Japanese emperors and people traced back to Filippine and South East A, Sunda Land theory Options

[islandBrother]

late last year and now, people in japan thinks that emperors and their DNAs probably are south east asian, and they migrated to japan through the land bridge during ice age passing through okinawa, and came from taiwan, filippine, vietnam, malaysia, thailand, and indonesia. many similarities found with indonesian, malaysian, vietnamese, and some relatives of emperor (tokugawa household) are now relatives of vietnamese. I know many japanese scholars and people are supporting the contributions from south east asia, and phillipne.

Origin of Imperial House of Japan
http://www.cjapan.net/en/content/origin-imperial-house-japan

another article is helps me.

Imperial family descended from Jomon/Ainu of Japan
http://www.cjapan.net/en/content/imperial-...jomonainu-japan

The History of Japanese Houses
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/virtual/house/house02.html

In ancient Japan, there were essentially two different types of houses. The first was what is known as a pit-dwelling house, in which columns are inserted into a big hole dug in the ground and then surrounded by grass. The second was built with the floor raised above the ground. The style of house with an elevated floor is said to have come to Japan from Southeast Asia, and this type of building was apparently used to store grain and other foods so that they wouldn't spoil from heat and humidity.

This post has been edited by islandBrother: Oct 6 2011, 11:00 PM

[ocrapdm]

The Japanese Emperors TRACE THEIR LINEAGE FROM KOREAN MIGRANTS.

Present-day Japanese emperor Akihito acknowledges his Korean roots. He even said that he "felt kinship with the Koreans".

"I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche," he told reporters." - Emperor Akihito

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/dec/2...n.worlddispatch

[AnybodyKiller]

late last year and now, people in japan thinks that emperors and their DNAs probably are south east asian, and they migrated to japan through the land bridge during ice age passing through okinawa, and came from taiwan, filippine, vietnam, malaysia, thailand, and indonesia. many similarities found with indonesian, malaysian, vietnamese, and some relatives of emperor (tokugawa household) are now relatives of vietnamese. I know many japanese scholars and people are supporting the contributions from south east asia, and phillipne.

Origin of Imperial House of Japan
http://www.cjapan.net/en/content/origin-imperial-house-japan

another article is helps me.

Imperial family descended from Jomon/Ainu of Japan
http://www.cjapan.net/en/content/imperial-...jomonainu-japan

The History of Japanese Houses
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/virtual/house/house02.html

In ancient Japan, there were essentially two different types of houses. The first was what is known as a pit-dwelling house, in which columns are inserted into a big hole dug in the ground and then surrounded by grass. The second was built with the floor raised above the ground. The style of house with an elevated floor is said to have come to Japan from Southeast Asia, and this type of building was apparently used to store grain and other foods so that they wouldn't spoil from heat and humidity.

Yeah, Some Japanese people do look like it though. Probably a lot of them don't want to admit it though cuz they like to think they're better

[islandBrother]

I am Japanese,and many I spoke to are no problems with roots in south east asia, or phillipine.

about koreans, there is one korean concubine who married emperor, she was 10th generation korean-japanese after the korean hostage from korean kingdom naturalized to japan, 1500 years ago.

probably now, 0.000001% of japanese emperor shares korean blood. also, there are one concubine from china, and marriages with the japanese emperor.

But, 99.99999% of emperors blood are south east asian.

[islandBrother]

Yeah, Some Japanese people do look like it though. Probably a lot of them don't want to admit it though cuz they like to think they're better

Tokugawa household, relatives of emperor, and in past chief secretary to emperor, married vietnamese woman. tokugawa is closest to emperor.

japanese emperor and imperial household thinks that they came from south east asia.

[islandBrother]

Russian and western linguist proposed that japanese language is related to some phillipines language, and melanesian. 35% of japanese words are related to phillipines, indonesia, malaysian. grammer is similar to indonesian. it is science.

[Fictionicon]

ive notice when watching old samurai movies, they always say "hoy" when calling somebody.

[austronesian0sai...]

I hate these stupid topics, but I noticed that many of the old shoguns and Samurais were Jomons with body hair and thick beards, I don't think Jomons are necessarily South East Asian or Korean. The Jomons are the Jomons. People should stop trying to claim a history that is not theirs.

[AnybodyKiller]

Tokugawa household, relatives of emperor, and in past chief secretary to emperor, married vietnamese woman. tokugawa is closest to emperor.

japanese emperor and imperial household thinks that they came from south east asia.

That's cool that you're open to the idea. So even the Tokugawa's knew they came from SEA huh?

"Our people are the same it's the map that divides us" -Bambu

[islandBrother]

ive notice when watching old samurai movies, they always say "hoy" when calling somebody.

maybe "hai"? movie uses modern japanese, maybe not a good material

[islandBrother]

many linguists originated austronesian or melanesian origin theory of japanese language.

Yevgeny Polivanov, – January 25, 1938, Soviet linguist
Shichirō Murayama (村山 七郎, - 1995) ,Japanese linguist
P. Benedict

[martin_nuke]

I hate these stupid topics, but I noticed that many of the old shoguns and Samurais were Jomons with body hair and thick beards, I don't think Jomons are necessarily South East Asian or Korean. The Jomons are the Jomons. People should stop trying to claim a history that is not theirs.

Jomons came from the Ainuds which is Australoid and Australoids are have heavy beards.

[islandBrother]

japanese jomons are probably 90% of japanese, and japanese emperors, and came from sunda land of south east asia connected to phillippines.

[islandBrother]

Jomons came from the Ainuds which is Australoid and Australoids are have heavy beards.

I don't know what australoid. but ainu and many modern japanese get heavy beards.

[martin_nuke]

Filipino Aeta men with heavy beards.







This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Sep 28 2011, 12:35 AM

[KraterosHellas]

dude what kind of sick mental masturbation is going on here?? seriously i can't believe half the comments in this thread for its sheer stupidity. we all know the bulk of japanese people come from china and they have some relations to central asia via korea and manchuria and some siberian connections via the ainus. ok maybe they have some SEA connections as well, but it's not noticeable or great. so u gotta stop this absurd theory. nobody is taking u seriously and u're just making fool of urself and the filipinos..

[trismegistos]

dude what kind of sick mental masturbation is going on here?? seriously i can't believe half the comments in this thread for its sheer stupidity. we all know the bulk of japanese people come from china and they have some relations to central asia via korea and manchuria and some siberian connections via the ainus. ok maybe they have some SEA connections as well, but it's not noticeable or great. so u gotta stop this absurd theory. nobody is taking u seriously and u're just making fool of urself and the filipinos..

Here we go again, the obsolete Central Asian homeland theory, a rehashed of the Nazi Eugenics' Ary-Han Invasion Theory.

This post has been edited by trismegistos: Sep 29 2011, 07:55 AM

[KraterosHellas]

Here we go again, the obsolete Central Asian homeland theory, a rehashed of the Nazi Eugenics' Ary-Han Invasion Theory.



A repost from another thread:

that's an exaggeration. this is not about who's superior to who.

This post has been edited by KraterosHellas: Sep 28 2011, 10:00 PM

[trismegistos]

. Glad it is not for you.

Before the war, Right-wing Ultranationalism among AXIS POWERS included VARIOUS propaganda including that which supposedly explained Nazi Aryan connections with the Turks and the Japanese via their common origins in Central Asia, the Aryan homeland. The purer bloods are better than mongrels is one of their concepts. Unfortunately, I know some AFers posing as supremacists believed in such theories albeit in more beneign and diluted forms. Others tend to regard this as the ALTAIC theory which connect the Japonic and Korean languages as related to Turkic although serious linguists and geneticists are questioning the veracity of such theory. Although we have lots of AF people being swayed to accept that as undeniable scientific fact.

The Ainus with genotypes belonging to Haplogroup D they claimed came from Siberia but Haplogroup D just like Haplogroup C and various offshoots of Haplogroup K like Haplogroup O and Haplogroup N all came from Great Coastal Migration or the Southern Route via Southeast Asia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)



Scientific studies are concurring on the SEA or Sundaland(IndoChina and Insular SEA) Origins of East Asians.


Karafet spoke of three to four major migration waves and never mentioned Central Asia as a source of such migration waves.

On the other hand, HUGO Pan Asia SNP said of only one single Major wave of migrations but stil via the Southern Route. In a way they are both right that the Northern Routes is insignificant in terms of Genetic Inluence among East Asians and it is more of a recent phenomenon only during the end of the Glacial period and more pronounced during the recent historical Silk road era. For the most part Central Asia(Gobi desert and Altai mountain ranges) along with the MAJOR GENETIC BARRIER, the HIMALAYAN mountain ranges were generally inhospitable to Human settlement during the Paleolithic Ice Age period. And they concluded Central Asia as more of a HOSTLAND and not homelands of both Caucasoids and Mongoloids. The proof is the GENETIC ADMIXTURES OF GENERALLY NEWER HAPLOTYPES as compared to the older haplotypes like the subclades of the O haplogroup, C and D haplogroups found in Indochina and the rest of Southeast Asia.



Studies done by:
1) Chu et al http://www.pnas.org/content/95/20/11763.fu...ab8f48467d10dcb and
2) Su et al http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1226206/ ...

...also both concluded East Asians came from Southeast via the Southern route and debunked the Northern route(Central Asia homeland) as the major genetic influence relegating it only to a minor genetic influence only.



As for Karafet which I agree for the most part:

First Migration wave, are the offshoots of K haplogroup which settled in Australia and Melanesia. Part of the Great Southern Migration including both companions of K haplo, which are the C and D haplogroups.

Second wave during the time of the Toba eruption created a cool dry desert condition in South Asia which spared much of Australia and Melanesia. Melanesians developed the very first Agriculture of planting rootcrops.

Second wave correspond to the Neonetization most probably started in very cool desert environs in South Asia in POST TOBA ERUPTION. And you have the Southern Mongoloid phenotypes not unlike the Austro-Asiatics in India which started to appear during the Ice Age along with initial no sunlight seasons and death of various vegetations and game animals which killed various genetic lines the so called POPULATION BOTTLENECK. Mongoloid O haplogroup emerges as an offshoot of the initial K haplogroup from the First wave which didn't had the Denisovan mix as the Papuans. Mongoloidization and Neonitization of some offshoots of both C and D haplogroups also occured during this period. Some Australoids like the Ainus migrated UPWARDS OR NORTHWARDS as evidence by the Australoids human fossils found by anthropologists as far north as Beijing. Domestication of plants and animals probably started and matured later on untill and more pronounced on the 3rd wave with the bringing of domesticated jungle fowls and pigs by the Neolithic people.

Third migration wave is the Neolithic migration by certain subgroup of Haplotype O1 which corresponds to the Austronesian expansion due to rising sea levels with the eventual inundation of their Sundaland homeland(IndoChina and Insular SEA) and the mitochnodrial DNA Polynesian motiff accdg to the most recent study proving that this came from Indonesia and Philippines and not from Taiwan or South China. Neolithic Agricultural revolution also started throughout East Asia. MORE Neolithic migrations of the Southern Mongoloids with Sundadonty northwards occured due to the RETREATING ICE GLACIERS DURING THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE away from the catastrophic inundations of SUNDALAND(INDOCHINA OR SEA) produced the Northern mongoloids with Sinodonty.

Fourth is the SOUTHWARD MIGRATION in most recent times due to strife and hunger during the era of various civil wars up north.

A repost from another thread:
FWIW,

which explains why some Nordic Swedes have Asiatic features...

A counter-clockwise northern route of the Y-chromosome haplogroup N from Southeast Asia towards Europe

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v15/n2/full/5201748a.html

Although having variable frequency scales, the spatial distributions for ancestral paragroup NO-M214*, paragroup N-M231* and the prevalent hg O-M175 (Figure 2a, c, d) are generally congruent and highlight Southeast Asia as the most parsimonious source region of these clades. The spread pattern of paragroup NO* approximates the same regions of Southeast Asia as paragroup N*, although being present at an even lower frequency compared with N*18, 19 (data from Kayser et al19 updated in present study). More notable, however, is the fact that the spatial dynamics of the whole N and O haplogroups greatly differ from each other. The split between N* and O is dated to 34.64.7 thousand years (ky). The age of STR variation of hg O in Southeast Asia probably exceeds 26 ky,10 and its numerous subclades currently predominate in southern and southeastern Asia extending into northern China, Manchuria and some Siberian populations,7, 9, 11, 20, 21 as well as westward to the eastern sector of the Indian subcontinent10 and eastward to Oceania.18, 19

This post has been edited by trismegistos: Sep 29 2011, 08:01 AM

[AnybodyKiller]

I'd say MOST Japanese seem to have the NE Asian look regardless of what route taken from Africa.. But some do have SE Asian look. I wouldn't be surprised if certain or even royal families in Japan came from SE Asia which is what the topic is really about.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Sep 29 2011, 05:19 PM