South Koreans may have Indian genes Options

[CJK]

geez, it's only one bloody person.

[YManchun]

I'm not really surprised. Korea had more foreign influence then what people realize.

Anyways, there used to be a relatively good sized arab community on the coastline trading with us during the Shilla dynasty. They probably had more impact on our bloodline that the Indians.

[starry]

According the geneology registry on my dad's side, one of the women somewhere along the line was Indian for certain.

This post has been edited by starry: Jan 20 2005, 08:03 PM

[Infinite Justice]

Korean is a made-up identity so it doesnt mean anything in biology. At least the majority of so called Korean are mostly Mongoloid but they are obviously also mixed with people that originated in West Eurasia.

[starry]

Makes sense. The phenotypes that can be found among Koreans are incredibly diverse considering it's a small peninsula. You'd think they'd be more homogenous in appearance.

[hi-head]

YEah, for sure, korea's gotta be among the most genetically diverse countries of its size, it was like a melting pot, migration occuring from all directions. Like starry mentioned, koreans DONT ALL LOOK ALIKE, AT ALL. There are koreans that look black, those that look chinese, those that look arabic, hispanic, polynesian, or even caucasian. They come in all sizes and shapes.

[onepairofpant]

hmm those that look chinese? so the chinese must be totally pure asian looking fellars right? and korea is a melting pot of artic like mutts? shut your face

[Infinite Justice]

hmm those that look chinese? so the chinese must be totally pure asian looking fellars right? and korea is a melting pot of artic like mutts? shut your face

Everyone is a mutt right? The difference is that the origin of some Chinese is more "pure" than any Korean who have features from a couple other populations supposedly distant from them.

[MadGhoul]

hmm those that look chinese? so the chinese must be totally pure asian looking fellars right? and korea is a melting pot of artic like mutts? shut your face

so fu-king what. you trying to insinuate looking Chinese is a insult? whatever i'm not going to get into it, obviously filled with biased prejudgements that have no backbone. so what if Korea isn't genetically pure? what does it matter? you're saying that Koreans are genetically pure and your fellow Korean Hi-head says otherwise. why get your panties in a bunch

[Lelegreen LeMoN ...]

oh really? indian genes? hmm.. not that surprising!!

[Infinite Justice]

A lot of Koreans today are getting black or white genes and they are a relatively small population compare to China, in the future there will be no 'pure' Koreans.

[onepairofpant]

hmm those that look chinese? so the chinese must be totally pure asian looking fellars right? and korea is a melting pot of artic like mutts? shut your face

so fu-king what. you trying to insinuate looking Chinese is a insult? whatever i'm not going to get into it, obviously filled with biased prejudgements that have no backbone. so what if Korea isn't genetically pure? what does it matter? you're saying that Koreans are genetically pure and your fellow Korean Hi-head says otherwise. why get your panties in a bunch

no, your the one getting your panties in a bunch, if some of us most look chinese then the chinese must be a more genetically uniformed race, since we all no theres absolutely no chinese with possibly black looking features, or arabian, hispanic, whatever he was saying and even white 2

A lot of Koreans today are getting black or white genes and they are a relatively small population compare to China, in the future there will be no 'pure' Koreans.

wheres the proof? do you mean koreans or korean americans? it even says EVERYWHERE that korea is one of the most genetically homogenous populations in the world, and its true, if you're looking for the most genetically diverse place in the world I think it might be Queens, NY. You're just another chinese nationalist who needs his face bashed in.

Anyways whatever, as SOMEONE SAID IT JUST ONE PERSON!

and I dont give a $hit what anyone thinks whatever koreans came to be there are some really good looking people in my mind, and nothings gonna change that, not some indian-centric article, or some chinese whos dying to feel better about himself

This post has been edited by onepairofpant: Jan 21 2005, 02:32 PM

[onepairofpant]

oh really? indian genes? hmm.. not that surprising!!

somewhat, indians are some type of asian blood as well mixed with half white blood, it could be possible thats where koreans got a bit of the white DNA type in there blood and Indian blood would be blend into the already asian blood, I sort of think koreans have slightly higher noses than some of the other asians, that could of been the culprit but I sort of doubt it.

This post has been edited by onepairofpant: Jan 21 2005, 02:36 PM

[YManchun]

hmm those that look chinese? so the chinese must be totally pure asian looking fellars right? and korea is a melting pot of artic like mutts? shut your face

Everyone is a mutt right? The difference is that the origin of some Chinese is more "pure" than any Korean who have features from a couple other populations supposedly distant from them.

I thought Han chinese wasn't a homogenous race.

A lot of Koreans today are getting black or white genes and they are a relatively small population compare to China, in the future there will be no 'pure' Koreans.

Are you talking about Korean-Americans?

This post has been edited by YManchun: Jan 21 2005, 03:08 PM

[Infinite Justice]

"somewhat, indians are some type of asian blood as well mixed with half white blood, it could be possible thats where koreans got a bit of the white DNA type in there blood and Indian blood would be blend into the already asian blood, I sort of think koreans have slightly higher noses than some of the other asians, that could of been the culprit but I sort of doubt it."

You have no idea what you are talking about. There is such thing as "white blood" or "asian blood". If you talk about genetic markers, its obvious that all so called races share many of them with each other*. Of course, if two "races" resemble each other there is a reason for it, common ancestry or admixture, are most likely. If Koreans have a resemblence to certain Caucasians then it means they share a relation. Why would it bother you so much if Koreans are mutts (like you), but you certainly hope all Chinese were mutts.

*[A possible cause of these bottlenecks, put forth by Excoffier and Schneider, 48 involves Neolithic human expansions. According to this hypothesis, the recent
settlement of Indo-European speakers in India some 3500 years ago 3 might have had a major impact on the demography of south tribes. West Eurasian mtDNA
haplogroups H, JT and W represent 6–7% of north and central tribes (Table 3), which are located in the area where Indo-European languages are spoken. In contrast, these west Eurasian mtDNA types are virtually absent in south tribes, which are located where Dravidian languages are spoken. This might reflect different responses of local people to the Indo-European settlement of India. In the
north and center, Indo-Europeans may have admixed with local people, 50
concomitant with the spread of Indo-European languages. In contrast, in the southern part of India, local populations may have challenged the arrival of
Indo-European newcomers, resulting in limited admixture, reduction of tribal population sizes and retention of their original languages, thus explaining why Dravidian lan-guages survived the spread of Indo-European languages in
south India."] European Journal of Human Genetics (2003)

"A lot of Koreans today are getting black or white genes and they are a relatively small population compare to China, in the future there will be no 'pure' Koreans.

-Are you talking about Korean-Americans?"

Koreans in general are marrying outside their "race" and its a trend that is increasing over time.There will be a point when a sizeable population in Korea is of mixed-race and they will merge with the original Korean population completely.

This post has been edited by Infinite Justice: Jan 21 2005, 03:21 PM

[starry]

Koreans in general are marrying outside their "race" and its a trend that is increasing over time.There will be a point when a sizeable population in Korea is of mixed-race and they will merge with the original Korean population completely.

According to the CIA World Factbook, the ethnic groups in Korea are homogenous aside from about 20,000 Chinese who reside there.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo.../ks.html#People

Inter-racial couples in South Korea (let alone North Korea) are virtually non-existent due to the general lack of foreigners and the social stigmas attached to it.

Korean girls might date some American soldiers who are stationed there but I have never heard of or seen one marriage as a result.

Please provide some statistics or articles to illuminate the point you're trying to make there because right now it's not making any sense to me.

[Gahwe]

한민족(韓民族)

한반도(韓半島)와 그 북쪽에 연한 만주(滿洲) 일부에 살고 있는 종족으로, 공통된 한국어를 사용하며 공동문화권을 형성하고 있는 민족.

황색인종(黃色人種)에 속하며, 우랄-알타이어족인 원시 퉁구스의 한 갈래로, 고대 중국에서는 동이(東夷)라고 불렀던 일족이다. 한민족이 언제부터 만주와 한반도에 살았는지 그 확실한 연대는 알 수 없으나, 지금으로부터 1만 년을 전후한 신석기시대부터 이 지역에 살고 있었음을, 그들이 남긴 유적 •유물에 의하여 알 수 있다.
정론(定論)은 없으나 한민족의 조상들은 일찍부터 인류의 발상지라고 일컬어지는 중앙아시아 지방으로부터 구석기시대를 전후하여 몽골과 만주지방에까지 이동해왔다고 여겨진다.

그들은 다시 새로운 신석기의 기술을 배우면서 만주지방으로부터 남하하여 반도에 들어와 살게 되었고, 일부는 일찍이 일본으로 옮겨가서 일본민족의 일부를 이루게 되었다. 또, 남해안지방에는 해류관계로 부분적으로 남방계통의 민족이 흘러들어와 혼합되었고, 황해(黃海)를 건너 한족(漢族) 계통도 들어왔을 것이다.
따라서 원시시대부터 황허강[黃河] 유역의 문명이 주류가 되고 만주나 몽골의 북방계통의 것이 가미되었으며, 남해안 지방은 일본의 기타큐슈[北九州]와 서부 일본에 문화를 전파한 까닭에 그들과 같은 문화권을 이루고 있었다.

《시경》이나 《논어》 등에는 맥(貊: )이 불함산(不咸山:長白山)을 중심으로 백민(白民:古朝鮮族)의 북쪽에 산다고 하였고, 《사기(史記)》를 비롯한 후대의 사서(史書)에는 이 종족을 예맥(濊貊:穢貊)이라고 하였는데, 예맥족은 연구 결과 오늘의 한민족의 근간을 이루고 있음이 밝혀졌다.
예맥족은 고대 아시아 민족인 퉁구스족에 속하며, 만몽계통 또는 터키계통과 공통된 먼 공동조상에서 갈라진 일족이다.
예맥족은 곰[熊]을 신성시하여 수호신 •조상신으로 숭배하던 토템족으로, 이러한 사상은 동북아시아의 여러 민족 사회에 널리 퍼져 있었다.
예맥족은 신석기시대의 초 •중기부터 대륙지방에서 동쪽으로 진출하여 만주족의 조상인 숙신족(肅愼族)을 만주의 동쪽으로 몰아내면서 열하(熱河) 방면에서 한반도의 구릉지대와 헤이룽강[黑龍江] 유역을 생활무대로 하여 정착, 원시적인 생활을 해왔다. 원시사회의 토기를 보면, 이들은 만주와 시베리아로 연결되는 북방 아시아계통의 요소를 지닌 빗살무늬토기 계통과, 화북(華北)과 만주 •몽골계의 요소가 깃든 민무늬후육토기[無文厚肉土器] 계통과, 화북계(華北系)인 주도마연토기(朱塗磨硏土器) 계통의 세 갈래 길을 택하여 이주해왔다.

이들은 그 뒤 만주 북쪽과 동쪽 지방에서 부여(夫餘)를 건설하고, 한반도 북부에 고구려 •옥저(沃沮) •예(濊) 등의 고대 부족국가를 건설하였다. 이와 전후하여 한 갈래의 부족은 일찍이 남하하여 반도 남부에 자리잡았다. 이들은 오랫동안 한강(漢江) 이남에 살면서 별로 북방의 종족들과 접촉이 없는 가운데 대소의 씨족적 사회를 이루고 있었다.
마한(馬韓) •진한(辰韓) •변한(弁韓)의 3한이 그것이었으며, 이들은 총수 70여 개의 부락국가를 이루고 원시생활을 해왔다. 《삼국지(三國志)》에 의하면, 이들은 말과 풍습이 서로 다르다고 하였으므로 단일종족으로 볼 수는 없으며, 또 그들의 이주 연대와 정착지도 틀린다. 따라서 그들의 문화나 풍습도 따로따로 별개의 방향으로 발전을 보았을 것이다.
그리고 남쪽 해안에는 해양성 종족이 다분히 표류되어 와서 살게 됨으로써 여러 갈래의 군소국이 형성된 것이라고 생각되나, 민족의 근간에는 변화가 없었다.

이들은 처음부터 마한 목지국(目支國)의 진왕(辰王)을 맹주로 하여 부속관계를 맺고 있었으므로, 막연하나마 통일된 민족의식이 있었음을 알 수 있다. 이들 중에서 4세기경에는 고대 국가인 백제 •신라가 형성되어 북쪽의 부여계통인 고구려와 남방의 3한을 중심으로 한 한민족 계통의 신라민족으로 크게 분리되었다.
어느 민족이나 처음에는 한 종족이 여러 곳에 씨족사회를 이루고 살다가 차츰 부족국가를 이루게 되고, 한 걸음 더 나아가 한 민족의 통일국가를 형성하게 된다.
한민족은 이와 같은 경로를 거쳐 남과 북에 부족국가를 이룬 삼국시대를 거쳐서 7세기 중기에 이르러 민족 통일국가를 이루게 되었다. 신라가 3국을 통일하였다고 하지만, 실제로는 백제만을 완전히 통합시켰을 뿐 고구려는 그 일부, 즉 남포(南浦)에서 원산만(元山灣)에 이르는 경계선 이남의 영토를 정복한 데 불과하며, 신라는 고구려의 남쪽 일부분만을 차지하고 그 유민(遺民)들을 거느리게 된 데 지나지 않았다. 따라서 여기에 통합되지 않은 고구려 민족의 대부분은 한민족과 분리된 만주족이 되었다.

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[Infinite Justice]

"Korean girls might date some American soldiers who are stationed there but I have never heard of or seen one marriage as a result.

Please provide some statistics or articles to illuminate the point you're trying to make there because right now it's not making any sense to me."

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/new...0501170039.html

Of all foreigners, Japanese make the most popular husbands for Korean women, data published Monday show. The Ministry of Health and Welfare said 6,444 Korean women married foreign men in 2003, up 31.6 percent from 4,896 in 2002.
It quoted data from the National Statistical Office showing that 2,613 Japanese men married Korean women, followed by Americans (1,237), Chinese (1,199), Canadians (223), Bangladeshis (158), Pakistanis (130), Australians (108) and Germans (93). An increase in the number of South Asian workers in Korea is reflected in the fact that Bangladeshis and Pakistanis take fifth and sixth place.

*cough*Indian genes in Koreans*cough*

The ministry said that of 160,000 Korean people who married foreigners since 1990, 50,000 were women, and they married 26,162 Japanese husbands, 13,174 Americans and 1,471 Chinese.

Half of the women who married foreigners had been married before. In 2003, 3,637 Korean women were married to foreign husbands in their first marriage, while 2,674 Korean women took foreign men as their second husbands. But of 1,199 Korean women who married Chinese men, 811 had been married before, whereas some 76.3 percent of Korean women who wed Americans had never been married before.

Women from big cities like Seoul (1920), Gyeonggi Province (1204) and Busan (440) were more likely to marry foreign men than women in less developed areas.

Korean men, for their part, married 13,373 Chinese, 1,403 Vietnamese, 1,242 Japanese and 944 Filipino women, with Western women barely getting a look in.

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This doesnt seem like a lot compared to Western numbers, but add the amount of Koreans who are already mix and go back to Korea. This is just the start by the way, more immigration into Korea and a changing society will increase the amount twofold.

[Rad Raz]

That is why we should kick those immigrants out of the land. These hybreeds are the main reason for intermarriage.