If we had our own Country, homeee Options

[Ties]

I'd be an ultra-nationalist, far left revolutionist, run for office, give my life to the motherland, and devote my soul to the progression of our people and lands....

but sadly that's not the case, i remember asking if we did have our own corrupt little plot of land to call home, would
anyone give up their american citizenship to go and live there, everyone, myself including said no
but now, a little older and dumber, i think i wouldn't mind trying, if only i could
i need a place to call home

what would you guys do?
think of what we could do!?

This post has been edited by Ties: Apr 30 2010, 08:31 PM

[bioshock]

We don't have our own country but we do have America, the best country in the world. Why ponder and waste time?
I think that people need to forget about what we don't have and look at what we do have -- hardworking individuals that want to make their lives and generations after theirs better. And we are succeeding beyond expectations!

If you wanna make progress, really do run and get elected like our Hmong-American politicians or go mainstream into Hollywood. This is how we can gain respect. We've already gotten so far, not to mention we are even adapting better that other ethnic groups, considering how disadvantaged we were initially. Plus I think that Hmong people tend to not clung onto what our old country like others. Pondering and caring about the old country, when you can't even take care of yourself, is just wasting time and unproductive.

To tell you the truth, the only places that really does feel like Hmong country are Hmong cities like the Twin Cities, or densely Hmong populated cities in CA, and XiengKhoung, Laos. In the Twin Cities, you really do see progress happening, it's dubbed "the Hmong capital of the World" because so many Hmong intellectuals, community organizers, and businessmen live there. We have Hmong practically in all fields--two Hmong ladies heading the St. Paul school board, some CEO's heading big corps, not to mention tons of doctors, professionals, and such. We also got a senator and representative.

I think that one day Hmong people will flock to help their brothers in the developing world, especially XiengKhoung. Personally, I think that Laos isn't as progressive as it should be because it doesn't strongly encourage Hmong people to go back and help. Yes, it does encourage Lao people overseas, kind of, but that's just half the help they get from Laotians overseas. That's why you see the Chinese and Vietnamese beginning to dominate that country. As of right now though, the majority of Hmong-Americans are still very hesitant and resistant because they still find the Communist regime deceitful, corrupt, and murderous. Don't ever think about giving up your American citizenship to go live in a third world country, it's useless thinking, use your mind on how you can increase your chances of succeeding here in America.

[hitmonxiong]

why do you still need a place to call home? America is your home. Supposedly land of the free remember? Aren't you Hmong people free people? lol

This post has been edited by hitmonxiong: Apr 30 2010, 09:22 PM

[khuvxim]

We don't have our own country but we do have America, the best country in the world. Why ponder and waste time?
I think that people need to forget about what we don't have and look at what we do have -- hardworking individuals that want to make their lives and generations after theirs better. And we are succeeding beyond expectations!

If you wanna make progress, really do run and get elected like our Hmong-American politicians or go mainstream into Hollywood. This is how we can gain respect. We've already gotten so far, not to mention we are even adapting better that other ethnic groups, considering how disadvantaged we were initially. Plus I think that Hmong people tend to not clung onto what our old country like others. Pondering and caring about the old country, when you can't even take care of yourself, is just wasting time and unproductive.

To tell you the truth, the only places that really does feel like Hmong country are Hmong cities like the Twin Cities, or densely Hmong populated cities in CA, and XiengKhoung, Laos. In the Twin Cities, you really do see progress happening, it's dubbed "the Hmong capital of the World" because so many Hmong intellectuals, community organizers, and businessmen live there. We have Hmong practically in all fields--two Hmong ladies heading the St. Paul school board, some CEO's heading big corps, not to mention tons of doctors, professionals, and such. We also got a senator and representative.

I think that one day Hmong people will flock to help their brothers in the developing world, especially XiengKhoung. Personally, I think that Laos isn't as progressive as it should be because it doesn't strongly encourage Hmong people to go back and help. Yes, it does encourage Lao people overseas, kind of, but that's just half the help they get from Laotians overseas. That's why you see the Chinese and Vietnamese beginning to dominate that country. As of right now though, the majority of Hmong-Americans are still very hesitant and resistant because they still find the Communist regime deceitful, corrupt, and murderous. Don't ever think about giving up your American citizenship to go live in a third world country, it's useless thinking, use your mind on how you can increase your chances of succeeding here in America.

I agree with your comments. We are proud of where we are now.

[AiNamKong]

I'm kind of worried about the future Hmong intention on Laos present and future development. And that of blending the Hmong culture into Laos society would change the amosphere of Laos as a whole. But then the Hmong might use this to over shadow Laos by numbers of Hmong babies boomers! But since both people had been living side by side back in China, I see its going turn out like those of our ancestor with the mix twist of Tai and Hmong culture. Don't know if that is the good or a bad thing.

[khuvxim]

^

No need to worries. The large influx of Chinese immigrants would soon make Loa into a beautiful country like Singapore.

[AiNamKong]

^

No need to worries. The large influx of Chinese immigrants would soon make Loa into a beautiful country like Singapore.

Yay then all Lao will look like Han Chinese.

[lilasiankid]

We don't have our own country but we do have America, the best country in the world. Why ponder and waste time?
I think that people need to forget about what we don't have and look at what we do have -- hardworking individuals that want to make their lives and generations after theirs better. And we are succeeding beyond expectations!

If you wanna make progress, really do run and get elected like our Hmong-American politicians or go mainstream into Hollywood. This is how we can gain respect. We've already gotten so far, not to mention we are even adapting better that other ethnic groups, considering how disadvantaged we were initially. Plus I think that Hmong people tend to not clung onto what our old country like others. Pondering and caring about the old country, when you can't even take care of yourself, is just wasting time and unproductive.

To tell you the truth, the only places that really does feel like Hmong country are Hmong cities like the Twin Cities, or densely Hmong populated cities in CA, and XiengKhoung, Laos. In the Twin Cities, you really do see progress happening, it's dubbed "the Hmong capital of the World" because so many Hmong intellectuals, community organizers, and businessmen live there. We have Hmong practically in all fields--two Hmong ladies heading the St. Paul school board, some CEO's heading big corps, not to mention tons of doctors, professionals, and such. We also got a senator and representative.

I think that one day Hmong people will flock to help their brothers in the developing world, especially XiengKhoung. Personally, I think that Laos isn't as progressive as it should be because it doesn't strongly encourage Hmong people to go back and help. Yes, it does encourage Lao people overseas, kind of, but that's just half the help they get from Laotians overseas. That's why you see the Chinese and Vietnamese beginning to dominate that country. As of right now though, the majority of Hmong-Americans are still very hesitant and resistant because they still find the Communist regime deceitful, corrupt, and murderous. Don't ever think about giving up your American citizenship to go live in a third world country, it's useless thinking, use your mind on how you can increase your chances of succeeding here in America.

[AiNamKong]

I see that Hmong still thinking about Laos? I thought Vang Pao told everyone to forget about Laos and be happy in America?

[lilasiankid]

I see that Hmong still thinking about Laos? I thought Vang Pao told everyone to forget about Laos and be happy in America?

Well, for younger Hmong-Americans like us, Laos was never our homeland so we can't relate to how our parents feel about the country. Mostly it's just the older folks who are too old to really do anything here who really would rather go back to a simpler life in the countryside. The rest are too opportunistic so America is fine....They would however like to visit their old country again or go back for opportunities if given.

Not having our own political nation could also be viewed as a blessing to some. We are born with a different mindset about the world and can experience it as it really is. We already hear enough Hmong complain alot about "Hmoob tsis hlub Hmoob" after our era in Laos and here in the USA...Imagine us going through all the social turmoil other peoples with their own nations have gone through among their own kind...oh how ashamed we would be then. "Home" is not always in the nation one was born in.

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: May 3 2010, 01:20 PM

[AiNamKong]

Well, for younger Hmong-Americans like us, Laos was never our homeland so we can't relate to how our parents feel about the country. Mostly it's just the older folks who are too old to really do anything here who really would rather go back to a simpler life in the countryside. The rest are too opportunistic so America is fine....They would however like to visit their old country again or go back for opportunities if given.

Not having our own political nation could also be viewed as a blessing to some. We are born with a different mindset about the world and can experience it as it really is. We already hear enough Hmong complain alot about "Hmoob tsis hlub Hmoob" after our era in Laos and here in the USA...Imagine us going through all the social turmoil other peoples with their own nations have gone through among their own kind...oh how ashamed we would be then. "Home" is not always in the nation one was born in.

How about that Vang Pao factor? And his people and supporter after he is gone? I think after the natural death of vang Pao in two years, the Hmong reconcile with Laos begin. But that is "If" he dies, but then again his people will still be around collecting money here in America and money would go towards Hmong purpose cause into Laos. I know Laos isn't stupid enough to see that, any games politically are dangerous in Laos nowadays. Plus not all Lao trust the HmongAmerican because so many supported terrorist Vang Pao in America.

[yajthaugluv]

We don't have our own country but we do have America, the best country in the world. Why ponder and waste time?
I think that people need to forget about what we don't have and look at what we do have -- hardworking individuals that want to make their lives and generations after theirs better. And we are succeeding beyond expectations!

If you wanna make progress, really do run and get elected like our Hmong-American politicians or go mainstream into Hollywood. This is how we can gain respect. We've already gotten so far, not to mention we are even adapting better that other ethnic groups, considering how disadvantaged we were initially. Plus I think that Hmong people tend to not clung onto what our old country like others. Pondering and caring about the old country, when you can't even take care of yourself, is just wasting time and unproductive.

To tell you the truth, the only places that really does feel like Hmong country are Hmong cities like the Twin Cities, or densely Hmong populated cities in CA, and XiengKhoung, Laos. In the Twin Cities, you really do see progress happening, it's dubbed "the Hmong capital of the World" because so many Hmong intellectuals, community organizers, and businessmen live there. We have Hmong practically in all fields--two Hmong ladies heading the St. Paul school board, some CEO's heading big corps, not to mention tons of doctors, professionals, and such. We also got a senator and representative.

I think that one day Hmong people will flock to help their brothers in the developing world, especially XiengKhoung. Personally, I think that Laos isn't as progressive as it should be because it doesn't strongly encourage Hmong people to go back and help. Yes, it does encourage Lao people overseas, kind of, but that's just half the help they get from Laotians overseas. That's why you see the Chinese and Vietnamese beginning to dominate that country. As of right now though, the majority of Hmong-Americans are still very hesitant and resistant because they still find the Communist regime deceitful, corrupt, and murderous. Don't ever think about giving up your American citizenship to go live in a third world country, it's useless thinking, use your mind on how you can increase your chances of succeeding here in America.

Because you will whither and disappear from history. Your descendants will just be another black/African that speaks no African. Any achievement or greatness you bring will only go to a country that you feel you're 2nd class citizen. So it's probably worthwhile pondering about things like that.

Frankly, it wouldn't be so bad to have your own rock to stand on even if it's a totalitarian state. But because every inch of land has already been claimed. The only option is artificial land or islands. But Hmong people aren't ambitious enough, as long as they can make a living or live comfortably, they careless about their identity or their independence. Hmong people just don't have a dream... So that will be their demise...

Ainamkong,

Hmong cause in Laos huh? All that dollah going to Laos is helping your Lao brethrens and their mediocre economy there. You should be happy. It's making your Home country rich.

If all Lao people have the same mind set as you, I hope Atlantis can be found someday so we can settle this Hmong cause issue you have.

This post has been edited by yajthaugluv: May 4 2010, 09:49 PM

[AiNamKong]

Because you will whither and disappear from history. Your descendants will just be another black/African that speaks no African. Any achievement or greatness you bring will only go to a country that you feel you're 2nd class citizen. So it's probably worthwhile pondering about things like that.

Frankly, it wouldn't be so bad to have your own rock to stand on even if it's a totalitarian state. But because every inch of land has already been claimed. The only option is artificial land or islands. But Hmong people aren't ambitious enough, as long as they can make a living or live comfortably, they careless about their identity or their independence. Hmong people just don't have a dream... So that will be their demise...

Ainamkong,

Hmong cause in Laos huh? All that dollah going to Laos is helping your Lao brethrens and their mediocre economy there. You should be happy. It's making your Home country rich.

If all Lao people have the same mind set as you, I hope Atlantis can be found someday so we can settle this Hmong cause issue you have.

Vang pao and his elite terrorist have there own underground interest cause in Laos. It is all about Hmong people and formation of a Hmong state to slowly form Laos into a Hmong country. Everyone knows about this, even in Laos to determine that crises is a threat of the country and the unity of protecting Laos motherland.

[ManIeow]

Vang pao and his elite terrorist have there own underground interest cause in Laos. It is all about Hmong people and formation of a Hmong state to slowly form Laos into a Hmong country. Everyone knows about this, even in Laos to determine that crises is a threat of the country and the unity of protecting Laos motherland.

oh baby yes!!!! remember that from last night?

[Manle0w]

Ainamkong

koi huk jao lai
jao huk koi bor

marry me please

[LaoVoice]

^

No need to worries. The large influx of Chinese immigrants would soon make Loa into a beautiful country like Singapore.

Keeps laughing stupid. Ifs it is no meaning to you, why your explain your brother an sisters always bring up these questions to ask? It this question you know your people most insecure about and you am not amuse okay?

[hitmonxiong]

Keeps laughing stupid. Ifs it is no meaning to you, why your explain your brother an sisters always bring up these questions to ask? It this question you know your people most insecure about and you am not amuse okay?

Please be more coherent if you want to convey your blowjob message because we all speak English here... not ghetto Lao

[MyDreams84]

My father asked if I think we Hmong will oneday have our own country. My answer: NO.

In the case that miraculously we were graciously given a piece of land, most likely it'd be landlocked. When a country is landlocked, it will have difficulty economically and eventually politically. Given the way the Hmong society is currently divided in this country (take, for example, opposing views on the GVP situation which separate young from old and one religious group from the other) and given how our parents' generation can't freaking humble themselves down and pass the torche to our generation to carry on (basically, they still want to be "cov coj"), it's just not gonna work out in a new country.

What are our goals if we do have a country of our own?
How will we surpass clan bias/favortisim?
Can we truly be a democratic country?
How do we plan to change our social structure?

The questions go on and on and all some folks think of is that they want a Hmong country and no strategy. My concern is that we will turn out like Africa. Why is there so many wars, protests, militia coupes, rebels, discrimination between tribes, and unstable political systems? It all goes back to when the continent was divided up by England, France, Spain, Germain, etc during the colonism times. The state lines would be smack down in the middle, splitting tribes to separate countries. One country would have a mixture of OPPOSING tribes. After each country claimed its independence and leaders were selected, the political leaders discriminated citizens who were not of their own tribe. Favortism played a role which led to government overthrows, economic disruption, and so on. Any ways... If the Hmong can overcome bias against others not of their own clan (pab kwvtij or hmoob uas tuav tib xeem li yus) and the role of a Hmong woman is closer to equal than how it's been in the past, then we might be ready for a social restructure. Once we accomplish that then maybe we'll be ready to lead a country together.

Any ways... I can go on in more detail to clarify the above.. but simply put, America is my home and no other country will treat me any better. =)

[LadyLauLau]

My father asked if I think we Hmong will oneday have our own country. My answer: NO.

In the case that miraculously we were graciously given a piece of land, most likely it'd be landlocked. When a country is landlocked, it will have difficulty economically and eventually politically. Given the way the Hmong society is currently divided in this country (take, for example, opposing views on the GVP situation which separate young from old and one religious group from the other) and given how our parents' generation can't freaking humble themselves down and pass the torche to our generation to carry on (basically, they still want to be "cov coj"), it's just not gonna work out in a new country.

What are our goals if we do have a country of our own?
How will we surpass clan bias/favortisim?
Can we truly be a democratic country?
How do we plan to change our social structure?

The questions go on and on and all some folks think of is that they want a Hmong country and no strategy. My concern is that we will turn out like Africa. Why is there so many wars, protests, militia coupes, rebels, discrimination between tribes, and unstable political systems? It all goes back to when the continent was divided up by England, France, Spain, Germain, etc during the colonism times. The state lines would be smack down in the middle, splitting tribes to separate countries. One country would have a mixture of OPPOSING tribes. After each country claimed its independence and leaders were selected, the political leaders discriminated citizens who were not of their own tribe. Favortism played a role which led to government overthrows, economic disruption, and so on. Any ways... If the Hmong can overcome bias against others not of their own clan (pab kwvtij or hmoob uas tuav tib xeem li yus) and the role of a Hmong woman is closer to equal than how it's been in the past, then we might be ready for a social restructure. Once we accomplish that then maybe we'll be ready to lead a country together.

Any ways... I can go on in more detail to clarify the above.. but simply put, America is my home and no other country will treat me any better. =)

The last time I checked. The Hmong sometime threaten the innocent Laotian people who has nothing to do with Communist, but in many occasion Hmogn acuse Many of us as a bad apple. Not sure who would thought of this, or maybe it was the older Hmong generation teaching these kids to to hurt themselfs and others. This leads to misunderstanding the indulgent of the younger generation of kids.

[hitmonxiong]

The last time I checked. The Hmong sometime threaten the innocent Laotian people who has nothing to do with Communist, but in many occasion Hmogn acuse Many of us as a bad apple. Not sure who would thought of this, or maybe it was the older Hmong generation teaching these kids to to hurt themselfs and others. This leads to misunderstanding the indulgent of the younger generation of kids.

I know you lock your vehicle's windows and doors when you drive through a low-income neighborhood with Blacks being majority.

Same thing here for Lao people. LOL!!!