Minahasan Topic, What do you know about the Minahasan? Options

[jason76]

Just like the Batak topic....



Please share your information and post pictures too!.

Please no negative information.

Thanks

[Majapahitans]

They're really good in cooking fish and seafood....

[jokotarub]

They are quite attached to their religion. Well of course most are Christians of one denomination or another and therefore devout Christians, but those converted to another religion show similar zeal to their new religion in degrees that I think uncommon in other ethnicities, although it doesn't seem to weaken their liking of parties and social occasions.
Marriage to Minahasans is somewhat common in my extended family while I live in multiethnic setting of big cities so I think I have here a somewhat solid observation

[Grandmaster C]

never heard of it.

[Bhaskara]

- Could easily mistaken with Chinese, well not all of them, but yeah, it's a common thing to mistaken them with Chinese-Indonesians.

- Just like the Bataks, they have a very interesting diet compared to other Indonesians (dog meat, cat meat, bat meat, etc).

- Hot babes!

[singapak2]

Minahasan ethnic...

i heard they have slanted eyes like the chinese.
the word Minahasan looked like Minangkabau..

dont know which part of indonesia they are from..

can show me some actresses who are Minahasan?

[Majapahitans]

can show me some actresses who are Minahasan?

That's Furan's jurisdictions.....
She's the queen of Indonesian entertainment industry......

Btw, Manado good food spot: Warung Kak Paula, a tent restaurant in front of Arcadia Hotel, Jl Kyai Haji Wahid Hasyim, beyond Sarinah Thamrin, Jakarta.
Reporters (especially from sport section) from my office frequently visit this warung.

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Jul 24 2007, 10:38 AM

[jokotarub]

^^because of the food or because of Kak Paula?

[XxRyoChanxX]

wow a minahasan thread.


I myself is a minahasan or manadonese...

I would say we're family oriented, we like to socialize (party)

alot of the older minahasan still speaks dutch

umm what else, we love spicy food

This post has been edited by XxRyoChanxX: Jul 24 2007, 03:01 PM

[Majapahitans]

^^because of the food or because of Kak Paula?

Both.....
Kak Paula is very friendly and nice lady btw....

Oh yeah for muslim don't worry about the food, this warung only focused on serving seafood like various fish and squid...., which is halal.
In the past she serve non-halal foodstuff too like pork and even bats (paniki), but since majority of her customer is muslim, she didn't serve that anymore (which is enfuriates my catholic and christian friends who loves bat and pork..... ).

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Jul 25 2007, 05:58 AM

[rasibiduk]

Both.....
Kak Paula is very friendly and nice lady btw....

Oh yeah for muslim don't worry about the food, this warung only focused on serving seafood like various fish and squid...., which is halal.
In the past she serve non-halal foodstuff too like pork and even bats (paniki), but since majority of her customer is muslim, she didn't serve that anymore (which is enfuriates my catholic and christian friends who loves bat and pork..... ).

Are you sure bat is not halal? This is news to me. Cause I did eat paniki in a Menado warung in Panglima Polim and thought the meat was just okay.

[anakjakarta84]

the word Minahasan looked like Minangkabau..

Yeah, I used to mix them up.

umm what else, we love spicy food

AYAM RICA RICA!!!!

Both.....
Kak Paula is very friendly and nice lady btw....

Oh yeah for muslim don't worry about the food, this warung only focused on serving seafood like various fish and squid...., which is halal.
In the past she serve non-halal foodstuff too like pork and even bats (paniki), but since majority of her customer is muslim, she didn't serve that anymore (which is enfuriates my catholic and christian friends who loves bat and pork..... ).

Bat not halal?? Damn it, I forgot the list of non-halal food....!!!!!!!!!!

-One thing I know is they say kadera for chair just like in Makassarese and and they sound like Makassarese when they speak Indonesian with their accent.
-Although it's true that they usually have light skin, I know several dark-skinned Minahasan.

Question, are the Gorontalo people also Minahasan or are they two different groups. I know there's the religion difference, but does the term Minahasan still covers both people?

[XxRyoChanxX]

History of Minahasa/manado

The Dutch helped unite the linguistically diverse Minahasa confederacy, and in 1693 the Minahasa scored a decisive military victory against the Bolaang to the south. The Dutch influence flourished as the Minahasans embraced the European goods and Christian religion. Missionary schools in Manado in 1881 were among the first attempts at mass education in Indonesia, giving their graduates a considerable edge in gaining civil service, military and other positions of influence.

At 95 per cent of the population, the Minahasa Regency has one of highest proportions of Christian in Indonesia. It has the highest density of church buildings in Indonesia, with approximately one church for every 100m road.[citation needed] This is due to a successful missionary campaign by the Christian church in Northern Sulawesi.

The Portuguese left reminders of their presence in the north in subtle ways. Portuguese surnames and various Portuguese words not found elsewhere in Indonesia, like garrida for an enticing woman and buraco for a bad man, can still be found in Minahasa


The Minahasans fought alongside the Dutch to subdue rebellions in other parts of the archipelago, notably in the Java War of 1825-30. They seemed to gain a special role in the Dutch scheme of things and their loyalty to the Dutch as soldiers, their Christian religion and their geographic isolation from the rest of Indonesia all led to a sense of being 'different' from the other ethnic groups of the archipelago.

This post has been edited by XxRyoChanxX: Jul 25 2007, 08:14 PM

[DF78]

I don't know much about Minahasan / Manado but I do know that Minahasan / Manado women are beautiful especially the one I met here in NYC Oh & I love their food too

This post has been edited by DF78: Jul 26 2007, 02:50 PM

[Bhaskara]

Hahaha, I guess that's what separate Indonesian Muslims from ell other kind of Muslims all over the world: they don't even know what kind of food is not halal. Well, a little bit of info for you, my friends. Bat has fangs, and any animal that has fangs are not halal. Conclusion: bat is not halal.

[Majapahitans]

History of Minahasa/manado

The Dutch helped unite the linguistically diverse Minahasa confederacy, and in 1693 the Minahasa scored a decisive military victory against the Bolaang to the south. The Dutch influence flourished as the Minahasans embraced the European goods and Christian religion. Missionary schools in Manado in 1881 were among the first attempts at mass education in Indonesia, giving their graduates a considerable edge in gaining civil service, military and other positions of influence.

At 95 per cent of the population, the Minahasa Regency has one of highest proportions of Christian in Indonesia. It has the highest density of church buildings in Indonesia, with approximately one church for every 100m road.[citation needed] This is due to a successful missionary campaign by the Christian church in Northern Sulawesi.

The Portuguese left reminders of their presence in the north in subtle ways. Portuguese surnames and various Portuguese words not found elsewhere in Indonesia, like garrida for an enticing woman and buraco for a bad man, can still be found in Minahasa
The Minahasans fought alongside the Dutch to subdue rebellions in other parts of the archipelago, notably in the Java War of 1825-30. They seemed to gain a special role in the Dutch scheme of things and their loyalty to the Dutch as soldiers, their Christian religion and their geographic isolation from the rest of Indonesia all led to a sense of being 'different' from the other ethnic groups of the archipelago.

Do you know about Bohusami union that stands for:
Boolang Mogondow
Hulontallo (Gorontalo)
Sangihe Talaud
Minahasa

I believe this ethnics groups share common ancestors, brotherhood of North Sulawesi people.

Oh yeah I heard about this "special" relationship between Minahasans and Dutch.
Probably because the willingness of Minahasans to convert to Christianity, while in other ethnics case, they are still retain and resist being Christened, coz they're already embrace Islam like Acehnese, Minangkabau, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, Makassar, Buginese, and Northern Molluccans (Ternate), or Balinese whom stick to Hinduism and resist Islamization nor Christian proselytizing.
Even there's opinion that Minahasan (Menadonese) and Ambonese (Southern Moluccans) whom are christian majority are "Dutch Pet".... since lots of KNIL personnel are came from these ethnics groups.

[claudia]

They called the Dutch dogs , I'm not sure why but I think maybe because they excepted the Dutch colonialsm while the other provinces/ethnics do not want to have a bother of them.

[jokotarub]

Question, are the Gorontalo people also Minahasan or are they two different groups. I know there's the religion difference, but does the term Minahasan still covers both people?

No. Although physically the two are most similar among the four ethnic groups below, no one would have anyone lumped it with another. There is also a long-standing rivalry between the two ethnic groups which is among the reasons leading to the separation of the North Sulawesi province.

Do you know about Bohusami union that stands for:
Boolang Mogondow
Hulontallo (Gorontalo)
Sangihe Talaud
Minahasa

I believe this ethnics groups share common ancestors, brotherhood of North Sulawesi people.

I don't think so. Those Sanger people (from Sangihe Talaud) is probably closer to Moluccans, considering their physical apearance. But that union is indeed common outside northern Sulawesi. The bond is probably tighter once they live far away from home.

Even there's opinion that Minahasan (Menadonese) and Ambonese (Southern Moluccans) whom are christian majority are "Dutch Pet".... since lots of KNIL personnel are came from these ethnics groups.

Funny that it's often overlooked that many Javanese and Madurese also served in KNIL. Marechausse of the Aceh conquest was said to have Javanese footsoldiers in droves.

[XxRyoChanxX]

Even there's opinion that Minahasan (Menadonese) and Ambonese (Southern Moluccans) whom are christian majority are "Dutch Pet".... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) since lots of KNIL personnel are came from these ethnics groups.

if i'm not mistaken I think my great grandfather served for the dutch...
I have to ask my dad again to confirm this

[XxRyoChanxX]

more about "The history of minahasa"

The Japanese occupation of 1942-45 was a period of deprivation, and the allies bombed Manado heavily in 1945. During the war of independence that followed, there was bitter division between pro-Indonesian Unitarians and those favoring Dutch-sponsored federalism. The appointment of a Manadonese Christian, Sam Ratulangi, as the first republican governor of eastern Indonesia, was decisive in winning Minahasan support for the republic.

As the young republic lurched from crisis to crisis, Jakarta's monopoly over the copra trade seriously weakened Minahasa's economy. Illegal exports flourished and in June 1956 Jakarta ordered the closure of Manado port, the busiest smuggling port in the republic. Local leaders refused and Jakarta backed down. Soon the Permesta rebels confronted the central government with demands for political, economic and regional reform. Jakarta responded in Manado by bombing the city in February 1958, and then invading in June 1958.

The Minahasan sense of being different quickly became a problem for the central government after independence. As in Sumatra there was a general feeling that the central government was inefficient, development was stagnating and money was being plugged into Java. Circumstances favored the spread of communism.

In March 1957 the military leaders of both southern and northern Sulawesi launched a confrontation with the central government, with demands for greater regional autonomy. They demanded more local development, a fairer share of revenue, help in suppressing the Kahar Muzakar rebellion in Southern Sulawesi, and a cabinet of the central government led jointly by Soekarno and Hatta. At least initially the 'Permesta' (Piagam Perjuangan Semesta Alam) rebellion was a reformist rather than a separatist movement.

Negotiations between the central government and the Sulawesi military leaders prevented violence in southern Sulawesi, but the Minahasan leaders were dissatisfied with the agreements and the movement split. Inspired, perhaps, by fears of domination by the south, the Minahasan leaders declared their own autonomous state of North Sulawesi in June 1957. By this time the central government had the situation in southern Sulawesi pretty much under control but in the north they had no strong local figure to rely upon and there were rumors that the USA, suspected of supplying arms to rebels in Sumatra, was also in contact with the Minahasan leaders.

The possibility of foreign intervention finally drove the central government to seek military support from southern Sulawesi. Permesta forces were driven out of central Sulawesi, Gorontalo, the Sangir island and from Morotai in Maluku (from whose airfield the rebels had hoped to fly bombing raids on Jakarta). The rebels' few planes (supplied by the USA and flown by Filipino, Taiwanese and US pilots) were destroyed. US policy shifted, favoring Jakarta, and in June 1958 central government troops landed in Minahasa. The Permesta rebellion was finally put down in mid-1961.

The effect of both the Sumatran and Sulawesi rebellions was to strengthen exactly those trends the rebels had hoped to weaken. Central authority was enhanced at the expense of local autonomy, radical nationalism gained over pragmatic moderation, the power of the communists and Soekarno increased while that of Hatta waned, and Soekarno was able to establish guided democracy in 1959.

Recently, the Indonesian government has adopted policies to strengthen local autonomy, the very idea that Permesta fought for.