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Tfan26
post Oct 8 2009, 05:31 AM
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this was pointless seriously so what if Thai people have Laotian or Cambodian ancestors? they are still Thai it doesn't automatically make them Laotian or cambodian you know.
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post Oct 8 2009, 08:12 PM
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i posted this up before, this is the truth about Thailand. Before Thailand was created from Siam, The ppl were seperated into 2 main groups, NOthern Thailand and Northeast Thailand were called the Lao ppl and the Lao regions, Central Thailand were called Siamese.

After the creation of Thailand, the Government wanted to unite the two groups into one called "Thai", so the government stoped using the term Lao and Siamese to seperate the two groups and united the two terms calling them "Thai."

The Term Thai is orginally used to group Siamese and Lao into one group, because the Central Goverment Knew that Nothern and Northeastern ppl did not consider themselves Siamese, and Central ppl did not consider themselves Lao, so a common name had to be created to unite the two groups, that term is "Thai." Today, ther term Thai is used to refer to all citizens of Thailand, but before it was orginally used to unite the two groups called Lao and Siamese.
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post Oct 9 2009, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 9 2009, 02:12 AM) *
i posted this up before, this is the truth about Thailand. Before Thailand was created from Siam, The ppl were seperated into 2 main groups, NOthern Thailand and Northeast Thailand were called the Lao ppl and the Lao regions, Central Thailand were called Siamese.

After the creation of Thailand, the Government wanted to unite the two groups into one called "Thai", so the government stoped using the term Lao and Siamese to seperate the two groups and united the two terms calling them "Thai."

The Term Thai is orginally used to group Siamese and Lao into one group, because the Central Goverment Knew that Nothern and Northeastern ppl did not consider themselves Siamese, and Central ppl did not consider themselves Lao, so a common name had to be created to unite the two groups, that term is "Thai." Today, ther term Thai is used to refer to all citizens of Thailand, but before it was orginally used to unite the two groups called Lao and Siamese.


that was 60 years ago........................................welcome to 2009 where they are called Thai now.
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post Oct 9 2009, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (Tfan26 @ Oct 9 2009, 05:44 AM) *
that was 60 years ago........................................welcome to 2009 where they are called Thai now.

embarassedlaugh.gif Its a history lesson idiot, you can call youself african it doesnt concern me, this is 2009.

I realize your poor mother had to marry a farang to get out of Thailand and get a better life, and someone like you is not concerned about the culture and lineage of the Thai ppl because your a Mutt.

I do realize that Most ppl who are mixed breed just like yourself are not as concerned about their history, because your history can pretty much be anything, You have No unifying lineage that connects you to anyone or any group of ppl. Such mixed breeds like yourself only can rely on the notion of the future race and the phrase "its 2009." embarassedlaugh.gif

Ur neither Thai, nor english, nor whelsh nor anything else, yet your all of them. How funny, ur have the same mentality of Jek Thai who have no real connection to Thai ppl and Thailand, and they just as you have to make it seem as Thai is nothing more then group of ppl with no history or culture just so you can fit in... embarassedlaugh.gif

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post Oct 10 2009, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 9 2009, 06:57 PM) *
embarassedlaugh.gif Its a history lesson idiot, you can call youself african it doesnt concern me, this is 2009.

I realize your poor mother had to marry a farang to get out of Thailand and get a better life, and someone like you is not concerned about the culture and lineage of the Thai ppl because your a Mutt.

I do realize that Most ppl who are mixed breed just like yourself are not as concerned about their history, because your history can pretty much be anything, You have No unifying lineage that connects you to anyone or any group of ppl. Such mixed breeds like yourself only can rely on the notion of the future race and the phrase "its 2009." embarassedlaugh.gif

Ur neither Thai, nor english, nor whelsh nor anything else, yet your all of them. How funny, ur have the same mentality of Jek Thai who have no real connection to Thai ppl and Thailand, and they just as you have to make it seem as Thai is nothing more then group of ppl with no history or culture just so you can fit in... embarassedlaugh.gif

what was the point of a history lesson? so you can have a pathetic attempt to attack Thailand?

You don't know anything my dad wanted to STAY in Thailand with my mum but after 4 years me, mum went to England with my dad because England is obviously more developed. More developed than Laos, Cambodia and all of them so if you had an oputunity to have a better education then you would obviously take it embarassedlaugh.gif

I obviously am concerned about out culture........................................in the present day embarassedlaugh.gif in not a nazi who lives in the past and rants about it all the time. Which is so sad by the way. Also we are connect DUH to my over ethnic backgrounds i have been to thai temples and christian churchs.

Well i obviously am embarassedlaugh.gif you have never heard of duel herritage before embarassedlaugh.gif i take my shoes off before i go into temples, i always greet the monks, im polite to women and i've learned thai so im just as thai as anybody else in Thailand. You expect the impossible to happen like pure races, pure cultures and pure everything embarassedlaugh.gif yes welcome to 2009 where we have all developed.


Congratulations for making Laos people look stupid.
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post Oct 10 2009, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE (Tfan26 @ Oct 10 2009, 04:11 AM) *
what was the point of a history lesson? so you can have a pathetic attempt to attack Thailand?

You don't know anything my dad wanted to STAY in Thailand with my mum but after 4 years me, mum went to England with my dad because England is obviously more developed. More developed than Laos, Cambodia and all of them so if you had an oputunity to have a better education then you would obviously take it embarassedlaugh.gif

I obviously am concerned about out culture........................................in the present day embarassedlaugh.gif in not a nazi who lives in the past and rants about it all the time. Which is so sad by the way. Also we are connect DUH to my over ethnic backgrounds i have been to thai temples and christian churchs.

Well i obviously am embarassedlaugh.gif you have never heard of duel herritage before embarassedlaugh.gif i take my shoes off before i go into temples, i always greet the monks, im polite to women and i've learned thai so im just as thai as anybody else in Thailand. You expect the impossible to happen like pure races, pure cultures and pure everything embarassedlaugh.gif yes welcome to 2009 where we have all developed.


Congratulations for making Laos people look stupid.

He is a lao American, a dude with inferior complex symptoms. Last time he even tried to cliam an ownership over Lanna and talked crap over a real Lanna person. embarassedlaugh.gif
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QUOTE (Tfan26 @ Oct 10 2009, 04:11 AM) *
what was the point of a history lesson? so you can have a pathetic attempt to attack Thailand?

You don't know anything my dad wanted to STAY in Thailand with my mum but after 4 years me, mum went to England with my dad because England is obviously more developed. More developed than Laos, Cambodia and all of them so if you had an oputunity to have a better education then you would obviously take it embarassedlaugh.gif

I obviously am concerned about out culture........................................in the present day embarassedlaugh.gif in not a nazi who lives in the past and rants about it all the time. Which is so sad by the way. Also we are connect DUH to my over ethnic backgrounds i have been to thai temples and christian churchs.

Well i obviously am embarassedlaugh.gif you have never heard of duel herritage before embarassedlaugh.gif i take my shoes off before i go into temples, i always greet the monks, im polite to women and i've learned thai so im just as thai as anybody else in Thailand. You expect the impossible to happen like pure races, pure cultures and pure everything embarassedlaugh.gif yes welcome to 2009 where we have all developed.


Congratulations for making Laos people look stupid.

your an obvious idiot, At what point did i attack Thailand, I taught Thai ppl a lesson on their own history, so take that as it is. Thailand in general is a combination of Lao and Siamese regions, you can call Siamese hybrids all you want, and that is why the siamese were seen different from the ppl of Lanna, Lanxang, Sukothai, and Pitsanulok.

What is your culture, you have no culture, your a hybrid, neither Thai, English, or anything else is really your culture. Again, you so happy to say its 2009 because you a mutt with no true lineage, Dont try to dispose of the Tai/Lao heritage because you a bit mixed up. embarassedlaugh.gif

Your the only person that looks like an idiot, you have no clue what is Thai or anything else in your little hyrbrid world. embarassedlaugh.gif

Yeah, i have been to temples and churches myself, so what? embarassedlaugh.gif i said hi to a preist and preachers manytimes before? what does that have anything to do with anything moron. So what if your dad was a farang tourist who met up with you mum in Pattaya? thats how most of your kind get born anyway embarassedlaugh.gif
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post Oct 11 2009, 09:31 AM
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Phra Naresuan is a hybrid Siamese. Just like many of our Kings, He united His people together as one big family.Siamese/Thai have integrated and created our own culture and identity. Approved by all reliable historians and scholars....

Sukhothai and Ayuttaya also related as family through the royal court of Khumpangpethch.

King RamaI is a hybrid Siamese. He's a mixed of Tai/Mon/Chinese. King Rama IV reported that His great grandfather ;Phra Aksornsunthorn, is the descendent of the half Mon/Tai nobles; Phraya Gosaphan, during the reign of Phra Narai. Phraya Gosaphan's paternal side is Mon whom migrated to Siam with Phra Narate, while his mother was King PraNari's nanny;a princes from Phraruang lineage.

We hybrid Siamese/Thai have our own culture and customs reconized by every reliable historian and scholars.... beerchug.gif

The most important thing is we Thai from north till south are genetically and culturally related....And it took us such a long time to united as " one big Thai family".

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post Oct 11 2009, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (PeaceMan @ Oct 11 2009, 10:31 AM) *
Phra Naresuan is a hybrid Siamese. Just like many of our Kings, He united His people together as one big family.Siamese/Thai have integrated and created our own culture and identity. Approved by all reliable historians and scholars....

Sukhothai and Ayuttaya also related as family through the royal court of Khumpangpethch.

King RamaI is a hybrid Siamese. He's a mixed of Tai/Mon/Chinese. King Rama IV reported that His great grandfather ;Phra Aksornsunthorn, is the descendent of the half Mon/Tai nobles; Phraya Gosaphan, during the reign of Phra Narai. Phraya Gosaphan's paternal side is Mon whom migrated to Siam with Phra Narate, while his mother was King PraNari's nanny;a princes from Phraruang lineage.

We hybrid Siamese/Thai have our own culture and customs reconized by every reliable historian and scholars.... beerchug.gif

The most important thing is we Thai from north till south are genetically and culturally related....And it took us such a long time to united as " one big Thai family".

First it took 60 years to unite as "One Big Thai Family." Before 60 years, Lanna, Pitsanulok, and Esarn Region was "One Big Lao Family." lower central Thailand was "One Big Siamese Family." Please dont get the regions mixed up.

Phra Naresuan was Lao through his Fathers Side, his mother was Siamese, sure if you say so, I wont argue that his mother was Siamese but his Father was Lao.

We know the Child takes the identity from his fathers side, just as Samsanthai was a Lao King even though his mother was a Khmer princess. King Naresuan was Lao through his fathers lineage.

Ayutthya was mostly a Siamese Kingdom that incorperated Lao regions like Pitsanulok and Lanna. even King Naresuan when talking about the Lao, did not distinguish between the ppl of Lao Lanna, Lao lanxang, or Lao Pitsanulok. thats just pure fact in the chronicles of Ayutthya during the Reign of King Neresuan. So King Nuresuan himself referred to his Home Kingdom of Pitsanulok as a Lao region.
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Thanks sono ,If the history on the Mawn is more clear we would know our history more. If I find some things new I will post it more.
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QUOTE (AEROFORCE1 @ Oct 19 2009, 01:01 AM) *
Thanks sono ,If the history on the Mawn is more clear we would know our history more. If I find some things new I will post it more.


But you're a Jek from Hong Kong. LOL
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QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 11 2009, 08:14 PM) *
First it took 60 years to unite as "One Big Thai Family." Before 60 years, Lanna, Pitsanulok, and Esarn Region was "One Big Lao Family." lower central Thailand was "One Big Siamese Family." Please dont get the regions mixed up.

Phra Naresuan was Lao through his Fathers Side, his mother was Siamese, sure if you say so, I wont argue that his mother was Siamese but his Father was Lao.

We know the Child takes the identity from his fathers side, just as Samsanthai was a Lao King even though his mother was a Khmer princess. King Naresuan was Lao through his fathers lineage.

Ayutthya was mostly a Siamese Kingdom that incorperated Lao regions like Pitsanulok and Lanna. even King Naresuan when talking about the Lao, did not distinguish between the ppl of Lao Lanna, Lao lanxang, or Lao Pitsanulok. thats just pure fact in the chronicles of Ayutthya during the Reign of King Neresuan. So King Nuresuan himself referred to his Home Kingdom of Pitsanulok as a Lao region.


According to King Ramkhumheang Himself, both Sukhothai and Pitsanulok was not a Lao region.King Naresuan never said anything about Pitsanulok was Lao. He never once said anything about being Lao.

since 13C, Sukhothai and Pitsanulok was considered Siamese by Chinese and Cambodian records. King Naresuan born after 13C as a Siamese noble man.He's surely a hybrid Siamese,just like most of His people in Sri Ayuttaya.Beside his Siamese blood; He also lived , spoke and died as a Siamese of Sri Ayuttaya.


Phra Naresuan was a Siamese.The Burmese chronicle and the book from David K. Wyatt confirmed His Siamese identity.....Their words against a nonexpert like yours...

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QUOTE (AnKoRiaN1 @ Jul 10 2009, 10:46 PM) *
In Khmer we call people who live in thailand thai and the citizen of the past siem

An we do not believe to group of people is the same group.

We respect so much on "siem" But thai.
siem is was dumb but thai was dumber

If you research on the history of siem. They existed in early 1400, meaning theyre only a 600 year old country.
Theyre a bunch of Chinese rejects, lost they're country and ran away like cowards.
So basically the siems are a bunch of failures.


Siem slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer's. They Drop all there chinese heritage and adopt whats better the Khmer's.
Building temple just like Khmer. Starting by caves near mountain. And when the siem barbarians was human enough they made there way into the city. WIth all the Khmer knowledge.

The structure of siem was like Khmer. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in Khmer because of the influence from Budhist.

The thai had a very weak link with the Old "Khmer". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The siem in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the successor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why thai is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorious day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khmer".

That is why khmer pay some respect on siem never thai.

Cant believe Khmer raised a dog that bite its own owner

ไม่รู้ว่าจริงหรือเปล่า คำว่าสยาม(เสียม)นั้น เป็นภาษาบาลีสันสกฤษแปลว่า ดำ มันเป็นคำที่ใช้เรียกคนสกุลไท-ลาวกลุ่มหนึ่งมันเป็นคำของกัมพูชาโบราณที่ใว้ใช้ดูถูก โดยหมายถึงพวกป่าเถื่อนไร้อารยะ
พอสยามมีอารยะขึ้นมาคำว่าขแมร์(เขมร)ที่น่าภูมิใจในปัจจุบันมีค่าเทียบเคียงกับสยามในอดีตนั่นแหละ
สยามในปัจจุบันหมายถึงผู้คนที่ผิวเหมือนทอง
พวกกัมพูชาโบราณไม่เคยให้เกียรติคนสยามเลยซ้ำยังดูถูก ทำกับสยามเหมือนกับทาส สยามจึงปลดแอกออกมาไง
ชาวกัมพูชาโบราณก็เหย่อหยิ่งเหมือนกับคนไทยมองเขมรในปัจจุบันนั่นแหละ
ส่วนเรื่องสถาปัตยกรรมผมยอมรับว่าสยามนั่นรับจากเขมรมาเต็มตอนเริ่มสร้างอาณาจักร และเริ่มมีการเปลียนแปลงจนแยกออกมาเป็นสถาปัตยกรรมของสยามเองและเขมรเองก็รับสถาปัตยกรรมสยามมาชนิดที่เรียกว่าถอดด้ามกันออกมา ไม่น่าเชื่อใช่ไหมให้ลองไปดูเอาเองว่าพระบรมมหาราชวังกับพระที่เขมรินทร์ว่าเหมือนกันหนั่งกับฝาแฝด ฉะนั้นขอให้ชาวเขมรระลึกไว้ว่าสิ่งที่กำลังมีกำลังใช้ในปัจจุบันคือวิทยาการที่กลุ่มสยามประเทศสั่งสมไว้ในอดีต
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QUOTE (poryod @ Nov 2 2009, 01:41 AM) *
ไม่รู้ว่าจริงหรือเปล่า คำว่าสยาม(เสียม)นั้น เป็นภาษาบาลีสันสกฤษแปลว่า ดำ มันเป็นคำที่ใช้เรียกคนสกุลไท-ลาวกลุ่มหนึ่งมันเป็นคำของกัมพูชาโบราณที่ใว้ใช้ดูถูก โดยหมายถึงพวกป่าเถื่อนไร้อารยะ
พอสยามมีอารยะขึ้นมาคำว่าขแมร์(เขมร)ที่น่าภูมิใจในปัจจุบันมีค่าเทียบเคียงกับสยามในอดีตนั่นแหละ
สยามในปัจจุบันหมายถึงผู้คนที่ผิวเหมือนทอง
พวกกัมพูชาโบราณไม่เคยให้เกียรติคนสยามเลยซ้ำยังดูถูก ทำกับสยามเหมือนกับทาส สยามจึงปลดแอกออกมาไง
ชาวกัมพูชาโบราณก็เหย่อหยิ่งเหมือนกับคนไทยมองเขมรในปัจจุบันนั่นแหละ
ส่วนเรื่องสถาปัตยกรรมผมยอมรับว่าสยามนั่นรับจากเขมรมาเต็มตอนเริ่มสร้างอาณาจักร และเริ่มมีการเปลียนแปลงจนแยกออกมาเป็นสถาปัตยกรรมของสยามเองและเขมรเองก็รับสถาปัตยกรรมสยามมาชนิดที่เรียกว่าถอดด้ามกันออกมา ไม่น่าเชื่อใช่ไหมให้ลองไปดูเอาเองว่าพระบรมมหาราชวังกับพระที่เขมรินทร์ว่าเหมือนกันหนั่งกับฝาแฝด ฉะนั้นขอให้ชาวเขมรระลึกไว้ว่าสิ่งที่กำลังมีกำลังใช้ในปัจจุบันคือวิทยาการที่กลุ่มสยามประเทศสั่งสมไว้ในอดีต

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not sure if its the truth or not. The word "Siamese" is from bali-sansakrit language meaning 'black" its a word to call tai-lao ppl group ,it was also spoken by khmer to insult someone which means vandalism and uncivilize . When Siam is civilized, the word "khmaer"(khmer) which is proudly in present day has the same purpose as Simese in the past.
Siamese 's definition in present day means Yellow-Gold skin people.
Khmer in the past never respect Siamese but insult them too. Considering Siamese as slave, thats why siamese declared their independence.
Ancient khmer ppl was brief arrogant like what Thai people still consider them in the present day.
And about the architectures, I agree that Siamese fully used the architec of constructing kingdom from Khmer Empire but later on Siamese applied into a new style for themselve and Khmer also received Siamese Art and Architec exactly the same ! unbelievable ? take a look for urself that the Grand Palace and the khmerin buddha statue look exactly the same as twin ! So khmer people should keep in mind that the stuff that u r using in present day come from Siamese culture that gained from the past.
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QUOTE (BestRice @ Nov 3 2009, 08:52 PM) *
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not sure if its the truth or not. The word "Siamese" is from bali-sansakrit language meaning 'black" its a word to call tai-lao ppl group ,it was also spoken by khmer to insult someone which means vandalism and uncivilize . When Siam is civilized, the word "khmaer"(khmer) which is proudly in present day has the same purpose as Simese in the past.
Siamese 's definition in present day means Yellow-Gold skin people.
Khmer in the past never respect Siamese but insult them too. Considering Siamese as slave, thats why siamese declared their independence.
Ancient khmer ppl was brief arrogant like what Thai people still consider them in the present day.
And about the architectures, I agree that Siamese fully used the architec of constructing kingdom from Khmer Empire but later on Siamese applied into a new style for themselve and Khmer also received Siamese Art and Architec exactly the same ! unbelievable ? take a look for urself that the Grand Palace and the khmerin buddha statue look exactly the same as twin ! So khmer people should keep in mind that the stuff that u r using in present day come from Siamese culture that gained from the past.


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ไม่แน่ใจว่าจริงหรือไม่. คำว่า "สยาม" มาจากบาหลี-ความหมายภาษา sansakrit 'ดำ "คำเพื่อเรียกไท-ลาวกลุ่ม ppl ก็ถูกพูดโดยเขมรไปดูถูกคนซึ่งหมายความว่าป่าเถื่อนและ uncivilize. เมื่อสยามเป็นอารยะคำว่า" khmaer "(เขมร) ซึ่งเป็นวันภูมิใจในปัจจุบันมีวัตถุประสงค์เดียวกัน Simese ในอดีต.
สยาม 's หมายในวันปัจจุบันหมายถึงเหลืองทองคนผิว.
เขมรในอดีตไม่เคยเคารพสยามแต่ดูถูกเขาเกินไป. พิจารณาสยามเป็นทาส, thats ทำไมสยามประกาศเอกราชของพวกเขา.
Ppl เขมรโบราณถูกย่อหยิ่งเหมือนสิ่งที่คนไทยยังคงพิจารณาได้ในวันปัจจุบัน.
และสถาปัตยกรรมเกี่ยวกับฉันยอมรับว่าสยามเต็มใช้ architec การสร้างอำนาจจากเขมรจักรวรรดิแต่ภายหลังในสยามใช้เป็นสไตล์ใหม่สำหรับ themselve และเขมรยังได้รับสยามศิลปะและ Architec ว่ากัน! ไม่น่าเชื่อ? จะมองหา urself ที่พระบรมมหาราชวังและพระพุทธรูป khmerin มองว่าเหมือนคู่! เพื่อให้ผู้เขมรควรทราบว่าสิ่งที่ ur ใช้ในวันปัจจุบันมาจากวัฒนธรรมของประเทศไทยที่ได้จากอดีต.
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post Nov 5 2009, 04:01 AM
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QUOTE (bankchabi @ Nov 3 2009, 09:20 PM) *
แปลปะกิดเป็นไทยอีกครั้ง
ให้เสียงภาษาไทยโดย Bankchabi
ไม่แน่ใจว่าจริงหรือไม่. คำว่า "สยาม" มาจากบาหลี-ความหมายภาษา sansakrit 'ดำ "คำเพื่อเรียกไท-ลาวกลุ่ม ppl ก็ถูกพูดโดยเขมรไปดูถูกคนซึ่งหมายความว่าป่าเถื่อนและ uncivilize. เมื่อสยามเป็นอารยะคำว่า" khmaer "(เขมร) ซึ่งเป็นวันภูมิใจในปัจจุบันมีวัตถุประสงค์เดียวกัน Simese ในอดีต.
สยาม 's หมายในวันปัจจุบันหมายถึงเหลืองทองคนผิว.
เขมรในอดีตไม่เคยเคารพสยามแต่ดูถูกเขาเกินไป. พิจารณาสยามเป็นทาส, thats ทำไมสยามประกาศเอกราชของพวกเขา.
Ppl เขมรโบราณถูกย่อหยิ่งเหมือนสิ่งที่คนไทยยังคงพิจารณาได้ในวันปัจจุบัน.
และสถาปัตยกรรมเกี่ยวกับฉันยอมรับว่าสยามเต็มใช้ architec การสร้างอำนาจจากเขมรจักรวรรดิแต่ภายหลังในสยามใช้เป็นสไตล์ใหม่สำหรับ themselve และเขมรยังได้รับสยามศิลปะและ Architec ว่ากัน! ไม่น่าเชื่อ? จะมองหา urself ที่พระบรมมหาราชวังและพระพุทธรูป khmerin มองว่าเหมือนคู่! เพื่อให้ผู้เขมรควรทราบว่าสิ่งที่ ur ใช้ในวันปัจจุบันมาจากวัฒนธรรมของประเทศไทยที่ได้จากอดีต.

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ของผมแปลสดตามฟามรุ้ที่มี นานเหมือนกาน >.<
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post Nov 5 2009, 04:30 AM
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QUOTE (BestRice @ Nov 5 2009, 04:01 PM) *
google translate สินะออกมาแนวนี้ biggrin.gif
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ของผมแปลสดตามฟามรุ้ที่มี นานเหมือนกาน >.<


ถูกคับ มันเป็นโปรแกรมระดับชั้นเทพเจ้าคับ ยิ่งแปลที่ไอ้พวกลาวเขมรมันเขียนมายิ่งขำ
ปล.ผมแปลแป๊บเดียวเอง ฮี่ๆๆ
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QUOTE (bankchabi @ Nov 5 2009, 05:30 AM) *
ถูกคับ มันเป็นโปรแกรมระดับชั้นเทพเจ้าคับ ยิ่งแปลที่ไอ้พวกลาวเขมรมันเขียนมายิ่งขำ
ปล.ผมแปลแป๊บเดียวเอง ฮี่ๆๆ

เฮ้อผมไม่ชอบตอบแบบอังกฤษ เด๋วจะทำไห้เข้าใจผิด
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post Nov 18 2009, 01:03 AM
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คนเขมรส่วนมากจะไม่ค่อยรู้หรอกว่าวัฒนธรรมที่เขมรใช้อยู่ในปัจจุบันนั้นเป็นวัฒนธรรมสยาม วัฒนธรรมกัมพูชาโบราณสูญสลายไปเกือบหมด ในยุคต้นกรุงรัตนโกสินทร์เขมรรับไปเต็มตั้งแต่การแต่งการของสามัญชน จนไปถึงระบอบราชากษัตริย์เขมรสมัยนั่นโปรดที่จะพูดเป็นภาษาไทยและมีนางรำจากสยามเข้าไปสอนราชสำนักเขมรมากมาย และอีกครั้งที่วัฒนธรรมเขมรต้องล่มสลายเมือก่อเกิดกำเขมรแดง มีศิลปะการร่ายรำเพิ่งอย่างเดียวตกทอดหลงเหลือ แล้วประเทสอะไรที่วัฒนธรรมใกล้เคียงกับเขมร ลาวคู่พยาบาทหรือ...ไม่ลาวมีเอกลักษณ์เฉพาะตัวเกินไปถึงจะมีวัฒนธรรมเขมรปนอยู่ก็เถอะ เวียดนามคู่แค้นหรือ...ไม่เวียดนามรับวัฒนธรรมจีนเข้ามา สยามคู่อาฆาตล่ะ...มีวัฒนธรรมเขมรเยอะที่สุดรับวัฒนธรรมจากเขมรโบราณอย่างเปี่ยมล้นแต่มีเอกลักษณ์เป็นของตัวเองแล้ว เขมรจะเลือกใคร??? คำตอบนั่นผมว่าพวกคุณได้เห็นแล้ว
ทำไมรำเขมรถึงเหมือนกับรำไทย?????
ทำไมการแต่งกายชุดประจำชาติในปัจจุบันถึงได้เหมือนกัน???
เครื่องดนตรีเรียกเหมือนกัน???
วรรณกรรมเหมือนกัน???
สยามภูมิใจไหมที่ลอกของคนอื่น คำตอบไม่ภูมิครับแต่...ภูมิใจที่วัฒนธรรมสยามนั้นหลั่งไหลกลับไปยังจุดเดิมที่สยามรับมันมา
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