Eisenhower on Formosa, just want to point out something to the decendents of the "49ners Options

[badparticle]

The Chinese Communist, the Taiwanese and the Amerian all like you very much, but you need to figure out what's best for you and where your land is.


http://api.ning.com/files/N7n-9llSeuzLURuh...E2j3AOJ/811.PNG
“As far as the Formosa question is concerned, I wish it were as simple as drawing a line and saying in effect, “this far and no further.” I assure you there are a thousand and one complicated factors that prevent such an easy solution. I mention only one; It is of the utmost importance that we maintain, so far as possible, the morale of the Chinese Nationals, both military and civilian.” - Eisenhower




This post has been edited by badparticle: Sep 9 2011, 12:08 AM

[badparticle]

The Taiwanese aren't going to force you to do anything you don't want, but the dead General wouldn't like it this way for too long either. Still, take your time. Think about it.

(Sorry if the picture is a bit creepy)

[HotdogLotion]

You lowly DPPers are just mad that 49ers, being a small minority in population size, still have so much power in Taiwanese politics.....The dead general still gets more respect than your lowly President Chen who is good at nothing but stealing from the state. Now go piss off as much as you like.....We 49ers are here to stay and to play.....LOL

This post has been edited by HotdogLotion: Sep 9 2011, 01:36 AM

[badparticle]

.....We 49ers are here to stay and to play.....LOL

You can certainly stay and play for as long as the American and the Chinese Communist want you to. Taiwanese don't mind your presence and your attitude as long as you don't disrupt how things work on this island.

I added this picture for you personally, since you said you are a Manchu. Think about what's really important. Why and who brought your dad to Taiwan anyway.


This post has been edited by badparticle: Sep 9 2011, 02:42 AM

[HotdogLotion]

You can certainly stay and play for as long as the American and the Chinese Communist want you to. Taiwanese don't mind your presence and your attitude as long as you don't disrupt how things work on this island.

It's not that your kind dont mind. It's that, after 400 years, your kind are still as powerless as your peasant ancestors....lol

I added this picture for you personally, since you said you are a Manchu. Think about what's really important. Why and who brought your dad to Taiwan anyway.

Since you dont like China very much, don't steal images from Chinese sites without their approval. Otherwise pics you stolen from Chinese sites are likely to be invisible to others....lol

This post has been edited by HotdogLotion: Sep 9 2011, 03:20 AM

[badparticle]

It's not that your kind dont mind. It's that, after 400 years, your kind are still as powerless as your peasant ancestors....lol


Since you dont like China very much, don't steal images from Chinese sites without their approval. Otherwise pics you stolen from Chinese sites are likely to be invisible to others....lol

As much as Taiwanese like China and the Chinese, we are not them and therefore we don't think like them and we don't feel like them. We relate to the Chinese (the real Chinese) the same way we relate to the Singaporean and the Japanese. When the Chinese and the Singaporean come visit Taiwan they know, instinctively, that they're in foreign land. The feelings are mutual.

49ners..
We can try to empathize with the 49ners at best, and know how reluctant your grandfathers were to come live in Taiwan. We can image your fathers grew up 2nd-gen feeling awkward at times. I guess that's just a less-than-ideal consequence of being a nomadic clan... your solidarity is based on lineage and a strong man, not physical land.



This post has been edited by badparticle: Sep 9 2011, 11:25 AM

[progen]

It is useless to argue with Badpacticle.

In the hearts of hearts, he knows that his ancestors and him are Chinese by blood, not to mention culturally and lingustically.

His comment: "We relate to the Chinese (the real Chinese) the same way we relate to the Singaporean and the Japanese. " is just impossible to understand.

I bet he is a schizophrenia with his impossible logic.

[badparticle]

It is useless to argue with Badpacticle.

ancestors ....blood...

nope you're not getting any argument about your "blood" from a non-Chinese, since it is the essence of the Chinese belief system. You can keep it sacred and pure.

[HotdogLotion]

As much as Taiwanese like China and the Chinese, we are not them and therefore we don't think like them and we don't feel like them.

Once again you are trying to be “THE representative of Taiwanese”….. Since when you are able to sneak into every Taiwanese’ brain to check how they think, let alone 1.3 billion Chinese? LOL……

We relate to the Chinese (the real Chinese) the same way we relate to the Singaporean and the Japanese.

Denying the fact that China has established authorities to govern Taiwan for 300+ years out of the past 400 years is not going to help your independence clause.....And I bet you know that too….

When the Chinese and the Singaporean come visit Taiwan they know, instinctively, that they're in foreign land. The feelings are mutual.

That’s not what many mainland Chinese tourists said about their impression of Taiwan. A lot of them are feeling at home when they visit Taiwan per reports by Taiwanese newspapers..

49ners..
We can try to empathize with the 49ners at best, and know how reluctant your grandfathers were to come live in Taiwan. We can image your fathers grew up 2nd-gen feeling awkward at times.

Empathy? We need that from your kind? How come I don’t know that? All I know is that many of you Holok people who support the DPP and the independence clause have serious inferior complex in front of 49ers….
But the KMT-built society is quite fair to all ethnicities in Taiwan. It’s not that difficult to move up the social ladder in Taiwan if you study harder and work harder regardless your ethnicity….

I guess that's just a less-than-ideal consequence of being a nomadic clan... your solidarity is based on lineage and a strong man, not physical land.

Manchus were nomadic clan?????? LOL…..No wonder why Holok Chauvinists like your kind who spent hundreds of years living alongside with Taiwanese aboriginals still call them “Savage”(番仔 aka Huan-na )…..B/C your kind never even tried to understand anyone who is not a Holok….. LOL…

This post has been edited by HotdogLotion: Sep 9 2011, 06:52 PM

[badparticle]

..A lot of them are feeling at home when they visit Taiwan...

There. You're welcome to stay and make yourself at home.

Like I said, Taiwanese like the Chinese. It's just that some of you get really mad when we point out that we're not you. But some of you seem to take it as an insult, which I cannot fully understand. Perhaps some part of the host-guest relation is misunderstood??

[progen]

nope you're not getting any argument about your "blood" from a non-Chinese, since it is the essence of the Chinese belief system. You can keep it sacred and pure.

What?.....

I am afraid that only badparticle can understand what he is saying.

Unless you are aborginal, your ancestor went to Taiwan from China 300 years ago to govern Taiwan.

This post has been edited by progen: Sep 10 2011, 11:04 AM

[HotdogLotion]

There. You're welcome to stay and make yourself at home.

You don't qualify to say you're welcome to stay b/c you are no more of a host than us 49ers. That's a fact whether u like it or not.....

Like I said, Taiwanese like the Chinese. It's just that some of you get really mad when we point out that we're not you. But some of you seem to take it as an insult, which I cannot fully understand. Perhaps some part of the host-guest relation is misunderstood??

Hell no....Since when we 49ers ever considered "your kind" to be like us....? Hahahaha........
But well......if hallucination can cure you people's inferior complex, then be my guest.
You people certainly can imagine things anyway you like.
We 49ers are people of tolerance and won't be offended.