Random Thoughts 93, About time Options

[Sephy]

ugh engineers get paid so fu-king much.

in house industrial designers should get paid about the same as engineers IMO. industrial designers are basically foreman that ALSO have the job of maintaining the integrity of modern high culture...

I doubt you have a real grasp of what they do then.. the figures I gave are for Civil engineering though, other engineering professions get paid less. Civil is thought to be the top of the game in engineering. They also require an in-depth knowledge of so many topics, not just maths an physics. Many require, design, artistic, chemistry, management, business and economic skills.

I presume you'll be staying with your parents for the first couple of years after you graduate.

Well I didn't want to. I wanted to move in with the girl friend. Doesn't look good at the moment though.

[Lao_Dreamer]

[Takashi]

Well I didn't want to. I wanted to move in with the girl friend. Doesn't look good at the moment though.

If she's earning enough and doesn't mind you sponging for a bit you could pretty much straight after your degree but definitely not during. Far too expensive if you're staying in London. What does she do?

[Sephy]

Ohh wait, thought you were talking about my mum for some reason..
She is a research scientist. She lives in Canada so it's complex with the whole moving in together as it is.

I'll probably go to Southampton, Exeter or Surrey university. I want to move out of London for the next few years.

This post has been edited by Sephy: Jan 30 2009, 02:32 PM

[iMumble]

93 now? Man this shows that AF is slowing down. Usually we get a new RT every month.

[Sephy]

^ Ever seen the film 'π' pi?
That explains all.

[Takashi]

Ohh wait, thought you were talking about my mum for some reason..
She is a research scientist. She lives in Canada so it's complex with the whole moving in together as it is.

I'll probably go to Southampton, Exeter or Surrey university. I want to move out of London for the next few years.

Have you persuaded her to move over or is she trying to persuade you?

Move out as in quite far away or are we talking Welwyn Garden City distance?

[Sephy]

Have you persuaded her to move over or is she trying to persuade you?

Move out as in quite far away or are we talking Welwyn Garden City distance?

Well if I went to Surrey it would about the same distance, but don't be crazy here, nothing north of London!! Kripes nooooo! South east and west for me my dear boy.

I would like to live in Canada, she would like to live here. We are not fussed about who moves over to where, but she might have to come over here if I am going to be at university for the next few years. Problem is that getting a working visa for an non EU national is frigging hard. She pretty much has to be making $45,000 CAD a year to qualify. Tough for a graduate.

[miss_merisha]

GOOD MORNING/ AFTERNOON/ NIGHT AF!

[MichikoY]

Well if I went to Surrey it would about the same distance, but don't be crazy here, nothing north of London!! Kripes nooooo! South east and west for me my dear boy.

I would like to live in Canada, she would like to live here. We are not fussed about who moves over to where, but she might have to come over here if I am going to be at university for the next few years. Problem is that getting a working visa for an non EU national is frigging hard. She pretty much has to be making $45,000 CAD a year to qualify. Tough for a graduate.

Marry her! :P

[Takashi]

Well if I went to Surrey it would about the same distance, but don't be crazy here, nothing north of London!! Kripes nooooo! South east and west for me my dear boy.

I would like to live in Canada, she would like to live here. We are not fussed about who moves over to where, but she might have to come over here if I am going to be at university for the next few years. Problem is that getting a working visa for an non EU national is frigging hard. She pretty much has to be making $45,000 CAD a year to qualify. Tough for a graduate.

That's around £25k.......but I presume from what you're saying that's hard to reach in Canada. What's she on at the moment?

[VietSk8rGUI]

i feel better about this now

This post has been edited by VietSk8rGUI: Jan 30 2009, 09:10 PM

[ham_let]

I doubt you have a real grasp of what they do then.. the figures I gave are for Civil engineering though, other engineering professions get paid less. Civil is thought to be the top of the game in engineering. They also require an in-depth knowledge of so many topics, not just maths an physics. Many require, design, artistic, chemistry, management, business and economic skills.
Well I didn't want to. I wanted to move in with the girl friend. Doesn't look good at the moment though.

Engineering (students) aren't that big on civil for the very reason that civil is basically all over the place. Half of what they do ISN'T engineering. They work with municipal/provincial gov'ts so a lot of what they do has to do with law and management etc etc etc.

On the contrary I doubt you have a real grasp of what industrial design is. IMO industrial design's closest relative is civil engineering, NOT architecture, NOT fine arts. We don't need chemistry (unless you're doing weird one-offs that use cool science doo-hickeys but I'd probably ask for help from a chem engineer anyway) but yea, LOTS of artistic skill matched with skill in physics, math, economics, marketing, and law (but usually only laws related to patenting...)

Industrial design is so weird because depending on the university it can be BEng BID BDes or BFA. That's only because there's so much breadth that there really is no place to put the program. (Hence why it's BID in my university... kind of removes the guesswork, although in the end everyone assumes you studied Interior Design)

I'm pretty sure once once I graduate I'll need to work two jobs even though I honestly think industrial design is one of the most important fields on earth. It's kind of weird. Arcchitects get paid $hit because there are so many of them and so little buildings. The same can't exactly be said about industrial designers. How many THINGS are on your desk? Who designed your computer? The calculator next to you that you bought at the dollar store? The bus shelter you stand under when going to work...

This post has been edited by ham_let: Jan 30 2009, 06:24 PM

[Sephy]

That's around £25k.......but I presume from what you're saying that's hard to reach in Canada. What's she on at the moment?

She makes $35,000 a year. May only be about £19,000 but cost of living is lower and she lives in Halifax. Not a major city, so even cheaper.

If she comes over she can be my sugar mummy.

Marry her! :P

It cost £500, and she can't work for the first year.

[Chillin]

The Master said, "I wish I didn't have to speak anymore. Heaven, high above the living, doesn't speak. It just does."

Duke Of Song laughed at Confucius and said, "I doubt you have a real grasp of what Heaven is. Furthermore, I doubt you have a real grasp of what civil.....virtues are. I run a state, not a bookstore."

The Master spoke, saying, "If the rites aren't performed properly and the people are misguided, how can you claim to have a real grasp of your state? People are not vessels of jade."

[Sephy]

Engineering (students) aren't that big on civil for the very reason that civil is basically all over the place. Half of what they do ISN'T engineering. They work with municipal/provincial gov'ts so a lot of what they do has to do with law and management etc etc etc.

On the contrary I doubt you have a real grasp of what industrial design is. IMO industrial design's closest relative is civil engineering, NOT architecture, NOT fine arts. We don't need chemistry (unless you're doing weird one-offs that use cool science doo-hickeys but I'd probably ask for help from a chem engineer anyway) but yea, LOTS of artistic skill matched with skill in physics, math, economics, marketing, and law (but usually only laws related to patenting...)

Industrial design is so weird because depending on the university it can be BEng BID BDes or BFA. That's only because there's so much breadth that there really is no place to put the program. (Hence why it's BID in my university... kind of removes the guesswork, although in the end everyone assumes you studied Interior Design)

I'm pretty sure once once I graduate I'll need to work two jobs even though I honestly think industrial design is one of the most important fields on earth. It's kind of weird. Arcchitects get paid $hit because there are so many of them and so little buildings. The same can't exactly be said about industrial designers. How many THINGS are on your desk? Who designed your computer? The calculator next to you that you bought at the dollar store? The bus shelter you stand under when going to work...

Those are very lovely opinions.

[ham_let]

Those are very lovely opinions.

Indeed. You have no idea how frustrating it can be to realize that you're goiing to be poor your entire life for no real reason except because 99% of things on earth look ugly or have terrible usability and you think that it shouldn't have to be that way. It makes you a very bitter (and pompous) person.

I should maybe get my masters in human factors engineering though... it'd certainly help

This post has been edited by ham_let: Jan 30 2009, 08:04 PM

[felltohell]

he's totally unfair

[Dante]

Indeed. You have no idea how frustrating it can be to realize that you're goiing to be poor your entire life for no real reason except because 99% of things on earth look ugly or have terrible usability and you think that it shouldn't have to be that way. It makes you a very bitter (and pompous) person.

I should maybe get my masters in human factors engineering though... it'd certainly help

i'm sure industrial designers can make pretty good money

[ham_let]

i'm sure industrial designers can make pretty good money

If you're a design director... $150K around. You can get that high up the ladder when you're like... 50. Or you could start your own atelier and get get noticed somehow. That's kind of what I want to do... it's so hard to break into the business though because there are always new "up and coming" designers in every mmagazine and then a year later they disappear because they've run out of hype. That and it's a big investment... if everything goes to $hit then you're screwed. There's no security... you can get benefits as an in-house designer but you get paid so crappishly.

An engineer can make six figures easy with maybe 10 years experience. I'm not hating that hard, there's a reason engineers get paid the way they do, but when you compare the two careers it's like, where did all the money in between go? Lol...

I think I might need to get my masters but it all depends on how much is left in the coffers by the time 4 years of uni are done. I want a jumpstart when I get into the industry because I don't want to have to work at some $hit job just to finance an intership where I can do more interesting form exploration and $hit...