Jane-Finch area, North Winnipeg, Regent Park, and other Canadian ghett Options

[Graham_Cracker07]

^ Actually he brought up Gary, he was just using it as an example. Saying that just because you come from a dangerous city doesn't mean you need to claim street cred. I see what he meant now, but at first I interpreted it as "Gary isn't a dangerous place so they don't need to claim street cred"

[UnregisteredUser]

Lol, if you say so. Driving through Buffalo in the middle of the day is still kind of eerie. That city is slowly descending into hell.

You think Buffalo is a typical American city? Ever been to places like Honolulu, most parts of San Diego and San Jose, etc.? Big cities with very low crime. Yea, they have ghettos too but probably not as dangerous as the more famous ones like the ones in South Central LA, Bayview-Hunters Point in SF, South Bronx in NYC, Southside Chicago, etc.

And, besides, last time I checked, Buffalo's homicide rate is at least average. Not exactly safe but not exactly dangerous either. The crime might be evenly spread out across neighborhoods in the city or the crime could be concentrated in just several neighborhoods in the city while the rest are safe. I don't know.

I think you also have to understand that just because a city/neighborhood looks dangerous does not necessarily mean it is actually dangerous. Crime is a very general term, and it can range from drunk driving to drug-offenses to intentional manslaughter/homicide. Different cities and different neighborhoods have different "crimes". For example, in SF, the Tenderloin is often stereotyped as a dangerous hood; for one, it has tons of homeless people and crackheads wondering the streets and also many liquors and buildings that look kind of old and run-down. Yet, many people never even bothered to check up on the statistics because they reveal that there's actually not much homicides in the Tenderloin, but most of the crime happens to be drug-related offenses (and this makes sense because the Tenderloin is drug-haven in SF) and, occasionally, muggings. So, if you stay in well-lit corners of the streets with several people and don't walk in alleys, mind your own business and don't deal in drugs, there's a very low chance that you'd get mugged or robbed. And, the chance that you would get killed is even lower.

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[UnregisteredUser]

I'm fully moving to France or the Netherlands or some $hit once uni is over with. Just you watch. North America is really starting to piss me off.

Sorry to disappoint you, but most big cities in just about every country in the world have their own shady areas too. Yes, the degree of shadiness of neighborhoods in different cities can vary intensely, from average places with 15-year-old gangsta wannabes causing trouble and claming gang sets that they don't even know where the hell came from, to drug-haven places with alot of petty pickpcketters to places that are literally warzones between rival gangs and rival races. But there is "crime", if you want to be exact about it, just about everywhere you go.

[UnregisteredUser]

South Central LA alone averages to about 259-260 homicides a year, having a population of about 650,000-750,000. Most of them are gun-related, no doubt. But LAPD actually put in work and the murders have been reducing this year.

My bad, I got the numbers a bit wrong. Actually, South Central LA averages to about 309 murders per year. This was from the years 2002-2005. And the population is about 749,000-781,000 from 2002-2005.

But, like I said again, the LAPD and the LASD is actually putting in work and the murders have been reducing for this year. Compton's homicide rate used to be 67.1 murders per 100,000 in 2005. But because the LASD deployed double the amount of patrolling officers in Compton in 2006, the murder rate for that year dropped to about 40.4 per 100,000. Don't get me wrong, that homicide rate is still pretty high. But at least it's dropping. Same thing going on for Watts this year. Before this year, Watts probably had a homicide rate of over 100 (less than 107-109 probably) per 100,000 people. We can already tell it's dropping because there's only about 24 YTD (year-to-date; 8/26/07-9/22/07 latest statistics) homicides that occurred in LAPD Southeast Division where Watts is patrolled by while the YTD murders for 2006 for Southeast Division was 50, and 54 for YTD 2005 for Southeast Division respectively. Probably related to the combination of the gang injunction placed on the Grape Street Crips gang (arguably the most dangerous Crip gang in LA) in the Jordan Downs project and the latest security/surveillance cameras installed in the said project as well as the increasingly large number of patrol officers in the area.

This year, however, most of the killings are concentrated in places like Westmont, Athens, Florence in LAPD 77th St. Division. Also, LAPD Newton Division (same division that patrols the Pueblo Del Rio project where the Cambodians and blacks live together) seems to have increasing homicides as well, at 39 right now, more than last year's YTD 35 and 2005's YTD 34.

And I ain't even boasting or anything so don't gimme that bull$hit. I'm just correcting myself, stating the facts whenever possible.

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[ham_let]

No I wasn't agreeing that someone should have street cred. I guess I just misunderstood your original statement. I thought you were trying to say that Gary wasn't a bad place to live.

Ah, kkz.

You think Buffalo is a typical American city? Ever been to places like Honolulu, most parts of San Diego and San Jose, etc.? Big cities with very low crime.

Yes, yes and yes. Yet I do not consider any of the three to be typical American cities.

And, besides, last time I checked, Buffalo's homicide rate is at least average. Not exactly safe but not exactly dangerous either. The crime might be evenly spread out across neighborhoods in the city or the crime could be concentrated in just several neighborhoods in the city while the rest are safe. I don't know.

Mmm. That's the point I'm trying to make. Jane and Finch is about as dangerous as Buffalo, IMO. A Canadian 'ghetto' is not 'ghetto' at all. I think you're saying the same things I am.

I think you also have to understand that just because a city/neighborhood looks dangerous does not necessarily mean it is actually dangerous.

I udnerstand that. I've been to Vancouver.

Sorry to disappoint you, but most big cities in just about every country in the world have their own shady areas too. Yes, the degree of shadiness of neighborhoods in different cities can vary intensely, from average places with 15-year-old gangsta wannabes causing trouble and claming gang sets that they don't even know where the hell came from, to drug-haven places with alot of petty pickpcketters to places that are literally warzones between rival gangs and rival races. But there is "crime", if you want to be exact about it, just about everywhere you go.

I know, but the mentality is different, IMO. I think Canada used to have the same mentality, but it's gone downhill since then, as you can see from any Chuckie Akenz video. What was up with that video where a billion viets beat up ike 2 black people. What the hell is that. Thank god I've never seen that on Canadian television. Gotta look on youtube or myspace to see that nonsense. I thought a friend of mine was joking when he described the video. :/

[UnregisteredUser]

Ah, kkz.

Yes, yes and yes. Yet I do not consider any of the three to be typical American cities.

LOL. The point is that there isn't really any "typical" American cities. It would be overgeneralization and stereotyping to assume that there is a "typical" American city. There are American cities with homicide/crime rates that vary immensely. At the top, you have safe and nice cities like Honolulu while at the bottom you have murder capitals like Gary or Compton.

As a matter of fact, if you want a "typical" American city, Buffalo is not by any means a "typical" American city. Buffalo's homicide rate in 2006 was 26.4 homicides per 100,000 people. As a nation, the US's homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 5.7 homicides in 2006/latest data available. Thus, how could Buffalo be your typical American city? Cities such as New York NY or Long Beach CA make far better candidates than Buffalo.

I udnerstand that. I've been to Vancouver.

Well, you said that Buffalo is slowly descending into hell and that it was kind of eerie even though all you've done is just drive through Buffalo. What I'm saying is that even though Buffalo may look eerie/slowly descending into hell doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is. You seem to think that the average American city is terrifying and that Buffalo is a good example. You don't know if you were actually driving through a bad neighborhood or a good neighborhood in Buffalo because the crime could either be: 1. evenly distributed across the neighborhoods in the city or 2. crime unevenly distributed in just a few terrible neighborhoods. That Buffalo is not a "typical" American city is almost clear, especially looking at its homicide rate per 100,000 to be 4.6 times the U.S. national average. Far better candidates for "typical" American cities would include NYC or Long Beach, both cities with crime and homicides very unevenly distributed among their neighborhoods, ie there are neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as low as those of Iceland while there are a few neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as high as El Salvador.

I think Canada used to have the same mentality, but it's gone downhill since then, as you can see from any Chuckie Akenz video. What was up with that video where a billion viets beat up ike 2 black people. What the hell is that. Thank god I've never seen that on Canadian television. Gotta look on youtube or myspace to see that nonsense. I thought a friend of mine was joking when he described the video. :/

I think we should separate Chuckie Akenz "gangsta"-wannabe mentality from his actual "gangsta experience". Looking at it that way, Chuckie Akenz does not necessarily symbolize a Canada spiraling downward towards an era of crime and murders. Chuckie Akenz might actually just be what he is mentally - a wannabe at best. He could only do that in the music video but probably not in real life. What I'm trying to say is that Chuckie Akenz' "gangsta"-wannabe image might just be in the music world only, and not necessarily reflective of what's actually happening in Canadian society as a whole.

[i3ig_iviac]

South Africa pawns you all in shootings.

[ham_let]

LOL. The point is that there isn't really any "typical" American cities. It would be overgeneralization and stereotyping to assume that there is a "typical" American city. There are American cities with homicide/crime rates that vary immensely. At the top, you have safe and nice cities like Honolulu while at the bottom you have murder capitals like Gary or Compton.

Alright. I was never one to be scared of generalizing. That's the only way people get points across quickly and effectively.

As a matter of fact, if you want a "typical" American city, Buffalo is not by any means a "typical" American city. Buffalo's homicide rate in 2006 was 26.4 homicides per 100,000 people. As a nation, the US's homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 5.7 homicides in 2006/latest data available. Thus, how could Buffalo be your typical American city? Cities such as New York NY or Long Beach CA make far better candidates than Buffalo.
Well, you said that Buffalo is slowly descending into hell and that it was kind of eerie even though all you've done is just drive through Buffalo. What I'm saying is that even though Buffalo may look eerie/slowly descending into hell doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is. You seem to think that the average American city is terrifying and that Buffalo is a good example. You don't know if you were actually driving through a bad neighborhood or a good neighborhood in Buffalo because the crime could either be: 1. evenly distributed across the neighborhoods in the city or 2. crime unevenly distributed in just a few terrible neighborhoods. That Buffalo is not a "typical" American city is almost clear, especially looking at its homicide rate per 100,000 to be 4.6 times the U.S. national average. Far better candidates for "typical" American cities would include NYC or Long Beach, both cities with crime and homicides very unevenly distributed among their neighborhoods, ie there are neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as low as those of Iceland while there are a few neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as high as El Salvador.

I don't know. I can't look at a city and guess it's homicide rate. I've been to a lot of places in America and it seemed pretty 'typical'. Lol. 4.6 times the national average seems pretty average for a city in any country, IMO. The average is probably brought down by small towns that can't even be considered cities, so 4.6 appears to be a lot. Cities have higher crime rates.

I think we should separate Chuckie Akenz "gangsta"-wannabe mentality from his actual "gangsta experience". Looking at it that way, Chuckie Akenz does not necessarily symbolize a Canada spiraling downward towards an era of crime and murders. Chuckie Akenz might actually just be what he is mentally - a wannabe at best. He could only do that in the music video but probably not in real life. What I'm trying to say is that Chuckie Akenz' "gangsta"-wannabe image might just be in the music world only, and not necessarily reflective of what's actually happening in Canadian society as a whole.

Lol, if it doesn't happen now, it'll happen soon. Canadians are notorious for copying American culture. At least that's what Ameicans say. I think it's somewhat true.

[UnregisteredUser]

Alright. I was never one to be scared of generalizing. That's the only way people get points across quickly and effectively.

Because generalizing doesn't actually let people get their points across effectively. It only obscures the facts. Generalizing and stereotyping "typical" American cities as terrifying does no good for yourself; you'd miss out on all the good things that some American cities have to offer. Compton and Gary are not representative of America.

I don't know. I can't look at a city and guess it's homicide rate.

I got my stats from the FBI.

I've been to a lot of places in America and it seemed pretty 'typical'.

Like?

Lol. 4.6 times the national average seems pretty average for a city in any country, IMO. The average is probably brought down by small towns that can't even be considered cities, so 4.6 appears to be a lot. Cities have higher crime rates.

I'm not too sure that the average has been brought down by small towns. Look at Compton CA, a "small town"/suburb with less than 100,000 people unofficially considered to be a part of South Central LA and yet had a murder rate of 67.1 in 2005. Gary IN and Richmond CA only have populations slightly more than 100,000 and yet Gary IN averages to about 60 homicides per 100,000 a year and Richmond CA averages to about 34 homicides per 100,000 a year. Not to mention other places like East Chicago IN (suburb of about 32,000-33,000 people), Irvington NJ (61,000-62,000) and East Palo Alto CA (31,000-32,000), all of whose avg. homicide rates aren't too far off from Richmond CA's. This is not to say that all American suburbs are dangerous; as a matter of fact, there are tons of safe suburbs in America, but there's still some notoriously dangerous "suburbs"/small towns like the ones mentioned above.

LOL. You just said "4.6 times the national average seems pretty average for a city in any country." And then you say 4.6 appears to be a lot.

Lol, if it doesn't happen now, it'll happen soon. Canadians are notorious for copying American culture. At least that's what Ameicans say. I think it's somewhat true.

To be honest, I think there's much more other factors that could result in a dramatic homicide/crime increase in Canada than just simply copying American culture. Have you looked at other, far more important factors like dramatic increase in unemployment, increasing cost of basic goods, unpopular administrators, dramatic increase in gun sales and imported drugs, etc.?

And I also don't get why a dramatic increase in homicides/crime has to be attributed to "copying American culture". So you're saying that this is only exclusive to America and nowhere else? That if it happened to Canada, it was because of copying American culture? How accurate is that?

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