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[sinster]

which is why Vietnamese don't prefer tough materials like Lao and Khmer. We prefer the materials to be soft so our aodai can flow

Chinese qipao doesn't flow partly because the slits are too low, partly because of the materials.

Thats a really good comparison u know, comparing modern ao dai with non-modern qipao. I thought u r more knowledgeable than tat Xigon. Or is that what we call biasness?

"In 1744, Lord Vu Vuong of the Nguyen Dynasty was assigned to revise the dress of Vietnamese ladies. He was the one who made the first design of the ao dai under certain influences of Muong patterns and Chinese versions."
http://www.eng.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/eng/ne...mp;news_id=2488

Seem like the ao dai is a blend between Muong and chinese influence.

This post has been edited by sinster: Jul 11 2010, 06:59 AM

[tianya]

Thats a really good comparison u know, comparing modern ao dai with non-modern qipao. I thought u r more knowledgeable than tat Xigon. Or is that what we call biasness?

"In 1744, Lord Vu Vuong of the Nguyen Dynasty was assigned to revise the dress of Vietnamese ladies. He was the one who made the first design of the ao dai under certain influences of Muong patterns and Chinese versions."
http://www.eng.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/eng/ne...mp;news_id=2488

Seem like the ao dai is a blend between Muong and chinese influence.

Nguyen Vu Vuong decided to do some thing to please his new master, so he forbidded his people to wear skirt and forced them to wear Ao dai.
Compare Ao dai with manju Qipao


I do not think they are very different. Both wear pants inside.

Modern time Qipao was invented during last century.Obviously it has strong western influence, and it was later welcomed by chinese feminists. So it is short/tight, make ladies look sexy, very different from any tradditional chinese clothes.
Do not know why xigon compare Aodai with modern time Qipao? That's two different kinds of things.

[FieryOFTheEast]

fu-k i only got 1 hour of sleep............... feel like $hit

[chiuchimu]

Very beautiful. The traditional outfits are amazing.

[XigonCongchua]

tianya and sinster, aodao did got some influence from qipao such as the collar but it didn't derived from qipao. Look at the dress of your ethnic Jing in China, still pretty similar to aodai. And the Jing migrated to China in the 14th century.








Two key features: the slits at the waist and the flowly flaps are still there. Differences are the collar and the flaps. Lord Nguyen Vu Vuong turned the four flaps into two flaps by moving the button line to the side, but at that time ao dai didn't have that "qipao collar". The qipao collar only developed in the 20th century under the influence of China, yes. But today there are many types of collar for aodai, it doesn't have to be the qipao-type collar, like this dress




For references, these are collar types for aodai in the past. Notice that qipao collar came along pretty late

No collar


low ao tu than collar




Qipao collar - This is in the 1960s



Today when designing old-type aodai, designers still make it collarless or low collar



Also for references, this is how ao tu than looked when it got turned from four flaps to two flaps (this happened in the North before Lord Nguyen Vu Vuong) but with the skirt unchanged



Notice the collar in the two pictures above are pretty similar to the ones in these pictures





What changed was the skirt and the sash. They replaced skirt with pants and took away the sash.


P/S: an advice to tianya - you should stop talking in a condescending tone if you want to earn respect from people.

[XigonCongchua]

fu-k i only got 1 hour of sleep............... feel like $hit

LOL Did AF keep you awake?

Very beautiful. The traditional outfits are amazing.

Thanks.

[FieryOFTheEast]

LOL Did AF keep you awake?


Thanks.

No.. I was laying on my bed and couldn't sleep...
I think it's cause I drank a iced cappuccino before i slept...caffeine in my body

[thumbsUp]

tianya and sinster, aodao did got some influence from qipao such as the collar but it didn't derived from qipao. Look at the dress of your ethnic Jing in China, still pretty similar to aodai. And the Jing migrated to China in the 14th century.

How come Jing wear pants instead of skirts? They didn't get affected by the ban if they were in China.

Did they get influenced by the Ao dai somehow?


They claimed that they came to China since 14th century but their clothes look more closer to modern Vietnamese Ao Dai then to the more original clothing.
The only thing different is they still wear the four flapped outer jacket/shirt with no collar like some northerners but they're wearing pants instead of skirts
which is weird.

[XigonCongchua]

The modern aodai is an influence from Vietnam.

But for the four-flapped dress with pants, no. Jing in China are mostly fishermen. They must have switched from skirt to pants for the convenience of their way of living.

[BingBinG69]

How come Viet Ao Dai looking like a modern pajamas?

http://siamtradingpost.com/cubecart/images...i-yellow-pj.jpg



http://www.exoticindiaart.com/kurtapajamas...pajama_vp17.jpg

[katana300]

Viet Dress > Lao Dress
Don't be jealous of our dress.

[thumbsUp]

The modern aodai is an influence from Vietnam.

But for the four-flapped dress with pants, no. Jing in China are mostly fishermen. They must have switched from skirt to pants for the convenience of their way of living.

Yeah I was thinking either that or when they adopted the Ao Dai, they took the idea of pants and switched out the skirts from the one with four flaps.
I've seen that four flapped dress before in some Quan Ho videos but they were wearing skirts. So it must be one of the reason above, influence from Ao Dai, or switched for convenience.

[XigonCongchua]

And Lao dress like monks?

[cocoloco]

Beautiful pictures. Quick question, are Muong similar to Thuong people?

[XigonCongchua]

Beautiful pictures. Quick question, are Muong similar to Thuong people?

Not really. Thượng often refers to the people in Central Vietnam highland. Muong people are from Northern Vietnam.

Technically all mountain minorities in Vietnam can be referred to as Thuong, but it doesn't mean they are the same. Thượng just means highland people in general. It's not ethnic-specific.

[BingBinG69]

And Lao dress like monks?

We are a buddhist believer afterall.

[XigonCongchua]

For reference, this was how court Northern Viet dress, áo tứ thân, looked like before switching to pants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClW3GwFrQjI <--- this vid provides the best example






The Jing in China obviously replaced the skirts with pants to get this





Back in Vietnam, they turned two flaps in the front to one flap by moving button line to the side and got this





Finally in Vietnam the skirt also got replaced with the pants. The sash was removed and you got this








With some qipao influence and you got this

[FieryOFTheEast]

I wonder if the Jing speak old vietnamese...

[neinei]

I wonder if the Jing speak old vietnamese...

They have been in china for over 600 years. They pretty much lost. I am pretty sure they speak cantonese now.

[XigonCongchua]

They speak a mix of Viet and Cantonese. When I listen to some of their folk songs, I can still understand.

This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Jul 11 2010, 10:22 PM