Be Proud To Be Call MIAO ^^;;;, OR NOT..? Options

[mIna]

Here's what I found interesting!



Kaihsu 06:35, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

August 29, 2003.

Many of you had mention Miao in this discussion, but you all missed understood and over looked the history. The word Miao did not mean cat or originated by the Chinese. however this term "Miao" invented by Hmong themselves. The term Miao which is known for centuries or to Lao, Thai, Chinese & others came from the great Kingdom of San Miao. The Kingdom of San Miao was Hmong whom had ruled large parts of China for 1,000 years, and many groups such as Lao, Thai, Chinese might have been lived under San Miao. Because these groups were ruled by San Miao for 1,000 years that why Hmong was known to Lao, Thai, Chinese and others as Miao. When these groups called "Hmong" Miao they referred to San Miao Kingdom. San Miao was a strong, powerful kingdom. Moreover, the word San Miao meant 3 Hmong Brothers whom created the San Miao Kingdom, and also the word "San" in Chinese meant 3, right. Anyaway I am proud to be called Miao. However, if any of you want to know more about Miao you should research more especially the San Miao era. "Hmong, you should proud to be called Miao" when they called you Miao they remembering our Kingdom of San Miao

By I am proud to be Miao.

This post has been edited by mIna: Jan 16 2005, 10:38 PM

[Yax]

THat's nice, but I still would prefer to be called Hmong please.

[JMAC]

when u pronounce hmong...its with silent H right?

[ch0p$TiCKzz]

hmong miao...same shiet...we all alike...its just like sayin...N.IGGER..and N.EGRO...right??

[mIna]

lol >.<

[Li Mei]

Here's what I found interesting!



Kaihsu 06:35, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

August 29, 2003.

Many of you had mention Miao in this discussion, but you all missed understood and over looked the history. The word Miao did not mean cat or originated by the Chinese. however this term "Miao" invented by Hmong themselves. The term Miao which is known for centuries or to Lao, Thai, Chinese & others came from the great Kingdom of San Miao. The Kingdom of San Miao was Hmong whom had ruled large parts of China for 1,000 years, and many groups such as Lao, Thai, Chinese might have been lived under San Miao. Because these groups were ruled by San Miao for 1,000 years that why Hmong was known to Lao, Thai, Chinese and others as Miao. When these groups called "Hmong" Miao they referred to San Miao Kingdom. San Miao was a strong, powerful kingdom. Moreover, the word San Miao meant 3 Hmong Brothers whom created the San Miao Kingdom, and also the word "San" in Chinese meant 3, right. Anyaway I am proud to be called Miao. However, if any of you want to know more about Miao you should research more especially the San Miao era. "Hmong, you should proud to be called Miao" when they called you Miao they remembering our Kingdom of San Miao

By I am proud to be Miao.

Where did you get your information from?

[SCARR]

Hmong never called themselfs Maio. They are a totally different Race. People just called us that due to that Hmong and Maio once did live among eachother in China. They just called us Maio. Its a term Maio meaning you are not chinese, so you got to be a Maio. Maio really just a term , saying that if u ant' chinese u Maio, a term used for Minoritys in China. We are not maio . We are HMONG.

[lilasiankid]

Cool, nice find....Haha...but you won't be so happy when a Lao person calls you MEO!

[華夏無產]

Cool, nice find....Haha...but you won't be so happy when a Lao person calls you MEO!

From what I know, only Chinese Hmong are called Miao, because we don't have a character from "Hmong" or "Hmoob" as Miao/Hmong call themselves. In Vn, they're called mẹo or mông; in Thailand, ม้ง mong แม้ว maew . However, as far as I know, Ghao Xong, Gha Ne (Ka Nao), Hmao, also are considered to be Hmong tribes, although they don't use that name.

Historically, I believe that Chinese expeditioners and invaders gave to the Hmong the appelation "Miao", which was a generalized term for all peoples in that area. The reason why it's sometimes considered an insult is because it sounds similar to "Cat" in Chinese.

[BeautifullyTragi...]

From what I know, only Chinese Hmong are called Miao, because we don't have a character from "Hmong" or "Hmoob" as Miao/Hmong call themselves.  In Vn, they're called mẹo or mông; in Thailand, ม้ง mong แม้ว maew .  However, as far as I know, Ghao Xong, Gha Ne (Ka Nao), Hmao, also are considered to be Hmong tribes, although they don't use that name.

True. Not even those in China who are "classified" as Miao call themselves that. They call themsleves by their own self-designation.

[aZnRiCeChiQ]

i rather be called hmong

[BeautifullyTragi...]

however this term "Miao" invented by Hmong themselves.

If the term "Miao" was "invented" by the Hmong people, then how come all those who are classified as Miao do not call themselves as such? Instead they choose to call themselves by their own self-designated names. For example, the western Hunan "Miao" call themselves "Guo-xiong", those in eastern Guizhou call themselves "Amaot" or "Mo' and those in Yunnan and southeastern Sichuan call themselves 'Meng" or "Hmong".

By I am proud to be Miao.

Why do you want to glorify this term? This term was imposed on us by those who sought to conquer and destroy our people. The Chinese ravaged our villages; drove us far from our homes; raped, killed, imprisoned and enslaved our people and you choose to honor our dead by glorifying something which our ancestors fought so bravely against and in the end died fighting for.

You are blind if you take pride in calling yourself "Miao".

[華夏無產]

Why do you want to glorify this term? This term was imposed on us by those who sought to conquer and destroy our people. The Chinese ravaged our villages; drove us far from our homes; raped, killed, imprisoned and enslaved our people and you choose to honor our dead by glorifying something which our ancestors fought so bravely against and in the end died fighting for.

According to historical records, Chiyou 蚩尤 of Hmong first invaded Yian Di's tribe, making the defeated Yiandi sought Huangdi for help. Eventually Chiyou's tribe Zhuolu 涿鹿, a defunct prefecture on the border of today provinces of Hebei and Liaoning, by Huang Di 黃帝 , leader of the Huaxia 華夏. The compass was believed to be the crucial reason of Huaxia's victory. The battle, believed to be taken place in the 26th century B.C, was fought under heavy fog as Huaxia was able to match against Miao with the compass. After the loss, the original tribe split into two smaller splinter tribes, the Miao and the Li (黎). Miao continuously moving southwest and Li southeast as the Huaxia race, now known as Han Chinese race, expanding southwards. Some Miao/Li were assimilated into the Chinese during Zhou Dynasty.
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edit: Also, Hmong people continued to live in China or in that area even after Chiyou was defeated:

In China's Tang Dynasty the Miao ceased as a major non-Chinese group except in the province of Yunnan where six "zhao" 詔 of Miao lived. The southernmost, known as Mengshezhao 蒙舍詔 pr Nanzhao 南詔, united all six zhaos and found the first independent Miao state during early 8th century. Nanzhao regularly paid tributes through the head of military district Jiannan Jiedushi 劍南節度使. When the Tang dynasty gradually declined, they gained more independence, but were assimilated by later dynasties. However, some of Nanzhao's cultural influence was carried south due to its [Nanzhao's] location.

This post has been edited by 華夏無產: Jan 15 2005, 01:16 AM

[BeautifullyTragi...]

According to historical records, Chiyou 蚩尤 of Hmong first invaded Yian Di's tribe, making the defeated Yiandi sought Huangdi for help.  Eventually Chiyou's tribe Zhuolu 涿鹿, a defunct prefecture on the border of today provinces of Hebei and Liaoning, by Huang Di 黃帝 , leader of the Huaxia 華夏. The compass was believed to be the crucial reason of Huaxia's victory. The battle, believed to be taken place in the 26th century B.C, was fought under heavy fog as Huaxia was able to match against Miao with the compass.

If I am not mistaken, Chiyou and his Juili tribe waged war to defend their territory from rapidly advancing and expanding Chinese civilization. Chiyou had won nine battles prior but lost the tenth. This loss eventually culminated in the dispersion of the Juili people from which they were never able to reunite as a nation under one banner.

This post has been edited by BeautifullyTragic: Jan 15 2005, 01:30 AM

[mIna]

however this term "Miao" invented by Hmong themselves.

If the term "Miao" was "invented" by the Hmong people, then how come all those who are classified as Miao do not call themselves as such? Instead they choose to call themselves by their own self-designated names. For example, the western Hunan "Miao" call themselves "Guo-xiong", those in eastern Guizhou call themselves "Amaot" or "Mo' and those in Yunnan and southeastern Sichuan call themselves 'Meng" or "Hmong".

By I am proud to be Miao.

Why do you want to glorify this term? This term was imposed on us by those who sought to conquer and destroy our people. The Chinese ravaged our villages; drove us far from our homes; raped, killed, imprisoned and enslaved our people and you choose to honor our dead by glorifying something which our ancestors fought so bravely against and in the end died fighting for.

You are blind if you take pride in calling yourself "Miao".

hey don't look at me okay.. all of that was quoted from what i found in wikipedia.. sheesh..

This post has been edited by mIna: Jan 15 2005, 01:47 PM

[mIna]

by the way if someone here totally knows everything about the miao/hmong why don't you write a new history book.. i'm just here to find facts and details ... not to lie... =/

[atypicalHmoobGir...]

by the way if someone here totally knows everything about the miao/hmong why don't you write a new history book.. i'm just here to find facts and details ... not to lie... =/

If you're looking for ancient Hmong history, I suggest you read the book Hais Hmoob Liv Xwv by Wu Rong-zhen, and then maybe you can grasp where BeautifullyTragic is coming from.

[mIna]

thanks i'll get that for sure..

[mIna]

lol 75 bucks.. -_- ish okay hmong help hmong.. =D

[康师傅]

Cool, nice find....Haha...but you won't be so happy when a Lao person calls you MEO!

From what I know, only Chinese Hmong are called Miao, because we don't have a character from "Hmong" or "Hmoob" as Miao/Hmong call themselves. In Vn, they're called mẹo or mông; in Thailand, ม้ง mong แม้ว maew . However, as far as I know, Ghao Xong, Gha Ne (Ka Nao), Hmao, also are considered to be Hmong tribes, although they don't use that name.

Historically, I believe that Chinese expeditioners and invaders gave to the Hmong the appelation "Miao", which was a generalized term for all peoples in that area. The reason why it's sometimes considered an insult is because it sounds similar to "Cat" in Chinese.

how come Miao sounds like Cat in chinese???
苗。。猫
Miao..Mao...

Miao=Hmong..
Hmong in China called themself Miao too.. only some Miao call themself Hmong