Ordinary Chinese see threat of Islam, Do Chinese know the real threat of Islam? Options

[elleX0]

2 January 2012 Last updated at 15:03

China unrest over mosque demolition in Ningxia

Reports from the Ningxia region of northern China say hundreds of Muslim villagers have fought with riot police who tore down a mosque.

Hong Kong-based human rights monitors said the trouble erupted on Friday after police declared the mosque an illegal structure.

The monitors say 50 people were injured and more than 100 detained.

Chinese officials confirmed a mosque was pulled down. They said there were injuries and some people were detained.

Reports of the incident have only just emerged. The details remain sketchy and accounts of the scale of the trouble vary.

The incident is said to have taken place in Taoshan village, near the town of Hexi in Tongxin county of the Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, a sparsely-populated semi-desert area in northern China.

A party official in Ningxia told the BBC that the mosque in Hexi was an illegal structure, so they knocked it down.

According to the Hong Kong Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy (ICHRD) about 1,000 police officers clashed with villagers when they arrived to demolish a newly-renovated mosque.

But a policeman who only gave the name Ma, told AFP new agency: "Two police officers and two villagers got injured and several villagers were taken away by the police, but I don't know how many."

The Hui ethnic group - who mostly inhabit the region - are one of a number of Muslim minority groups in China.

In 2009, riots erupted in western Xinjiang province when nearly 200 people died after tensions flared between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16383953

I have posted the above because I wonder why there was sufficient resentment against the Muslims that they demolished the Mosque? How many Chinese know what the religion of Islam means to Muslims and how they view non-Muslims? How many know many know the ultimate aims of all Muslims are? That they believe that Islam is the only religion for all mankind? If so we can discuss it here, to begin the process of understanding Islam.

This post has been edited by elleX0: Jan 3 2012, 04:25 PM

[phop]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16383953

I have posted the above because I wonder why there was sufficient resentment against the Muslims that they demolished the Mosque? How many Chinese know what the religion of Islam means to Muslims and how they view non-Muslims? How many know many know the ultimate aims of all Muslims are? That they believe that Islam is the only religion for all mankind? If so we can discuss it here, to begin the process of understanding Islam.

I am starting to think that Muslim religion needs to be destroy.. And I am asian.. and be replace by budhism or something less violence.

[elleX0]

I am starting to think that Muslim religion needs to be destroy.. And I am asian.. and be replace by budhism or something less violence.

Would that be possible peacefully, unless Islam is classified as a subversive cult (like the Falun Gong) and needs to be legally and nationally banned?

[faydabakery]

I am starting to think that Muslim religion needs to be destroy.. And I am asian.. and be replace by budhism or something less violence.

Sadly, the acts of a few terrorists overwhelmingly speak for the many.

About that mosque - the police just decided to take it down for no reason?

[elleX0]

Sadly, the acts of a few terrorists overwhelmingly speak for the many.

About that mosque - the police just decided to take it down for no reason?

Faybakery, I am sure you do not know very much about Islam. So I will spell out a few fundamentals.

(1) You are NOT A MUSLIM unless you fully submit(totally) to the One and Only Allah as god.

(2) That you must accept that the Qur'an is the "immutable" word of Allah, and you have to obey it all (Without exceptions). (No a-la-carte.)

(3) So as a Muslim, if Allah says kill the infidel, you obey.

The Quran says this:

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them(infidels) until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them (infidels) until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

If you do not obey the above, then you will have blasphemed against Allah, and the penalty for apostasy is death.

That is as simple as I can make it.

But you say, I know so many Muslims and they are not like that. Well those are only "cultural Muslims." They look like Muslims, they live like Muslims, but they do not obey all the commands of Allah, so in fact they are apostates. They are "non Muslims" (in the religious sense) even if they look like and pretend to be one. They are fakes.

This post has been edited by elleX0: Jan 6 2012, 06:48 AM

[blackosama]

Faybakery, I am sure you do not know very much about Islam. So I will spell out a few fundamentals.

(1) You are NOT A MUSLIM unless you fully submit(totally) to the One and Only Allah as god.

(2) That you must accept that the Qur'an is the "immutable" word of Allah, and you have to obey it all (Without exceptions). (No a-la-carte.)

(3) So as a Muslim, if Allah says kill the infidel, you obey.

The Quran says this:

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them(infidels) until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them (infidels) until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

If you do not obey the above, then you will have blasphemed against Allah, and the penalty for apostasy is death.

That is as simple as I can make it.

But you say, I know so many Muslims and they are not like that. Well those are only "cultural Muslims." They look like Muslims, they live like Muslims, but they do not obey all the commands of Allah, so in fact they are apostates. They are "non Muslims" (in the religious sense) even if they look like and pretend to be one. They are fakes.

You can find similar quotes in christian and jewish bibles. Anyway muslim in china are only a threat if backed by western powers intending to incite ethnic conflict.

This post has been edited by blackosama: Jan 8 2012, 10:50 AM

[zerohunt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16383953

I have posted the above because I wonder why there was sufficient resentment against the Muslims that they demolished the Mosque? How many Chinese know what the religion of Islam means to Muslims and how they view non-Muslims? How many know many know the ultimate aims of all Muslims are? That they believe that Islam is the only religion for all mankind? If so we can discuss it here, to begin the process of understanding Islam.

chinese destroyed a mosque?

good job, u have luck that china doesnt apply all sucidal western values like religious freedom, with this mosque destroyed people will spend their time by increasing their lifestyle instead of hating people.

China become more and more sympatic to me

[elleX0]

chinese destroyed a mosque?

good job, u have luck that china doesnt apply all sucidal western values like religious freedom, with this mosque destroyed people will spend their time by increasing their lifestyle instead of hating people.

China become more and more sympatic to me

Just to be clear on this point I quote the PRC's Constitution's extract:

The (PRC) Constitution also guarantees the freedom of religious worship as well as the "freedom not to believe in any religion" and affirms that "religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination."

But I also know that there are many riders to this clause.

[zerohunt]

Just to be clear on this point I quote the PRC's Constitution's extract:

The (PRC) Constitution also guarantees the freedom of religious worship as well as the "freedom not to believe in any religion" and affirms that "religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination."

But I also know that there are many riders to this clause.

This idea about religion freedom in human bill of rights was stupid and has no experience by history,

it was originally to create peace between catholics and protestants in europe, as it was possible to create a roof over them as a common state, with islam it is not possible as islam is way deeper going into peaples life rules,

religions cannot be compared, china will realise that sooner or later that pakistan and saudi arabia will use religion to divide china

[elleX0]

This idea about religion freedom in human bill of rights was stupid and has no experience by history,

it was originally to create peace between catholics and protestants in europe, as it was possible to create a roof over them as a common state, with islam it is not possible as islam is way deeper going into peaples life rules,

religions cannot be compared, china will realise that sooner or later that pakistan and saudi arabia will use religion to divide china

The idea that "Freedom of Religion" is a "Human Right" is promoted from the First Amendment of the American Constitution.

AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So it is not stupid. Americans believe it with all their hearts and soul.

Thus far Islam is also accepted as a religion that receives the protection of the First Amendment, and that is why America is slowly being Islamised.

zerohunt, please explain how will Pakistan and Saudi Arabia divide China with Islam? Unless you mean they intend to cause uprisings among the Huis and the people in Xinjiang?

This post has been edited by elleX0: Jan 10 2012, 04:56 AM

[zerohunt]

The idea that "Freedom of Religion" is a "Human Right" is promoted from the First Amendment of the American Constitution.

And this "human right" was made 300 years ago when nobody was able to realise a threat of islam in europe and america.



So it is not stupid. Americans believe it with all their hearts and soul.


People in quite islamificated regions cannot do that anymore.

U cannot say your opinnion openly when in your city someitime islamists kill people, u will belive what keeps u secure not what your soul is saying.



Thus far Islam is also accepted as a religion that receives the protection of the First Amendment, and that is why America is slowly being Islamised.

zerohunt, please explain how will Pakistan and Saudi Arabia divide China with Islam? Unless you mean they intend to cause uprisings among the Huis and the people in Xinjiang?

America is right now 0.5% muslim, while china is around 1.5% europe 4% and india 13%

islamification is going right in that order in speed and of the possible migration streams from islamic crisis neigbours where islam is forcing people to flee there.

dividing china will work exactly that way, islamification then seperatism, u can see that in Kashmir right all the time.

btw. there is a clear correlation between muslim percentage on a countries population and the countries instability

This post has been edited by zerohunt: Jan 10 2012, 07:11 AM

[elleX0]

America is right now 0.5% muslim, while china is around 1.5% europe 4% and india 13%

islamification is going right in that order in speed and of the possible migration streams from islamic crisis neigbours where islam is forcing people to flee there.

dividing china will work exactly that way, islamification then seperatism, u can see that in Kashmir right all the time.

btw. there is a clear correlation between muslim percentage on a countries population and the countries instability

India has 13% Muslims but there is no real problem in India. India seem to be handling it very well.

Are there any immigration statistics of Muslim migration into China? The Hui have been there for generations and seem to live harmoniously among the other peoples in China, or do you have other evidence?

[zerohunt]

India has 13% Muslims but there is no real problem in India. India seem to be handling it very well.

Are there any immigration statistics of Muslim migration into China? The Hui have been there for generations and seem to live harmoniously among the other peoples in China, or do you have other evidence?

belive me when the 6th caliphate will be founded as the muslims try it all the time these numbers will have a different weigh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXMtLmhQ74

[elleX0]

belive me when the 6th caliphate will be founded as the muslims try it all the time these numbers will have a different weigh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXMtLmhQ74

Please tell me what was the 1st Caliphate, or the 2nd or the 3rd or the 4th or the 5th? I believe you are telling are stories of fantasy? Do you even know what a caliphate is? if so please explain.

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[Hugham]

In the past China is a land of free religion.

But today we learn from our mistake.


I support Middle East policy to have unwritten law to ban and to make difficult to any religions other then the local official religion.

They will burn down a newly build 30m tall of golden Buddha statue in the middle of Cairo or Tehran.

And all the monks will be beaten to death or serve in jail forever from a groundless accusation.

Don't miss understand this "barbarism", in my opinion Middle Eastern are genius.


We, Chinese people should learn and follow their step.

Imagine if there's no non-local infidel-evil-false religions in China?


I suggesting China to ban all religions that are not native of China.

There are only to choice for non-local religion followers, convert or leave China!

All the unnecessary non-local religious buildings, will be demolished or transformed into a museum or public buildings.

There will be a very very very very small number of church and mosque for foreign workers only, and they must prove it by showing their passport before entering.


Old Chinese and Westerners are idiot, Middle Eastern is the real genius and fine example that we should follow.

India has 13% Muslims but there is no real problem in India. India seem to be handling it very well.

Are there any immigration statistics of Muslim migration into China? The Hui have been there for generations and seem to live harmoniously among the other peoples in China, or do you have other evidence?

No real problem?

You probably never heard about Muslims rebels, suicide bombers and street shooters in India.

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[elleX0]

Hugham:"In the past China is a land of free religion.

I would be a little more specific and say that Religion in China is not exclusive nor restrictive but eclectic.

Hugham: "I support Middle East policy to have unwritten law to ban and to make difficult to any religions other then the local official religion."

To be more precise, there are many written Laws of Allah (in the Quran) that commands the persecution and the killing of non-Muslims, i.e.,

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Hugham: "I suggesting China to ban all religions that are not native of China."

Outright banning would prove that China is Totalitarian and intolerant. But banning any group of people or ideology that is a threat to the national security or the peaceful existence of the indigenous people is a matter of national security and this is within the Human Rights charter and within the rights of International Laws. Therefore, to have the appropriate weapons to ban or exterminate a subversive cult is first to learn and understand the cult. Only then can you have the weapons to counter the enemy.

Hugham:
"QUOTE (elleX0 @ Jan 10 2012, 09:04 PM)
India has 13% Muslims but there is no real problem in India. India seem to be handling it very well.

Are there any immigration statistics of Muslim migration into China? The Hui have been there for generations and seem to live harmoniously among the other peoples in China, or do you have other evidence? UNQUOTE"

No real problem?

You probably never heard about Muslims rebels, suicide bombers and street shooters in India.

Hugham, I can assure you that I am very well read on current affairs regarding Islam and know what is going on in this world.
(1) The Bombay Hotel Siege by Islamists were carried out by "Pakistani Muslims sent from Pakistan" and they were not local Indian Muslims.
(2) The other atrocities of bombs on railways and other incidents were also likely carried out by "Pakistani Muslims sent in to cause carnage and fear."
(3) The Kashmir battles were between Pakistani Muslims against Indian forces.

Most of the atrocities were undertaken by Pakistani agents in India. We must make distinctions of where the Muslims come from. If Indian Muslims attempted to cause trouble, they would be overwhelmed by Hindu retaliation and the Indian Muslim know this and try to keep a low profile for their own survival. The President of India has also declared that he wants to share India's wealth with the Indian Muslims equally. India is practicing Hindu tolerance by a sikh President.

There could still be a lot of sectarian bloodshed between Muslims and Hindus in India in the future. But Hindus have a good understanding of Islam. Better than the Chinese understand Islam.

Addendum:
How can Chinese understand Islam? I believe it is essential that this process starts from the very top and also from the very bottom. But why do I harp upon Islam? Because it is one very misunderstood totalitarian belief not understood by 99% of the world. And Islam intends to conquer the world. Do not take my word for it, read the Quran and the Hadiths and judge for yourself.

(1) From the TOP. The government should sponsor scholarships at University level, to study either comparative religions, or even just Islam taught by carefully selected professors. Bottom, select very intelligent and to study these topics in order to recruit them into the civil service to advise future government officials so that they can make the right decisions for the nation.
(2) Translate all the important data and articles on Islam into Chinese so that the people can read the world opinions for themselves.
(3) Encourage open dialogue on these topics for the whole of China.

All the above should be started immediately and guided by enlightened people. Most people in China do not appreciate the importance of religion and have no formal learning on these topics. This is why discussions on these topics often disintegrates into name calling, and not intelligent discussions.

This post has been edited by elleX0: Jan 24 2012, 11:04 AM