New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings? Options

[Leeporter]

yea lee porter that makes perfect sense display a slave with someone bowing down to him. that "thai" logic sure is advanced i mean really jeez

err..
1) how do you know what Tai-speaking people or what Siameses wore in thoese days?
2) how do you know he was the rulers? he could be a master slave.

We have direct evidences such as the names of the rulers (Kun XXX) to tell who those rulers were but you and SEAhistory chose to use indirect evidences such as what they wore. I told you already, even Sakai in southern Thailand still wore things like that today.

[LoveIsAllAround]

yea lee porter that makes perfect sense display a slave with someone bowing down to him. that "thai" logic sure is advanced i mean really jeez

obviously not enough people did because why do things in thailand continue to have khmer referenced to them? like phimai national park? makes no sense unless you are saying "thais" are stupid because they referenced khmer in first place when no one forced them too.nobody forced you morons to name things khmer in your own nation. if you were smart you would have been renaming khmer things for years now whats the holdup?
your duty? but nobody is asking you to come here and run your mouth if you siam tia thais want to claim everything fine go ahead . start by getting rid of things that have khmer tied to them in thailand first i dont think thats too hard.

It's KHOM, not Khmer. LOL

[LoveIsAllAround]

As we all said it before. Siamese are a hybrid of the Khmer/Mon. And who ever claim them as being apart of the Thai must be very retarded for believing a Siamese lies. Tai will always distinguish themselves from the Siamese or those Central Thai because they were always known to be barbaric and savage people right under our feet. Its funny how you and many like you go very hysterical when a Lao brother speaks the truth about our little Thai whiner brother. He always bang $hit around and throwing things at everyone.

Don't be racist, against Mon-Khmer people you idiot racist American. Use your racist in USA only. It must be hurt to be a lil Lao black hair in the Black neighborhood. LOL

Mon-Khmer blood is running in every Lao. Don't hate your own parents.

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 15 2012, 10:41 PM

[Leeporter]

err..
1) how do you know what Tai-speaking people or what Siameses wore in thoese days?
2) how do you know he was the rulers? he could be a master slave.

We have direct evidences such as the names of the rulers (Kun XXX) to tell who those rulers were but you and SEAhistory chose to use indirect evidences such as what they wore. I told you already, even Sakai in southern Thailand still wore things like that today.

Chad, to prove that the rulers of Funan were Khmer, you have to prove that Kun Pan Wang, Kun Pan Chan, Kun Pan Pan, Kun Pan Chang etc. are Khmer names.

Because the name of people "normally" tells their language.

Simple like that.

[Sengto]

Don't be racist, against Mon-Khmer people you idiot racist American. Use your racist in USA only. It must be hurt to be a lil Lao black hair in the Black neighborhood. LOL

Mon-Khmer blood is running in every Lao. Don't hate your own parents.

How can that be racist? It is what it met it was met to be. Let's just say that is how the Siamese were separated from the Tai the first place. Now they want to be accepted by all Tai ethnic people. But we know the truth behind it.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Even Lao called them slaves, how could they be the Varman kings?????

They just confirmed us that Khmer were slaves of Varmans. They said original Khmer were those Khmer Lue.

[LoveIsAllAround]

How can that be racist? It is what it met it was met to be. Let's just say that is how the Siamese were separated from the Tai the first place. Now they want to be accepted by all Tai ethnic people. But we know the truth behind it.

Ok, this will the last reply to Lao troll in this thread!!! 555+

Read your comment again you racist. You are blaming Khmer members too. You racist use "Mon-Khmer" as an insult to Thai people. I don't know why Khmer members stil be calm, maybe they are stupid to not know this or they want you to be their allies. You both are real ignorant to each others. LOL

Do you know what Lao is? Tear your eyes! LMAO!!!

ADD: by Sawan


















<-- Luangprabang market

[Leeporter]

They just confirmed us that Khmer were slaves of Varmans. They said original Khmer were those Khmer Lue.

Seriously, I never seen any evidences in any stone inscriptions or in Chinese/Arab records to confirm that Funan/Chenla kings were Khmers.

The only evidence we have was their non-indian names.

And those names happen to be Tai words!!!

And they don't want me to talk about this evidence; instead, they go to dig in-direct evidences which is very vague such as the way they dress, their "style" of art etc.

And they think they could win the argument over direct evidence.



This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 15 2012, 10:54 PM

[chadwarden]

It's KHOM, not Khmer. LOL

you can start off by telling your blood relatives they are wrong. theres the phone and address call them and tell them all your findings
http://www.thailand.com/travel/historical/...athinphimai.htm Thai Portal Co., Ltd. 194 Soi Pridi Banomyong 46 (Soi Chit Wari) Sukhumvit 71 Road, Klongton Nua, Wattana, Bangkok, Thailand, 10110
Tel. 66 2 391 9595 ext. Thailand.com Fax. 66 2 391 8070 E-mail : webmaster@thailand.com

Prasat Hin Phimai National Historical Park

Of all the historical sites in Nakorn Ratchasima, perhaps the most impressive is this ancient Khmer shrine, which pre-dates Angkor Wat in Siem Reap. It is estimated that construction on this shrine began during the reign of Khmer King Jayavarman V in the late 10th century and was finished in the early 11th century, by King Suriyavarman I. During the height of the Angkor Empire, this site was directly connected to Angkor Wat by road. Prasat Hin Phimai is the largest sandstone shrine in Thailand and stands in the middle of what was the ancient city of Phimai. The main shrine is over 28 m in height and is constructed of fine white sandstone. In addition, many of the carvings on the walls and above the doorways are extremely detailed and distinguished. Reconstruction and renovation was recently completed and the shrine is now, more or less, as it was nearly 1000 years ago. In addition to the shrine, there are several other ruins, as well as numerous Khmer statues.
Phimai National Museum

This museum, recently constructed, offers a fine collection of Isaan sculptures, including many of the finer pieces from Prasat Hin Phimai and the surrounding areas. The most celebrated piece is a sculpture of Khmer King Jayavarman VII, which dates back over 900 years.

lol thai constructed a museum for khmer king jayavarman vii yea thats really smart of "thai" they claim everything yet the most celebrated piece is of khmer king jayavarman vii? where is the logic here siam? why do you go to great lenghts to name things in khmer name but then come back and say its not true.

Prasat Hin Phimai National Historical Park is located 60 km northeast of Nakorn Ratchasima and can be reached via bus No. 1305. The trip costs 16 baht and takes a little over an hour and a half.

[Sengto]

@LoveIsAllAround
^
It still doesn't prove that I was a racist you idiot. What so racist about these picture when I clearly said Siamese aren't any where apart of the Tai ethnic family? But I can say that Tai-yuan and Isan are apart of the Tai since they are Lao and Lao are Tai as to Dai and Zhuang are in relation. No Siamese at all in this concept dude. LOL! Now get over
the fact that you have no clue about the Tai people at all.

This post has been edited by Sengto: Feb 15 2012, 10:56 PM

[Leeporter]

you can start off by telling your blood relatives they are wrong. theres the phone and address call them and tell them all your findings

Chad, you are using "false" logic here.
Just because some Thai still believe in the old "mainstream" version of history, it doesn't mean that it's fact.

This study is very limited, not many people are aware of what we are talking about here.

As I told you, even many Thai members here still find it hard to believe, because it contradicts to the "fake" version of history they learned in school that Tai never existed before 700 years ago.

Don't use "false" logic, you won't make any score arguing with me.

[Leeporter]

Chad, let me ask you this.

If we are to find out who the rulers of Funan was, what could be a better evidence between:

1) their native name (i.e. non-sanskrit title)

2) how they dress

3) their style of art

[LoveIsAllAround]

you can start off by telling your blood relatives they are wrong. theres the phone and address call them and tell them all your findings

It's will be back to everything are labeled as "KHMER" by you again. All Austroasiatic, austronesian tribals can be Khmer. This is silly, you know?

Old Siamese never call those as Khmer but Khom. It's some modern Thais (yes, they maybe Khmer, Lao, Chinese descents) who learn theory based from French (100+ years) ago. So they change 'KHOM" to be 'Khmer', which never happened by Real Siamese themselves. It's simple like this.. if Khmer really were those who owned the culture, Old Siamese would called 'Khmer Culture, Khmer Prasat etc.." But they called "Khom"?

[chadwarden]

Chad, you are using "false" logic here.
Just because some Thai still believe in the old "mainstream" version of history, it doesn't mean that it's fact.

This study is very limited, not many people are aware of what we are talking about here.

As I told you, even many Thai members here still find it hard to believe, because it contradicts to the "fake" version of history they learned in school that Tai never existed before 700 years ago.

Don't use "false" logic, you won't make any score arguing with me.

wow so the most advanced se asians subjugated themselves to inferior history for hundreds of years? why is that thai was quick to say preah vihear is not khmer but still in shadows about the tai speaking kings of funan and why khmer is still slapped on various monuments in thailand?

the logic does make perfect sense because nobody forced "thai" to put down khmer in their history at all. the french or khmer werent holding a gun to them saying you stupid siam better include khmer in your history so that means that 1 of 2 things either "thai" are just stupid for accepting a history that they themselves didnt research properly and is false or 2 this new phony history you are spouting off is just "thai" nationalistic garbage like usual.

trust me lee porter if "thai" learned anything to discredit khmer or angkor they would release it in an instant. it would be all over the papers and news you really dont think that they would just hold it in?

and again either you or your friend are wrong. siam is the basis of your people and according to your friend they are either a mon people or mon mixed with something else but you continue to say tai speakers were in the region when nobody is saying that.

[chadwarden]

It's will be back to everything are labeled as "KHMER" by you again. All Austroasiatic, austronesian tribals can be Khmer. This is silly, you know?

Old Siamese never call those as Khmer but Khom. It's some modern Thais (yes, they maybe Khmer, Lao, Chinese descents) who learn theory based from French (100+ years) ago. So they change 'KHOM" to be 'Khmer', which never happened by Real Siamese themselves. It's simple like this.. if Khmer really were those who owned the culture, Old Siamese would called 'Khmer Culture, Khmer Prasat etc.." But they called "Khom"?

so it proves your race is stupid for listening to history propagated by other people and writing in their own history. stupid or lazy you pick one. why isnt rama correcting this he is the leader of the "thai" talking about misnaming again but anyway should he say something of why people are miswriting things as khmer when it shouldnt be?

boy for being a such a dominating race you guys cant record things correctly for sh1t lol



This post has been edited by chadwarden: Feb 15 2012, 11:25 PM

[Leeporter]

wow so the most advanced se asians subjugated themselves to inferior history for hundreds of years? why is that thai was quick to say preah vihear is not khmer but still in shadows about the tai speaking kings of funan and why khmer is still slapped on various monuments in thailand?

the logic does make perfect sense because nobody forced "thai" to put down khmer in their history at all. the french or khmer werent holding a gun to them saying you stupid siam better include khmer in your history so that means that 1 of 2 things either "thai" are just stupid for accepting a history that they themselves didnt research properly and is false or 2 this new phony history you are spouting off is just "thai" nationalistic garbage like usual.

I am happy to see you continuing using such logic. Hope you get some score from the audience.

Now, come back to the question.

If we are to find out who the rulers of Funan was, what could be a better evidence between:

1) their native name (i.e. non-sanskrit title)

2) how they dress

3) their style of art

Which one is the most obvious and direct evidence?

[Leeporter]

BTW, anyone have information about King Nippean Bat (1340-1346), the first Khmer king according to the Chronicle of Cambida?

Like, Who was he? Where was he from? etc.

[LoveIsAllAround]

so it proves your race is stupid for listening to history propagated by other people and writing in their own history. stupid or lazy you pick one. why isnt rama correcting this he is the leader of the "thai" talking about misnaming again but anyway should he say something of why people are miswriting things as khmer when it shouldnt be?

boy for being a such a dominating race you guys cant record things correctly for sh1t lol

Are you upset? LOL

What is misnaming and miswriting? you talk about?

Tai/Thai? and Khom/Khmer?

Did ever you read my comments? LOL

[LoveIsAllAround]

boy for being a such a dominating race you guys cant record things correctly for sh1t lol

For what?

[chadwarden]

I am happy to see you continuing using such logic. Hope you get some score from the audience.

Now, come back to the question.

If we are to find out who the rulers of Funan was, what could be a better evidence between:

1) their native name (i.e. non-sanskrit title)

2) how they dress

3) their style of art

Which one is the most obvious and direct evidence?

style of dress just look the the khmer ler today and you will see it.
bunong


which in turn you can trace the lineages of mon khmer people by their original dress style
Wa people in china

khmu


krung

use of dark indigo/black along with red coloring common among mon khmers throught southeast asia
lieouye first queen of funan known in khmer as neang neak




art
http://www.funan.de/museum.php?lang=en