As U.S. Looks Toward Asia, It Sees China Everywhere, From NYT Options

[richasiankid]

Sounds serious.

Subtitle: headline says all.

[ocrapdm]

Not only in Asia, but in Australia and Africa as well.

Sooner or later, even Europe's gonna be within the Chinese sphere of influence - at least Eastern Europe.

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USA should not try to INTERFERE and MEDDLE with Asian affairs. It's already the superpower when it comes to Europe and the Americas. It's greediness in trying to wrest control of Middle East from the Arabs already got in into a deep $h!thole. It should let Asia and China develop on its own without their meddling.

American imperialism at its finest.

[orange peel]

er the article isn't exactly painting a rosy picture for Chinese development.

[Hugham]

We can play the same tactic as US did to SE Asia, if we want.

Actually so far China is a very kind country to the West bloc.

We have a lot of opportunities we can use, if we want to.


SE Asia has many dispute and unsolved problem, that China can use, for example:

China can team up with SE Asia to rise an issue, pressure and reclaim stolen millions of artifacts and tons of gold by Japanese during WW2. (the naughty Japanese need a hard lesson this time)

China can use TPP as an attempt by US to flooding SE Asia market with US products (Coca-cola to Windows), and make stories about unsuccessful SE Asia products in US market.

China can make story about unbalance trade between US and SE Asia, where in their report, US never include financial sector in their export-import, that hugely robbing SE Asia wealth.

China can accuse the well-known US protectionism over the agricultural product, and became a strong back up and partner to pressurize US to forcefully open US agriculture market to other third world countries. And make unrealistic US agricultural import regulation as an attempt for protectionism.

China can bold the China-SE Asia economy alliance and protectionism against US economic aggression and selfishness like those in 1997 and late 2008.

China give a military think tank, for not over heavily dependable on US. But instead to diverse their military equipments including Russia and China, to avoid heavy damage by uncertain US embargo in the future.

For some Buddhist countries, we can build a Buddhist alliance, the same with Islam in MENA and Christianity in Europe.

China can rise an issue and spread fear for over 1000 US military bases build up around the world, as a suspicious act to conquer the world under military regime.

China can spread fear over US military spending and power, to rise an issue that unchallenged and unchecked US military grown as a world biggest threat. It's should not China nor Russia alone to counter it, but the rest of the world should together counter unchecked US military.

China can rise an issue to about the bribing in journalism world by US propaganda, rise an issue about the danger of controlled journalism by foreign country, campaigning about how importance a free independent unbiased local press and build an organization to watch any foreign country attempt to sabotage and control press around the world.

China, together with many countries around the world can also build international standard free from the biased West bloc, like how the West love to increase their own goodness and give low rank to other country who seen as the enemy of the West. Like for example in the corruption index, noble peace prize, etc.

China can also self-volunteer to reveal any US attempt to manipulate and control any political party or importance politics figure in certain country.

etc.


Has someone have another ideas?

This post has been edited by Hugham: Nov 16 2011, 12:11 AM

[ba-b4]

China was too aggressive recently. SE Asia is afraid of China's ambitions and too many who are afraid of any kind of change in the status quo. Western media also looks to have done a great job in demonizing China to everyone as well. Even if by some miracle China is able to get some kind of edge against the rest of the world militarily and strategically, they'll still be seen as the evil communist regime. If China is smart it'll back down from all these territorial disputes and lay low for a while until it's more mature and developed socially and militarily. They've showed their teeth way too early in the big game. Now everyone is spooked on edge and ready to make plans against China.

[TheWhiteDevil]

China was too aggressive recently. SE Asia is afraid of China's ambitions and too many who are afraid of any kind of change in the status quo. Western media also looks to have done a great job in demonizing China to everyone as well. Even if by some miracle China is able to get some kind of edge against the rest of the world militarily and strategically, they'll still be seen as the evil communist regime. If China is smart it'll back down from all these territorial disputes and lay low for a while until it's more mature and developed socially and militarily. They've showed their teeth way too early in the big game. Now everyone is spooked on edge and ready to make plans against China.

Mhm smart post. I believe China has started to understand this (The article even points to this) and they are now realizing that they are going to be isolated in South East asia... unless they change diplomacy. The only reason America is so successful right now is because multiple countries are afraid of Chinese expansion. Proper diplomacy could go a long way.

They need to find new proper allies as China will realize it can't do this by itself.

[Hugham]

In my opinion, China is too passive.

What actual happen is, China is under attack.

China defense stand being accused as aggressive act.

Can you imagine if foreign country enter your border and trying to milking your natural resources, when you do protest, you are being labeled as aggressive?

Passive is where all the enemy use the opportunity to gain advantages over you.


Being aggressive in smart way, like I explained above, is the key of success.

Influence expansionism, by creating allies and friends.

Everything is started by rising an issue first.....

This post has been edited by Hugham: Nov 16 2011, 12:08 AM

[Hugham]

Chinese will never rule anyone, there are too much southern genes in chinese....even the southerners don't want to be ruled by the people that look like them, what even worst is the mixture of northerners and southerners sometimes worst than southerner, that's why even the southeast asian bash and ridicule chinese/china while whorsipping korean and japanese.

not mean to be racist but, unfortunately in reality the population's look determine their soft power over others.

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So you mean SE Asia want to be ruled by the European? Something that doesn't look like as SE Asian?

Then you probably never learn history about European colonization in SE Asia.

This post has been edited by Hugham: Nov 16 2011, 12:17 AM

[Boron]

Chinese strategy now is to minimize confrontation and keep the economic doors open. Yeah it can try to go for a propaganda war in SEA, but even if China turned SEA against USA, there are limited gains it can make there, while it has to sacrifice a lot of policy freedom for the propaganda to actually work. It's more profitable to keep USA overconfident while China makes real trade and investment gains. In the end, people will talk from where their rice bowl comes from.

[port19]

Carrot & sticks...carrot economic gain, sticks = military aggresion, Win win or win lose?

When you have more trade, people interests are interconnected, it is more difficult for you to goto win lose senario..

Remember those Western warships sailing to Japan & China demanding trade and open their market...

Only when you have technological edge (in military at least), thus now the role is reverse, China warship may one day sail to America to demand trade and open their market...

Look at the US is raising trade barrier & protectionism....just like what Japan did some century ago before US warship comes and blows away Tokugawa ship at seas to open it..

Japan joining TPP is also facing "pressure" at home, their farmers job would be wipe out with high currency of yen, and more imports from US to flood their market.

Japanese PM Noda, will not last 1 year...expect PM to change again...bet on it!!!

[qwerty2010]

I think an even simpler thing for China to do is to DO NOTHING. Instead of releasing economic stimulus, it should have let the financial system collapse in 2008 to really get the rest of the world to "clean house". Instead, the same Globalist Elite got richer and "badder", and China thought the G20 would be grateful....and then they turn around and bite back, China got angry, when will it learn??

China's worst enemies were collapsing around it of their own doing, and what did China do? It magnanimously tried to play the good guy.

Actually, if China hadn't stepped up its crazy stimulus in 2008, the world might have thanked China after it has rounded up its corrupt Oligarchy and jailed them. Getting rid of the rotten core would have been a great favour for everyone.

Saber-rattling is the WORST thing that China can do for now - in truth, it doesn't have the stomach for war, and even small conflicts play into the hands of the cunning Elite who NEED wars to distract their populations from waking up to the NIGHTMARE of losing their shirts to Wall St.

What is the point of saber-rattling, cursing, swearing and whining that the world doesn't love you? Lay low, close your doors, curb exports, focus on bettering the lives of Chinese at home, let the world miss you, then they will realize that they do need you.

I'm sorry, but China should have been a much better "chess player" than this during the last 危机, tried to stop 危, but lost the 机, and now the recovered Global Elite is surrounding "围" China...China should have been more strategic, I mean, they invented Wei Qi 围棋or Go.......

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Nov 16 2011, 10:13 AM

[port19]

Noda says Japan may not join TPP talks if national interests damaged
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/201111...0dm133000c.html

The wheel is now turning in Japan for Noda...he will not last. He is a stooge setup by Washington to promote US interest. At US behest, Japanese interests such as Okinawa US military bases, farm industry, medical, health all will be sacrifice to Washington play to gain more influence in Pacific. Basically, Noda's head is being step on to get back at China. I don't think US really care for Noda or Japan and being make used again & again to play on Japan fear. Calculus being set who can replace Noda now...

[Hugham]

Actually China already did the right thing in the past.

But US change their foreign policy to directly threatening China.

Not all are supporting US, and not all are look like what US media said.

But we can't just sit and do nothing.

[devils666]

The best thing for China to do is fight fire with water. China needs to up the "Charm offensive". Up the "soft power". China needs more charismatic leaders like Obama (Obama is nothing more than a puppet anyway) - perhaps an attractive woman or Tibetan. China needs to invest in movies, TV, music, and other media.

China needs to develop more friendships and unity with fellow Asians and other non-Whites. This can be accomplished by simply making friends with someone of a different ethnicity. Chinese people need to expand their relationships with others. Make some SEA, black, or hispanic friends. Join other people of color and their causes/groups. Soft power can start with YOU.

Most importantly, don't bad-mouth the people you want as allies and don't act cocky about China.

This post has been edited by devils666: Nov 16 2011, 12:07 PM

[Yerroperil]

The best thing for China to do is fight fire with water. China needs to up the "Charm offensive". Up the "soft power". China needs more charismatic leaders like Obama (Obama is nothing more than a puppet anyway) - perhaps an attractive woman or Tibetan. China needs to invest in movies, TV, music, and other media.

China needs to develop more friendships and unity with fellow Asians and other non-Whites. This can be accomplished by simply making friends with someone of a different ethnicity. Chinese people need to expand their relationships with others. Make some SEA, black, or hispanic friends. Join other people of color and their causes/groups. Soft power can start with YOU.

Most importantly, don't bad-mouth the people you want as allies and don't act cocky about China.

An attractive women,what is she going to do flash? Even if it was Tibetan I'm pretty sure it won't appease the Uighurs or anyone else lol someone with 57 ethnicities blood? What is China going to develop the a Neo Greater East Asia(World) Co-Prosperity Sphere,SEA(same with East Asian countries) thinks China's going to invade them,Chinese are already dealing with Africans only that Chinese think they are too lazy so they send their own workers(which doesn't help the populace only the dictators),maybe Latin America is truly the path to develop friendship some of them have bad history with U.S. People are xenophobic and arrogant that's people have the idea of us and them and civilized and barbarian which also exists in China to some extent.

[devils666]

An attractive women,what is she going to do flash? Even if it was Tibetan I'm pretty sure it won't appease the Uighurs or anyone else lol someone with 57 ethnicities blood? What is China going to develop the a Neo Greater East Asia(World) Co-Prosperity Sphere,SEA(same with East Asian countries) thinks China's going to invade them,Chinese are already dealing with Africans only that Chinese think they are too lazy so they send their own workers(which doesn't help the populace only the dictators),maybe Latin America is truly the path to develop friendship some of them have bad history with U.S. People are xenophobic and arrogant that's people have the idea of us and them and civilized and barbarian which also exists in China to some extent.

This is why China sucks at soft power - they don't understand how it works. It's all about image and playing on emotion. You need to put aside past history or prejudices and look at the bigger picture. Look at America and their soft power monopoly. Look at how Obama has charmed everyone. Hollywood movies strike emotions but also subtley brainwash people.

Everyone roots for the underdog - China needs to show the world that they are truly the underdogs deserving to win.

[AnybodyKiller]

Rainbow Coalition

There was a strong "black and brown" interest coalition in the Bay Area. I don't know how strong it is now because false media instigation between these two communities have manifested into real tension, especially in Southern California.

In global politics, politicians are going to choose sides with what benefits their interests, we need to make it so politicians choose for the people's best interests.

People in damn near every country are mad about Imperialism, we need to organize these people and get them to spread the message also. Especially in America, if the people are educated about Imperialism and organize against it, we can stop another war we didn't approve of.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Nov 16 2011, 12:44 PM

[devils666]

Rainbow Coalition

There was a strong "black and brown" interest coalition in the Bay Area. I don't know how strong it is now because false media instigation between these two communities have manifested into real tension, especially in Southern California.

In global politics, politicians are going to choose sides with what benefits their interests, we need to make it so politicians choose for the people's best interests.

People in damn near every country are mad about Imperialism, we need to organize these people and get them to spread the message also. Especially in America, if the people are educated about Imperialism and organize against it, we can stop another war we didn't approve of.

It's the old Divide and Conquer. Everytime people of color are uniting, the Elites break it up. In the case of the "Rainbow Coalition" I question their motives since it included Joos. Like during the LA riots where they tried to make it a Black vs. Asian thing. When really it was because Rodney King was beaten up by a White cop.

There was global "rainbow" coalition in 1955 called the Bandung Conference:

"The despised, the insulted, the hurt, the dispossessed—in short, the underdogs of the human race were meeting. Here were class and racial and religious consciousness on a global scale. Who had thought of organizing such a meeting? And what had these nations in common? Nothing, it seemed to me, but what their past relationship to the Western world had made them feel. This meeting of the rejected was in itself a kind of judgment upon the Western world!"

Richard Wright's The Color Curtain [University Press of Mississippi, 1994], originally published in 1956, chronicles the Bandung Conference of April 18-25, 1955. The gathering of leaders of 29 African and Asian nations considered how they could help one another in achieving social and economic well-being for their large and impoverished populations. Their agenda addressed race, religion, colonialism, national sovereignty, and the promotion of world peace. Despite the pragmatic premise for such a meeting, it would take on monumental importance for the shaping of future Cold War and identity politics, bearing important lessons for political struggle today.

Bandung was sponsored by the Asian nationalist leadership of Indonesia, Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), Burma (now Myanmar), and the Philippines. The foremost figure of these nations was Ahmed Sukarno, president of Indonesia, who from Wright's description clearly ruled over a police state, however strident his anti-imperialist rhetoric. The prominent personalities were Jawaharlal Nehru, prime minister of India, Kwame Nkrumah, prime minister of the Gold Coast (later Ghana), Gamal Abdel Nasser, president of Egypt, Chou En Lai, premier of China, Ho Chi Minh, prime minister of Vietnam, and Congressman Adam Clayton Powell of Harlem, USA. Lesser-known representatives of Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Syria, Japan, the Philippines and others would make interesting contributions.

The strategy of militant Afro-Asian states was to strengthen their independence from Western imperialism while keeping the Soviet bloc at a comfortable distance. This strategic bloc, which was supposed to be independent from the superpowers, was the beginning of what came to be known as the "non-aligned" movement and the "Third World."

This post has been edited by devils666: Nov 16 2011, 01:01 PM

[AnybodyKiller]

We must have the courage to take nationalists to task. We must not allow bourgeois nationalist "people of color" to define the national liberation struggle as authoritarian, undemocratic, statist, homophobic, sexist, or "scientifically" racist. We must ignore hypocritical "Sounds of Blackness" and march to the beat of our own drum. -Lessons Of The Bandung Conference

I've heard this before somewhere...

EDIT: Maybe not in exact words but I'm pretty sure it was in one of Huey Newton's books.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Nov 16 2011, 01:31 PM

[richasiankid]

I thank all posters for responding to this thread.

Foreign policy side-point - and as I'm so sure some would call me white-lackey, let me post this from Rich Spencer (who runs this site and who in my opinion commands respect if for no other reason and for precisely the reason he unapologetically advances the interests for Americans whites) on RT:

Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jslxaGmtG7I

It may be dangerous to be America's enemy. It may be even more dangerous to be America's friend.