why do mongolians hate chinese? Options

[Likeavirgin]

Taiwanese people are not aboriginals... This is quite an absurd statement because according to official governmental statistics, 98% of Taiwan's population is made up of Han Chinese, while 2% are Taiwanese aborigines. The composite category of "Taiwanese people" is often reputed by many Taiwanese to include a significant population of at least four constituent ethnic groups: the Hoklo (70%), the Hakka (15%), Mainlander (13%), and Taiwanese Aborigines (2%). This would explain why the Hokkien language is spoken by 70% of Taiwan's population.

Who is that reported by? Many of them if they trace their lineages have mixed with aboriginals, that does not mean i said they are aboriginals. That's what I got from many Taiwanese.

[Shyn]

"Any aboriginal's miscegenation to the gene pool is probably minimal and neglegent at best due to the fact that Chinese's culture predominates and basically annihilate most native's influence. Likewise the same situation can be apply to the White Americans and Native Americans, are the Caucasians of the United State today impure? =P Highly and improbably not." For the most part anyways.

These facts are reported by:
- Copper, John (2003). Taiwan: Nation State or Province? (Fourth Edition). Boulder, CO: Westview press
- Hsiao, A-Chin (2004). Contemporary Taiwanese Cultural Nationalism. London: Routledge Press.

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 07:59 PM

[Likeavirgin]

Tibet and Xinjiang may not love being under Chinese but you cannot deny what Chinese rule have had a positive effect on their formerly feudal and primitive society. China have drastically modernized these areas and increased the life expectancy and quality of life for these people. Are you sugessting that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are better off living in a theocracy where slavery are praticed and people generally don't live past the age of 40? Chinese's rule is for the better and it is justified because these "tribes" and their rulers submitted their suzerainty and dependency to China Qing's dynasty and thus as a successor state, the PRC and/or the ROC have sovereignty over these regions unless they want to revolt and gain their own independence in which all their attempts have ended in failure.

Speaking of which, you made the point "that Mongolians do not like Communism and living under a corrupt government and country that discriminates and tries to 'ethnically cleanse' them. I think for Mongolians, their best interest is for independence and sovereignty." If the Chinese government discrminates the Mongols people and Mongolian people so much then why does all street signs must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese? Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actually Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)? I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preseved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actually Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of "Communism". But then again, Mongolia was a Soviet satillite for a long period in the past with a kremlin style of government under the Russian's ubiquitous influence. Don't be like that pot that called the kettle black.

Hong Kong and Singapore was under British rule at some point, would you like it to be the same? China turned communist to have fate over their own country, despite being poor. That point is moot especially considering sovereign nations want to be ruled by their own, not by foreigners. Hypocrisy on China's part.

Besides from the clothes, the people in your pictures look pretty much what Northern Chinese, and Koreans/Japanese would normally look like, nothing special nor disguishable.

They don't. Possibly at the one odd extreme, but the average Northern or Southernj Han does not look like that without mixture. I've seen some Beijingers who could pass for Filipino, but you do think that North Chinese are generally more distinguishable than Filipino, right? Answer this, do you seek solidarity with Filipinos too.

If they look much different then that would be weird because it's like saying the Swedish, Norwegians, and Dannish are different in appearance than the English, Celtics, and Germans.

It's more like Nordics differing from the Alpinics differing from the Slavs. What do you think of Southeast Asians and their relation to Han Chinese. Tell me, I'm dying to know.

Where exactly is central China? Isn't that pretty close to Inner Mongolia and Ulaanbator? Xi'an and Beijing (being capitals and heartlands of China for most of the important times) are not that far from Mongolian's territories... And the Khitans, Jurchens, Yuans, Turks and Manchus have occupied Northern China for plenty of lengthy ocassions and historical dynastic periods, and we all know well that they assimilate without any real obstacle so... you do the science and math. I find it funny that you said Mongols share a common origin with the Tungus which is basically like the Manchurians and the Manchus and their offshoots have generally been assimilated into mainstream Chinese society and that to mention that there was a Mongolian and Manchurian led dynasty in Chinese history considered to be pivotal periods to many. The Chinese is not one monotonous race due to its vast population/territory and a lengthy history of migration/mixing with other groups of people not indigenous to "China" so only one racial classication cannot be applicable.

And how could it be that the Chinese are genetically closest to Southeast Asians when the Central Kingdom's ancestral home is all the way at Shaanxi which is the core provinces of northern China? Shaanxi is considered one of the cradles of Chinese civilization. Thirteen feudal dynasties established their capitals in the province during a span of more than 1,100 years, from the Zhou Dynasty to the Tang Dynasty. Interestingly enough, Shaanxi bordered Inner Mongolia.

If you wanna look at a map of China, excluding Manchukuo and Inner mongolia, here it is, you figure out where South China (Not central) and Southeast Asia is, because that's where the Han haplogroup (O3) derived from. China borders Mongolia, but it also borders Southeast Asia.




Southern origin of Han Chinese:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...0bf0e98ce227c79

Japanese, Korean scientists also place Han Chinese closer to the Southeast Asian clusters:

http://sayer.lab.nig.ac.jp/~saitou/paper-p...moto_AJPA97.pdf

http://www.genekotech.com/dnatype/lab/pdf/Shin2000.pdf

The Malays are not related to the Chinese because they look too much different. Just look at any Cambodians and Indonesians then you can automically tell, it's that obvious and it is not only just the outward appearance that matter but it's their culture too as well. As demonstrated by the Vietnamese people, having been greatly sinicized and was once Chinese's territory for more than 1000 years are not at all different to the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese culturally or physically. Mongolia has strong Tibetan and Chinese cultural influence both in their tradition and legacy.

Cambodians and Indonesians are a different subrace but still the same race with Chinese, much like Mongolians and Tungus are a different subrace.

Cambodians:





Mongolians:





Han Chinese:





All the same mongoloid race so that's why you see similarity, but different subraces (tungusics don't look Han or Cambodian. Chinese don't look Tungusic or Cambodian. Cambodians don't look Han or Tungusic)

Tawainese do considered themselves to be Chinese, hence the Republic of China. If anything, they even considered themselves to be more Chinese than the mainland because they tend to uphold trational Chinese values such as Confucianism and sinographic callligraphic better, free from the twists and turns of Communist's reforms. Taiwanese do want to be an independent country only because their actual heartland in the mainland are ruled by their political enemies (Chinese civil war anyone?). They want all of China to be one under the Republic of China of course.

The leaders consider them Taiwanese. How many Taiwanese support sovereignty?

Also: Tibet Facts

[Likeavirgin]

"Any aboriginal's miscegenation to the gene pool is probably minimal and neglegent at best due to the fact that Chinese's culture predominates and basically annihilate most native's influence. Likewise the same situation can be apply to the White Americans and Native Americans, are the Caucasians of the United State today impure? =P Highly and improbably not." For the most part anyways.

These facts are reported by:
- Copper, John (2003). Taiwan: Nation State or Province? (Fourth Edition). Boulder, CO: Westview press
- Hsiao, A-Chin (2004). Contemporary Taiwanese Cultural Nationalism. London: Routledge Press.

Are these men reunificationists? Because Taiwanese (separatists) would do anything to remove links from PRC China, and want to be governed by themselves, not by people who deem them impure.

Study Finds Most Hoklo, Hakka have Aboriginal genes, study finds

[Likeavirgin]

Ma's disparaging remarks about the indigenous ethnic

maosoleotardy, hellothar, this remind anyone of the White people and native Americans?

[Shyn]

There is only one way to resolve this, what is the major different between Northern Chinese/Koreans/Japanese people and the Mongols? The Nose? Eyes perhaps? Skin colors? If they are indeed two different race then their features should obvious be much much more different but I frankly see no real differences in all of these pictures you showed, so it would be more clear for you to just simply state them like it is.

Since you're dying to know what I think of Southeast Asians and their relation to Han Chinese despite the fact that I have already stated my point of view. Southeast Asian like the Cambodians, Malays, Filipinos, and Indonesians tends to have bigger eyes with double eyelids, a flat wide nose, much darker skin tones and hair that it isn't as straight, sometimes curly or "kinky". No Beijingers could possibly pass for a Filipino unless that Filipino have Chinese features due to admixture. I mean, come on, people from Beijing and North China have eyes that are so small like the Mongols, Koreans, and Japanese. While the Filipino have eyes that are double eyelidded and much more roud as oppose to being "slanted". It's like this -.- to this o.o

Northern China and especially Shaanxi only boders Mongolian's territories. I don't know what you are talking about being closed to Southeast Asia. It takes about 7 to 8 hours of flight time to get from Beijing to Kualar Lumpur for crying out loud. Did you just tripple post? And how could the Hakka or Hokkien have a high admixture of aboriginal's blood from Taiwan? They were originately from Northern China but migrated south due to political turmoil... Hence the word Hakka means "guest people".

I can say this without a doubt that the Chinese from the mainland do not consider Taiwanese to be unracially impure. Your anecdote and urban legend are just mere slanders. They may have other negative stereotypes but not "racially tainted", that is just so hogwashy. XD

By the way, in the pictures above of yours. It would appear that the Mongols are darker than the Chinese and Cambodians especially the men. O.O;

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 08:45 PM

[Likeavirgin]

There is only one way to resolve this, what is the major different between Northern Chinese/Koreans/Japanese people and the Mongols? The Nose? Eyes perhaps? Skin colors? If they are indeed two different race then their features should obvious be much much more different but I frankly see no real differences in all of these pictures you showed, so it would be more clear for you to just simply state them like it is.

The bone structure, face shape, lips. You know that race isn't just about skin color mauso or Donald Trump's wife would be asian too. You really think Chinese look like Tungus? (Koreans look more like them):







Distinct Korean looks:





Average North chinese:





Compare averaged Korean (North Asian features) to averaged Chinese woman:



Obvious difference. Koreans are more related to Tungusics than Chinese in my opinion, when you compare their distinct/averaged looks.

Since you're dying to know what I think of Southeast Asians and their relation to Han Chinese despite the fact that I have already stated my point of view. Southeast Asian like the Cambodians, Malays, Filipinos, and Indonesians tends to have bigger eyes with double eyelids, a flat wide nose, much darker skin tones and hair that it isn't as straight, sometimes curly or "kinky". No Beijingers could possibly pass for a Filipino unless that Filipino have Chinese features due to admixture. I mean, come on, people from Beijing and North China have eyes that are so small like the Mongols, Koreans, and Japanese. While the Filipino have eyes that are double eyelidded and much more roud as oppose to being "slanted". It's like this -.- to this o.o

Northern China and especially Shaanxi only boders Mongolian's territories. I don't know what you are talking about being closed to Southeast Asia. It takes about 7 to 8 hours of flight time to get from Beijing to Kualar Lumpur for crying out loud. Did you just tripple post? And how could the Hakka or Hokkien have a high admixture of aboriginal's blood from Taiwan? They were originately from Northern China but migrated south due to political turmoil... Hence the word Hakka means "guest people".

Beijingers who can pass for Flip:

http://image42.webshots.com/42/1/82/35/303...35qIblQJ_fs.jpg

And also, lol, the more north you go the lighter and wavier they get, the more south you go the kinkier and harder it gets.

I can say this without a doubt that the Chinese from the mainland do not consider Taiwanese to be unracially impure. Your anecdote and urban legend are just mere slanders.

Many of them look closer to southeast Asians from what I see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UlizhWIMbU

You know how Pure han hate those.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 08:52 PM

[iluvlamp]

Spratly Islands dispute and Chinese invasion

Tiananmen Square incident

Tibet Human Rights Issue

Chinese attempted invasion of Vietnam in the Sino-Vietnamese War

Gross Violations of human rights in Xinjiang

Inner Mongolia ethnic cleansing

I could go on.

All those incidents happened long ago and as for the "human rights" issue, people love bringing that up even though EVERY country has violated human rights in some form. China bashing may be trendy right now but that doesn't mean it's right or fair.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-miller/...c_b_114670.html

Myempire is Chinese, he can read and write in Chinese and apparantly people have already seen his photo.

I've never seen blacks with blue eyes and blonde hair unless they were albino. And Chinese do look a certain way. The average certainly do not look Mongolian or Filipino, although many South Chinese especially Cantonese look Southeast Asian. So if some whites have slanty eyes, do you feel ethnic affinity to them?
You don't know that. many westerner's can speak and write in japanese or chinese. These people are obsessed and probably had a bad incident in china and wants to sully the image of every single chinese person. What people post on the internet isn't always true. I doubt a chinese nationalist would post his pic online for all to see. that is just plain stupid and phishy.


No I don't feel any connection with white's who have slanty eyes. I'm just saying that people don't always have to look a certain way like you are suggesting...

Then we can all coexist. Every single race, nationality, and gender. However, China is the threat with human rights issues who do not treat non-Han very well.
haha where are you hearing this crap! Again the only fault you can find is human rights...this is getting boring and cliche. You sould look up the human rights violations of america.

If they feel they are Chinese, let them. However, many of them are 'impure' being mixed with aboriginal blood, and 'pure' Han people who discriminate against them. I doubt ethnic Taiwanese would like that.
Hans moved there not too long ago and there was very little mixing. They are mostly "han" chinese in taiwan. Again, you are speaking on behalf of chinese people AND mongolians. Neither of which you are...You have no right to judge either.

I have not singlehandedly attacked each individual Chinese, however, I criticize many of the Han's racist behaviors and their totalitarian style government. If the China threat grows too large and the US will have to inevitably contain, then I will be the first to sign up for the US army.
Keep bashing china if it makes you feel better. I doubt you have ever been there or been friends with any chinese people. I have never spoken ill about any hmong's and i don't know any chinese people have bad feelings about your people.

haha you wanna talk racism? What about slavery, the holocaust, the kkk, etc...western countries are FAAAAR more guilty of racism than any chinese. What's wrong with a country growing and improving? Would you rather see chinese people in poverty, being oppressed, and starving? You seem jealous. China is soo much different from before. They are not "totalitarian" as you call it. I was born in shanghai and I went back for the first time it was a completely different city and a different country.

btw, I don't even think you are hmong. you are obviously racist against asians and I doubt hmong people would say such stupid things. I think you are another non-asian troll that hate's chinese and wants everybody else to hate us too....Why are there so many of you? Are you that chineseisawsome dude?? You obviously have a chip on your shoulder. Considering you joined today and yet you know so many other members I'd say you were banned before and you just created a new username and are pretending to be hmong.

/ban

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 7 2009, 08:59 PM

[Shyn]

I said for you to describe for me the differences not to post more pictures. However judging from the "new" pictures then I still don't see any "major" difference. You just pick people with small eyes against Chinese people with a double eyelids. What point are you trying to prove? There are plenty of small eyes Chinese people on the size same as Koreans and other other "Tungusics" or Mongols eyes. I've also notice the cheekbones size but that doesn't mean anything more or less because high cheekbones can also be applicable to Chinese populace in general. These features and traits are not unique or exclusive but they are share by all groups of northeast Asian people to vary degrees and slight variations.

[Likeavirgin]

I said for you to describe for me the differences not to post more pictures. However judging from the "new" pictures then I still don't see any "major" difference.

Aw I feel sorry for you. You cannot tell the difference between Altaic and Han Chinese because you think it's all eyes. LOL, i describe just for you okay

Tungus - square shape head and forward portruding bone structure, rounded frontal zygomatics, smaller forehead, developed jawline, shorter arms/legs; longer trunk, more pronounced epicanthic fold/monolid, bow legged, hairier, more incidences of wavier and lighter hair (think caucasian), Chinese have predominantly straight hair (like native american), se asians have kinky hair (like black)

Kokuryo skull (Korean not Chinese mind you) vs. Han Chinese skull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwyIvT358E...re=channel_page

From another fellow Han Chinese:

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Default Re: Genghis Khan, The Mongol Empire
From where I used to live (in Harbin that's it), even many of the Han chinese displayed non-Han characteristics like bowed legs, short stature (we are predominantly quite tall up here), hairy body and very light chestnut brown eyes. These undesirable traits are considered mongolian in every sense, whereby the genetic background in Harbin should be more dongbei ren which is supposed to be tall, fair and of good posture. Now when I come to Australia, it seems like these mongolian features become a rarity because the chinese here look more like negroes and australoids.

That 8% of Y chromosome is found in males over the world? I'd certainly wish that I have none of the mongolian inheritance, since the so called mongolian splendour is not that big deal in China (indeed we regard Mongols as somewhat subhumans).

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=109944

You just pick people with small eyes against Chinese people with a double eyelids. What point are you trying to prove? There are plenty of small eyes Chinese people on the size same as Koreans and other other "Tungusics" or Mongols eyes. I've also notice the cheekbones size but that doesn't mean anything more or less because high cheekbones can also be applicable to Chinese populace in general. These features and traits are not unique or exclusive but they are share by all groups of northeast Asian people to vary degrees and slight variations.

We are all mongoloid race here. But Altaic, Han Chinese, South Han Chinese (although all han to us), Southeast Asian, etc. all similar with slight variation, but you still treat us like $hit.

Don't that make you feel good for china expansionism or that make you feel like powerful white man who conquer indians? because Han Chinese treat Tibetan like $hit, Uyghur, Mongol, and other ethnics like $hit, especially darker ones. So you are no better than the white expansionist you hate. We are the victims here, not Chinese.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 09:24 PM

[Shyn]

Ok now, you are just being nonsensical. These are not actually evidence of facts but mere anecdotes and stories that anyone can make up. Chinese that looks like negroids and australoids? You have got to be kidding me. And Southeast Asians have hair like black people? XD The Tungus do not have higher incidences of lighter hair... The Manchus and Mongols are the most Asian looking people on the planet, they would not have any European's traits unless due to a random mutation or racial admixtures.

Pay attention. No one here is the victim because no one is being victimized.

"Tibet and Xinjiang may not love being under Chinese but you cannot deny what Chinese rule have had a positive effect on their formerly feudal and primitive society. China have drastically modernized these areas and increased the life expectancy and quality of life for these people. Are you sugessting that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are better off living in a theocracy where slavery are praticed and people generally don't live past the age of 40?"


"If the Chinese government discriminates the Mongols people so much then why does all street signs in Inner Mongolia must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese? Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actual Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)? I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preserved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actual Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of Communism."

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 09:38 PM

[iluvlamp]

Aw I feel sorry for you. You cannot tell the difference between Altaic and Han Chinese because you think it's all eyes. LOL, i describe just for you okay

Tungus - square shape head and forward portruding bone structure, rounded frontal zygomatics, smaller forehead, developed jawline, shorter arms/legs; longer trunk, more pronounced epicanthic fold/monolid, bow legged, hairier, more incidences of wavier and lighter hair (think caucasian), Chinese have predominantly straight hair (like native american), se asians have kinky hair (like black)

Kokuryo skull (Korean not Chinese mind you) vs. Han Chinese skull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwyIvT358E...re=channel_page

From another fellow Han Chinese:

jinkai
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Default Re: Genghis Khan, The Mongol Empire
From where I used to live (in Harbin that's it), even many of the Han chinese displayed non-Han characteristics like bowed legs, short stature (we are predominantly quite tall up here), hairy body and very light chestnut brown eyes. These undesirable traits are considered mongolian in every sense, whereby the genetic background in Harbin should be more dongbei ren which is supposed to be tall, fair and of good posture. Now when I come to Australia, it seems like these mongolian features become a rarity because the chinese here look more like negroes and australoids.

That 8% of Y chromosome is found in males over the world? I'd certainly wish that I have none of the mongolian inheritance, since the so called mongolian splendour is not that big deal in China (indeed we regard Mongols as somewhat subhumans).

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=109944



We are all mongoloid race here. But Altaic, Han Chinese, South Han Chinese (although all han to us), Southeast Asian, etc. all similar with slight variation, but you still treat us like $hit.

Don't that make you feel good for china expansionism or that make you feel like powerful white man who conquer indians? because Han Chinese treat Tibetan like $hit, Uyghur, Mongol, and other ethnics like $hit, especially darker ones. So you are no better than the white expansionist you hate. We are the victims here, not Chinese.

haha you sound like this psycho who used to post here called Visitorq. By your silence to my question I'm assuming you aren't asian

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 7 2009, 09:32 PM

[Likeavirgin]

Ok now, you are just being nonsensical. These are not actually evidence of facts but mere anecdotes and stories that anyone can make up. Chinese that looks like negroids and australoids? You have got to be kidding me.

That's from a fellow han chinese nationalist of yours, advocating racial purity

another post:

Hi! Nice to meet you as well, and I really enjoy reading your posts on the forum. Well, certainly there are some northern admixtures in the southern han population. When I lived in Singapore a decade ago, I could see some chinese that could pass off as a Harbin folk or a Korean, albeit few. But looking like Mongolian is a bit extreme as it really brings out the "weirdness" (such as bowed legs) from the oriental standards. Hairy legs are a norm for Northerners (I do believe you have northern ancestry, also regarding your height), but a chest of thick jungle growth is highly suspicious. I know that besides the possibility of mongolian influence in Harbin on the degree of hirstuteness, another could be the australoid Ainu admixture that also likewise resulted in hairy Japanese. While I think that it is inevitably offensive for the southern chinese with regarding them as negroid or australoid, we cannot deny the fact that they have such predominant influence in their genepool (for e.g. just look at a chinese from Hongkong. His lack of epicantical fold, rounded skull type, small built and fetal posture are phenotypically suggestive of a southern origin). I have seen researches backing up the claim but I don't keep the URLs around, so please check up on search engines, especially on the topics of "Hakka" and such. Regarding intelligence, I do have to admit that we northerners often lose out to the more cunning southerners especially people from Shanghai, Hongkong, Guangzhou (I do find the chinese in Singapore and Malaysia more sincere). Repeated barbarian invasions in the north caused a brain drain to the south, and the resilient northerners left behind were physically tougher (probably due to some mixture with the barbarians but also more submissive, less initiative, less complains, more morose... the lack of "will" causing the fall of northern china to the Manchus). Whereas the south is the birthplace for revolutionaries and merchants, although they are physically weaker, and more gay. Due to this north south divide, the chinese are often referred to as a "degenerate race" in many literature.

Yet nevertheless, despite some phenotypic differences, we chinese people are united under the common culture, the common virtues and the common values which set us apart from other races. Therefore we should be supportive of one another regardless if you're from U.S.A., Indonesia, the Arctics, etc. So pleased to meet you fellow chinese!



http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.p...mp;postcount=14

"If the Chinese government discriminates the Mongols people so much then why does all street signs in Inner Mongolia must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese?

LOL what does street sign have to do with anything? Inner mongolia should be strictly mongolian if it was fair, not force "Han multiculturalism" into Mongolia. How you feel if every city in China was bilingual with English, French or German?

Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actual Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)?

so just because one child policy not apply to them, that means they treated good? lol youre naive. you know if they apply one child to other ethnic, the UN and USjump down their throat for genocide lol


The crime of "genocide" defined in internation law
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The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:

1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and

2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."

Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity.
Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Read:
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/index.html

I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preserved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actual Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of Communism."p

you sound just like those white people who want to invade iraq, iran, vietnam and other countries because you are right and they are wrong. i only want to show you another way, but you too brainwashed by chinese way lol . why don't you open your eye lol dont be so blind to nationalism and start caring for other ethnic too. we are people to you know

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 09:40 PM

[Likeavirgin]

haha you sound like this psycho who used to post here called Visitorq. By your silence to my question I'm assuming you aren't asian

Why does it matter if I am not asian to you? It does not. You argue the point, not the person.

[iluvlamp]

Why does it matter if I am not asian to you? It does not. You argue the point, not the person.

dude get a life instead of trying to prove how "different chinese are". I wait for a viable response from an actual mongolian person.
btw, you don't know anything about mongoloid features do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

i think culture and how people perform and think is more substantial in arguing about genetics. Take for example the patterns of high IQ's amongst ALL east asians, whether they're chinese, japanese, korean, hong kong, or taiwanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 8 2009, 12:47 AM

[Mid-Night_Sun]

dude get a life instead of trying to prove how "different chinese are". I wait for a viable response from an actual mongolian person.
btw, you don't know anything about mongoloid features do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

i think culture and how people perform and think is more substantial in arguing about genetics. Take for example the patterns of high IQ's amongst ALL east asians, whether they're chinese, japanese, korean, hong kong, or taiwanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

WHAT THE FUKKK???

Equatorial Guinea went from 59 in 2002 to 145 in 2006?????

[MyEmpireSparta]

iluv or something, the one should STFU is you, what the fu-k make you believe those dumb mongols are the same as us:

Typical mongol get the widest skull comparing to all the rest human race, they also get MUCH wider noses comparing to all the rest human races, their IQ, according to the lastest study is only 90 or something, I can spot a mongol from Chinese in Beijing 1000KM away.

Mongolians are as related to Chinese as Indians

You should STFU, no, no N.Chinese looks like Mongolian, we get the narrowest face, longest skull, longest and narrowest nose among all Asians, and few of us get the mongolized eyes also.

This post has been edited by MyEmpireSparta: Jun 8 2009, 03:06 AM

[Suzuka00]

If you wanna look at a map of China, excluding Manchukuo and Inner mongolia, here it is, you figure out where South China (Not central) and Southeast Asia is, because that's where the Han haplogroup (O3) derived from. China borders Mongolia, but it also borders Southeast Asia.

The original dna of sino-tibetans is haplogroup N and Q not O3,Haplogroup O3 is associated with the neolithic revolution and later Wet Rice farming,haplogroup O is originally Austric not Sino-Tibetan or Altaic..

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: Jun 8 2009, 04:15 AM

[MyEmpireSparta]

The original dna of sino-tibetans is haplogroup N and Q not O3,Haplogroup O3 is associated with the neolithic revolution and later Wet Rice farming,haplogroup O is originally Austric not Sino-Tibetan..

Are you talk the $hit out of your @$$ again? in which world N and Q(an native american marker) has anything to do with Sino-Tibetan?

ALL NOBELMEN IN EARLY CHINESE KINGDOMS ARE EXCLUSIVE O3a5-M-134, so sure they are original Han's marker, now you can get lost

[SoonToBeDaddy]

Northern Chinese do have genetic links from the Mongol/Turkic/Manchu/Siberic people. Anthropologists have already concluded that. Everyone has already split Northern and Southern Chinese into two seperate subraces, and they weren't the first, it's happened throughout history.

I posted this before, to bring some understanding and end of hatred between Mongol and Chinese people.

Mongolian/Chinese hatred against each other is very strong, and rightly so - we have been enemies for thousands of years. I decided to make this thread is to educate my people about the Chinese so the hate will be accurately directed at the right people and not the innocents.

1) Now let's start with numbers; Mongolia has 2.7 million Mongols, Tsahar Mongolia has 5 million Mongols, but worldwide it comes to roughly 9 million Mongols.

Now, the Chinese, have 1.3 billion Hans walking around. They have always outnumbered nomads, that's true. However in my opinion hating ALL 1.3 billion Chinese people will have no political future nor is it moral nor can this sort of racism possibly be justified and only serves to destroy our traditional culture which enforced a "barbaric" meritocratic society (where your status is earned by individual merit) instead of "civilised" racialist society (your status is defined by your race and color).

2) Sure, you can throw all the atrocities the Chinese government have imposed on Mongol people all you like, but you just missed the point. It is their GOVERNMENT who claims the right to own Mongolia as well as Tibet and East Turkistan.

Now, a history lesson: Study into the timeline during the last stages of the Dzungar Mongol / Khalkha Mongol civil war. Jungars invaded Mongolia, and the Khalkha Mongols allied themselves with the Manchus to destroy the Dzungars. Then due to the destruction of Buddhist temples in Mongolia, Cebdebjab, son of a Khalkha Mongol prince and a Manchurian, justified by the Buddhist yellow sect religion to kill infidels, proceeded to genocide the Oirat people in Dzungaria.

What happened after that? The Manchus had dominion over not just Mongolia, but Tibet, East Turkistan (ancient Dzungaria), and Manchuria. After a few generations, they became more and more sinofied to the point that they wish to prove to the Chinese people that they themselves are MORE Chinese then the Chinese themselves - a road that will eventually lead to their own disappearance and assimilation by the Chinese.

This is the Qing Dynasty, and after cultural reformation of China, the government is still led by Manchurian Chinese people. You ask, how could they possibly have claim over Mongolia and other domains? Answer is simple; During the Oirat/Halh war, the Manchus historically intermarried with the Khalkha Mongol Altan family, making them legitimate rulers of the steppe by making sure their veins runs with Chingghisid blood.

To this day, sinofied Manchurian descendants in the P.R.C. are using this to continue their claim for all former lands of the Qing Dynasty - made legitimate by intermarriage with the Altan family. THEY are our true enemies.

Not only that, but they are also the enemies of the pureblooded Chinese people. Still to this day benefits are thrown to ethnic minorities such as Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans, Turks, while the Han Chinese are imposed with a one-child policy and are not given the same rights.

"Crossing the wolf with the dragon during such times has bred demons whom neither Mongol nor Chinese ever wished existed"

3) Now many Mongols nowadays resent the idea that we have mixed with Chinese. Reality is - Northern Chinese now carry our genes. We are no longer the only ones with Xox Tolbton (Mongol blue spot). This has happened for a long time. In the past there have been many Turkic, Mongolic, and Tunguistic nomadic tribes who invaded China and assimilated themselves into Chinese culture. Shatuo Turks, Khitans, Jurchens, Manchus, just to name a few.

Anthropologists themselves seperated Northern and Southern Chinese into two distinct ancestries. Even Chingghis Khaan seperated Northern and Southern Chinese the same way! Hell even Southern Chinese dynasties employed Northern Chinese troops due to their military prowess, larger physical build and warlike mentality! This is the reality, the great wall has been crossed many times in history, you can't ignore this fact forever.

This is how the Northern Chinese can lay claim that Eastern Turks, Mongols, and Tunguistic nomads are part of the Northern Chinese race - and seek to assimilate all into one big China. And who are in the lead of the Northern Chinese? Manchurian descendants.

To conclude: As you can see we would be fools to hate all 1.3 billion Chinese people because of the ideologies imposed on the mainlanders by their mixed Manchurian rulers. Know your enemy, not make pointless enemies out of ignorance. Hate the government, not the people