myself! As do the vast majority of men.
I know you don't mean to be encouraging rape, but the thing is, views like yours encourage the idea that women are mostly to blame for what happens. Which means that men don't have to take responsibility for their behaviour.
Basically what you imply is that if women don't want to be raped, all they have to do is not leave the house, and not look attractive, and not have access to the freedoms that we associate with a modern civilised society.
404loitering, Feb 14 2009, 09:11 AM
"I do know that current rape laws in the US make it much easier for a woman to hit a man with a felony charge of rape, even if she bears a lot of the blame for what took place."
It may be true that a false rape charge may take away the serious level of the actual act of rape, but i think it's important to not forget the bottom line for each accusation....which is, rape is a forced violation of a person's liberty. And a false accusation is also a violation on the accused's liberty. She should be subjected to punishment as well.
I think the most obvious case of this is the Kobe Bryant case. The guy was being exploited and his whole life (money, career, and wife) could have hung in the hands of a jury. She should be under scruitney for excepting a deal.
It may be true that a false rape charge may take away the serious level of the actual act of rape, but i think it's important to not forget the bottom line for each accusation....which is, rape is a forced violation of a person's liberty. And a false accusation is also a violation on the accused's liberty. She should be subjected to punishment as well.
I think the most obvious case of this is the Kobe Bryant case. The guy was being exploited and his whole life (money, career, and wife) could have hung in the hands of a jury. She should be under scruitney for excepting a deal.
korean_man, Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM
QUOTE(404loitering @ Feb 14 2009, 09:11 AM)
"I do know that current rape laws in the US make it much easier for a woman to hit a man with a felony charge of rape, even if she bears a lot of the blame for what took place."
It may be true that a false rape charge may take away the serious level of the actual act of rape, but i think it's important to not forget the bottom line for each accusation....which is, rape is a forced violation of a person's liberty.
It may be true that a false rape charge may take away the serious level of the actual act of rape, but i think it's important to not forget the bottom line for each accusation....which is, rape is a forced violation of a person's liberty.
The point is that an accusation of rape -- regardless of whether the charge is true or not -- is a virtual death warrant on a man's reputation and livelihood. It is, IOW, a forced violation of a person's (i.e., man's) liberty.
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And a false accusation is also a violation on the accused's liberty. She should be subjected to punishment as well. I think the most obvious case of this is the Kobe Bryant case. The guy was being exploited and his whole life (money, career, and wife) could have hung in the hands of a jury. She should be under scruitney for excepting a deal.
All so-called "rape shield laws" in the United States (as it pertains to American females who have reached sexual maturity) should be repealed. These are laws that limit a defendant's ability to cross-examine alleged rape victims about their past sexual behavior, as well as prohibit the publication of the alleged rape victim's identity.
korean_man, Mar 20 2009, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(EurasianSensation @ Feb 6 2009, 07:16 PM)
"A person also has the "right" to leave his car unlocked in a parking lot. If the car were stolen as a result, he must take the blame for exercising this "right."
By the same token, if women choose to exercise their "right" to feel free (i.e., dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually), then they must accept the consequences, and take the blame for their irresponsible behavior."
Korean Man, you really need to have a look at your attitudes. And I'm a man, by the way.
"Dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually" ??????
The problem is men, not women wear. In some tribal cultures, women wear next to nothing. Does that mean they are constantly raped because they are keeping men in a constant state of arousal?
I see women dressed in skimpy sexy outfits all the time. Yet somehow I manage to control myself! As do the vast majority of men.
I know you don't mean to be encouraging rape, but the thing is, views like yours encourage the idea that women are mostly to blame for what happens. Which means that men don't have to take responsibility for their behaviour.
Basically what you imply is that if women don't want to be raped, all they have to do is not leave the house, and not look attractive, and not have access to the freedoms that we associate with a modern civilised society.
By the same token, if women choose to exercise their "right" to feel free (i.e., dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually), then they must accept the consequences, and take the blame for their irresponsible behavior."
Korean Man, you really need to have a look at your attitudes. And I'm a man, by the way.
"Dress up like a whore and taunt men sexually" ??????
The problem is men, not women wear. In some tribal cultures, women wear next to nothing. Does that mean they are constantly raped because they are keeping men in a constant state of arousal?
I see women dressed in skimpy sexy outfits all the time. Yet somehow I manage to control myself! As do the vast majority of men.
I know you don't mean to be encouraging rape, but the thing is, views like yours encourage the idea that women are mostly to blame for what happens. Which means that men don't have to take responsibility for their behaviour.
Basically what you imply is that if women don't want to be raped, all they have to do is not leave the house, and not look attractive, and not have access to the freedoms that we associate with a modern civilised society.
To men's credit, they indeed have remarkable self-control -- which is why rape isn't an epidemic in society.
OTOH, women are over-sexualized in western societies, thanks largely to the mass media (TV, movies, magazines) that encourage and push women to exploit their sexuality for self-gain from men.
Traditionally, women were far more attuned (and much wiser) to the distinctive natures of the sexes. They were more aware of this balance that had to be maintained by modest appearance and behavior on their part. Female sexuality is a very real, potent thing -- if recklessly displayed, it would disturb relations with men and provoke them (men) into aggressive, sexual violence.
Today, with feminist laws backed by deadly force (i.e., the police), western women are permitted and encouraged to disrupt this balance for self-gain. It is because women have too many freedoms in this modern civilized society that they are effectively permitted to behave irresponsibly with near impunity.
With increased freedoms comes increased personal risk -- this is the high price women must accept. The analogy of the unlocked car stands.
This post has been edited by korean_man: Mar 22 2009, 01:09 AM
i am not a feminist - just a girl with opinions who also respects your opinions.