why do mongolians hate chinese? Options

[MyEmpireSparta]

Northern Chinese do have genetic links from the Mongol/Turkic/Manchu/Siberic people. Anthropologists have already concluded that. Everyone has already split Northern and Southern Chinese into two seperate subraces, and they weren't the first, it's happened throughout history.

I posted this before, to bring some understanding and end of hatred between Mongol and Chinese people.

When you get tired of this, my little wanker?

This is the genetic studies regarding gene-distance between different groups in Asia, and among South/North/West/Taiwan Han Chinese:



If N.Chinese and S.Chinese are not the same race, then there isnt much, if any at all, race in this world existing, now you can get lost, joke.

And I bet you have no clue about what you are talking about:

THE ONLY REASON WHY N.Chinese seems like get anything (althrough the similiarity is still trivial) to do with MONGOL/MANCHU IN China is because the MANCHU/MONGOL in China are mixed Manchu/Mongol, get huge Han's blood in their Y-DNA, get your fact straigth you fu-king joke.

The first line is Tungus in China (Manchu etc), the rest are their bros in Russia:



Now get lost

[SoonToBeDaddy]

I've been studying anthropology for 3 years, I know far more then you'll possibly know. It's obvious that you're a troll here on Mongol forum. You want to promote your own racial hatred against Mongol people as a Chinamen. But being married to a half-Chinese wife, and a 1/4 Chinese daughter due next month, I fail to understand the need of hating people by genes.

Only those people who are inferior themselves as individuals need to rely on personal racial pride to feel good about themselves.

I pity you Chinaman.

If you want to learn a bit about genetics and cultural inheritance, not race-based politics, read the latest research done by combined U.S.A., U.K., Russian and Chinese anthropologists. Not to mention the AAPA declarations on race.

This post has been edited by SoonToBeDaddy: Jun 8 2009, 07:17 AM

[MyEmpireSparta]

I've been studying anthropology for 3 years, I know far more then you'll possibly know. It's obvious that you're a troll here on Mongol forum. You want to promote your own racial hatred against Mongol people as a Chinamen. But being married to a half-Chinese wife, and a 1/4 Chinese daughter due next month, I fail to understand the need of hating people by genes.

Only those people who are inferior themselves as individuals need to rely on personal racial pride to feel good about themselves.

I pity you Chinaman.

If you want to learn a bit about genetics and cultural inheritance, not race-based politics, read the latest research done by combined U.S.A., U.K., Russian and Chinese anthropologists. Not to mention the AAPA declarations on race.

Lol you retarded mongol joke, its you begin the personal insult, not me, so quit acting as if you are a saint, and ironically most of the studies I quoted is are from international academic studies, so there is nothing speical about that.

Not get lost quite annoying us, there are mongol-wannabe like Korean jokes, to be fair many of them definitely get some of your blood, just by looking at their face, now go annoy them, get lost

[SoonToBeDaddy]

Latest research has split Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese into two seperate ancestries, however due to the Chinese anthropologists and their own political nationalist motives, they have claimed Mongolia, Tibet, East-Turkistan, Korea, and Japan as one "Northern Chinese" race. I don't agree with that, but it's obvious that such claims come from the genetic similarities. That, I can't deny as a Mongol.

I'm sorry you feel that you feel so much hatred against Mongols. Perhaps we should rename the thread, why are Chinese racist against Mongolians? <- As that would be a much more accurate title in this situation.

As for personal insults? It's only a fact that you are trolling hoping to bring more hatred between our two people by typing words from the safety behind a computer screen. And I am not the one who accused the other of being a "wanker". As I have a 1/4 Chinese daughter on the way next month, but for you spreading hate through the internet, perhaps losing your virginity would help solve your personal issues?

[MyEmpireSparta]

Latest research has split Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese into two seperate ancestries, however due to the Chinese anthropologists and their own political nationalist motives, they have claimed Mongolia, Tibet, East-Turkistan, Korea, and Japan as one "Northern Chinese" race. I don't agree with that, but it's obvious that such claims come from the genetic similarities. That, I can't deny as a Mongol.

I'm sorry you feel that you feel so much hatred against Mongols. Perhaps we should rename the thread, why are Chinese racist against Mongolians? <- As that would be a much more accurate title in this situation.

As for personal insults? It's only a fact that you are trolling hoping to bring more hatred between our two people by typing words from the safety behind a computer screen. And I am not the one who accused the other of being a "wanker". As I have a 1/4 Chinese daughter on the way next month, but for you spreading hate through the internet, perhaps losing your virginity would help solve your personal issues?

All the pics I quoted are from latest Chinese gene studies, so your so-called latest mean little.

I dont hate mongol or something, actually I seldom even come here unless there is some topic pissing me off loyally.

I just like to point the thing it actually is:

I bet the Chinese scholars (who knows their ethnics, there are alot of funny minority chinese scholars like to do retard studies to piss the majority Han off, there are too many of them to name) only using their DNA samles within China to study mongolian due to the cost considerations and maybe their other hidden agenda as well.

But just like I have pointed out, the inner mongolian, especilally daur mongolian or whatever name, is a highly mixed one, hardly reprents the true gene pattern of the pure mongolian in outer mongol, etc.

Putting an inner mongolian and an outer-mongolian together, I bet even you can tell the difference between the two since its so obvious.

For those obvious reasons, their study is fundmentally flawed.

Just like I said before to others, you dont try to mess up with our people (I certainly wont like the idea any outsiders try to divide our people) then I get little problem with you guys, peace

This post has been edited by MyEmpireSparta: Jun 8 2009, 07:53 AM

[SoonToBeDaddy]

I understand your views, I didn't like the latest study I read either. Science and politics unfortunately get intertwined from time to time.

In the past I used to believe in our people being of two different races. I still believe that, though the most recent studies have shown admixture. I'd rather we be identified by who we are by individuals in either case. Mongol, or Chinese, I've come to the point in my life where I don't care.

My wife is half Chinese, and already both sides are condemning either her or our daughter. I wish for this to end. In the end, we both bleed red. Judging a baby girl before she is even born... I think both our people should hate such INDIVIDUAL people, not just hate each other's race.

I love my wife, my daughter and our family. Let's hope things will change in the future.

[Suzuka00]

Are you talk the $hit out of your @$$ again? in which world N and Q(an native american marker) has anything to do with Sino-Tibetan?

ALL NOBELMEN IN EARLY CHINESE KINGDOMS ARE EXCLUSIVE O3a5-M-134, so sure they are original Han's marker, now you can get lost

The ancestor of O3a5-M-134 is not from Han Chinese it only developed after the progenitors of O3a5-M-134 assimilated to Huaxia....

[SoonToBeDaddy]

Oh fu-king quit will ya?!
I'm SO F--KING SICK OF THIS HATRED AND DEBATES OVER THIS GENE AND THAT GENE WHICH ONLY REPRESENTS 4% OF OUR HUMAN GENETIC CODE!!!

I DONT GIVE A FLYING F-CK WHAT RACE OR WHAT GENE YOU HAVE, ILL JUDGE YOU BY WHO YOU ARE AS INDIVIDUALS!
This way, NO ONE WILL F-CKING JUDGE MY BABY GIRL BEFORE SHE IS EVEN F-CKING BORN YOU F-CKING SUBHUMAN PRICKS WHO JUDGE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN BORN!!!

BAH! The internet was good, but now it's getting to me, so full of f--king internet warriors and haters.

[kaixin]

Latest research has split Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese into two seperate ancestries, however due to the Chinese anthropologists and their own political nationalist motives, they have claimed Mongolia, Tibet, East-Turkistan, Korea, and Japan as one "Northern Chinese" race. I don't agree with that, but it's obvious that such claims come from the genetic similarities. That, I can't deny as a Mongol.

I'm sorry you feel that you feel so much hatred against Mongols. Perhaps we should rename the thread, why are Chinese racist against Mongolians? <- As that would be a much more accurate title in this situation.

As for personal insults? It's only a fact that you are trolling hoping to bring more hatred between our two people by typing words from the safety behind a computer screen. And I am not the one who accused the other of being a "wanker". As I have a 1/4 Chinese daughter on the way next month, but for you spreading hate through the internet, perhaps losing your virginity would help solve your personal issues?

Please learn some basic biology knowledge,
the yellows in asia can divide into:northern asia type, east asia type, SE asia type.

[kaixin]

The ancestor of O3a5-M-134 is not from Han Chinese it only developed after the progenitors of O3a5-M-134 assimilated to Huaxia....

Are u kidding? who is proto-huaxia? Those aryans?
Sino-tibetan's N belong to N* group the up Y-SNP of those siberia N3

[SoonToBeDaddy]

Please learn some basic biology knowledge,
the yellows in asia can divide into:northern asia type, east asia type, SE asia type.

Yes that's early facts, but not the latest studies - which as both me and MyEmpireSparta has admitted to be possibly flawed as racial science tends to be. You know the Swedish enforced racial science by picking out underdeveloped Russian skulls and claiming them to be "inferior" during their empire days. Anthropological studies have to be combined with history.

Only study I support so far is the plain H.G.P., where we are just humans, end of story. I'm sick of this hatred.

[kaixin]

Yes that's early facts, but not the latest studies - which as both me and MyEmpireSparta has admitted to be possibly flawed as racial science tends to be. You know the Swedish enforced racial science by picking out underdeveloped Russian skulls and claiming them to be "inferior" during their empire days. Anthropological studies have to be combined with history.

Only study I support so far is the plain H.G.P., where we are just humans, end of story. I'm sick of this hatred.

lol,latest studies? From Y-SNP and mtDNA the northern chinese do not relate to u. And they do not think u look like them.
Discussion about DNA is really boring, because everyone just wants to find some superior to the others.

[Suzuka00]

Are u kidding? who is proto-huaxia? Those aryans?
Sino-tibetan's N belong to N* group the up Y-SNP of those siberia N3

I was talking about the Qiangic Nomads dear...

[kaixin]

I was talking about the Qiangic Nomads dear...

If Huaxia existed, then the different between Qiang and Huaxia is just the life style problem.
Peasent or normad, clothes style and hair style.
From the dna test and skull measurement, the Qiang and Huaxia's skull have very little differences. I think maybe huaxia has more O1.

[SoonToBeDaddy]

Different studies show different results, as a Mongol I'd rather not be related to Northern Chinese either. My wife is half-Hokkien Chinese from Singapore, which is southern. But it doesn't matter. DNA is not only boring because people want to feel they are superior by birth (not by their own individual worth, which maybe worthless), but it represents a serious minority of our human genetic code which for some reason we humans like to place priority over the rest. Either way, this topic is about why Mongolians hate Chinese.

We should be discussing what could bring friendship and respect between our two races. What can help both our people accept my daughter as a human being instead of judging her as an abomination before she is even born (she's due next month).

EDIT: Bah, who am I kidding, I'm hanging around immature kids on this forum. Forget it! Looks like I'll be dealing with this in addition to fatherhood, "adults" who act like kids going "this person is this 'race' so he/she is like this", etc. Hell I thought the Anglos and the West were the majority of idiots. Looks like Asians are f--ked up as well.

This post has been edited by SoonToBeDaddy: Jun 8 2009, 08:43 AM

[kaixin]

Different studies show different results, as a Mongol I'd rather not be related to Northern Chinese either. My wife is half-Hokkien Chinese from Singapore, which is southern. But it doesn't matter. DNA is not only boring because people want to feel they are superior by birth (not by their own individual worth, which maybe worthless), but it represents a serious minority of our human genetic code which for some reason we humans like to place priority over the rest. Either way, this topic is about why Mongolians hate Chinese.

We should be discussing what could bring friendship and respect between our two races. What can help both our people accept my daughter as a human being instead of judging her as an abomination before she is even born (she's due next month).

EDIT: Bah, who am I kidding, I'm hanging around immature kids on this forum. Forget it! Looks like I'll be dealing with this in addition to fatherhood, "adults" who act like kids going "this person is this 'race' so he/she is like this", etc. Hell I thought the Anglos and the West were the majority of idiots. Looks like Asians are f--ked up as well.

To me things is easy. In the past we have killed each other for ages. Now just be good neighbours to each other and both sides stoped show superior to each other.

[SoonToBeDaddy]

I understand I may be a minority, fighting for the rights of Chinese people as a Mongol being branded as traitor by my own people, as well as experiencing sheer racism by Chinese people themselves alienating me from the rest of human racial society. Now I fit in nowhere, but I can't stand racism from either side anymore.

Please, try and use me as an example. I'm no saint, if you know me, I used to come here under the alias "Subotai", I used to be racist against Chinese myself, and also against my wife when we just going out. Our daughter who is due next month has changed things, and I love my family deeply.

History is history, both sides have problems. Let's end this. Both of us, even though our voices will probably fall on deaf ears. What matters is what we believe in and what we stand for. We are human beings, and if we must judge, let us judge people on an individual basis, not place a emphasis on each other's racial genetics. We should celebrate our diversity, not use it to inspire hatred against each other.

*sigh* As a father of a 1/4 chinese girl, I guess this gets to me.

[Likeavirgin]

When you get tired of this, my little wanker?

This is the genetic studies regarding gene-distance between different groups in Asia, and among South/North/West/Taiwan Han Chinese:

You have the whole article to this lol? You just seem to post this pic over to say theres not much different. Although don't misunderstand, you are all nothing but Han people to us no matter how you look

If N.Chinese and S.Chinese are not the same race, then there isnt much, if any at all, race in this world existing, now you can get lost, joke.

Awww poor guy lol he thinks N. Chinese consider N. Chinese and S. Chinese are same race (although people see them as all same regardless much like how non-Asian people think korea japan china thailand vietnam laos etc as all the same)

Copyright © 2005 The American Society of Human Genetics Published by Elsevier Inc.

Y-Chromosome Evidence of Southern Origin of the East Asian–Specific Haplogroup O3-M122

Hong Shi1, 2, 6, Yong-li Dong3, Bo Wen4, Chun-Jie Xiao3, Peter A. Underhill5, Pei-dong Shen5, Ranajit Chakraborty7, Li Jin4, 7 and Bing Su1, 2, 7, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author





http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...0bf0e98ce227c79

Chinese consider South han to be Southeast Asian group. I think you should kill yourself for bashing southeast asian because you are one lol. we have here a self hating inferirity complexed southeast asian lol

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 8 2009, 09:45 AM

[MyEmpireSparta]

You have the whole article to this lol? You just seem to post this pic over to say theres not much different. Although don't misunderstand, you are all nothing but Han people to us no matter how you look



Awww poor guy lol he thinks N. Chinese consider N. Chinese and S. Chinese are same race (although people see them as all same regardless much like how non-Asian people think korea japan china thailand vietnam laos etc as all the same)

Copyright © 2005 The American Society of Human Genetics Published by Elsevier Inc.

Y-Chromosome Evidence of Southern Origin of the East Asian–Specific Haplogroup O3-M122

Hong Shi1, 2, 6, Yong-li Dong3, Bo Wen4, Chun-Jie Xiao3, Peter A. Underhill5, Pei-dong Shen5, Ranajit Chakraborty7, Li Jin4, 7 and Bing Su1, 2, 7, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author





http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...0bf0e98ce227c79

Chinese consider South han to be Southeast Asian group. I think you should kill yourself for bashing southeast asian because you are one lol. we have here a self hating inferirity complexed southeast asian lol

Hi little man, first, I was born in Beijing, my mother is from Harerbin, Heilongjiang Province, pretty much the north end of China, so dont get me wrong I am not S.Chinese, Actually I have posted my pics here in AF, nobody accuse me of look SEA even through most of them hate me to death, go ask Asia National for that, joke

Secondly, the paper obviously talks about the locations and has nothing to do with your genetic linkeage, in terms of genetic linkage, ironically even in this partically paper all the ethinic minority's data are sampled in China, just like I have pointed out, the ethnic minority ones in China have been mixed so hard it barely reprenting their true stocks, check the pic of Manchu in China and the Tungus elsewhere you joke.

And we all know academic paper are merely just some theory, you can find all kind of theorys there but the fact dont change one bit:

1, Han Chinese are far smarter than you.
2, Few of them looks like you, and no, even Cantonese, in general, dont looks like you
3, They dominated you so hard economically even in your own country, its not even funny even through most of the Chinese in your own country are from the deep south such as Cantonese and Fujianese, as you wanked, should be your "closed" consin ,you joker.

Quit trying to group you with S.Chinese, dont me laugh, the average IQ of Zhejiangnese is 115, while you get 85, the difference is 2 times larger than black-white IQ gap in the US, its a far cry to say they are the same as you jokers, now get lost

This post has been edited by MyEmpireSparta: Jun 8 2009, 11:48 AM

[MyEmpireSparta]

No matter how hard you try to plays with the words the fact wont change one bit: the difference between intelligence of you and even the most mixed S.Chinese in Guangdong or Fujian, is still larger than the black-white gap, and they (most of whom are landless Cantonese/Fujianese, your supposed "bros") still dominating you economally so hard in your home country, certainly tell you alot of things, you joke