New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings? Options

[Leeporter]

And Chinese in Siam as Jews American in US.

Yes, sort of.

Oh, we forgot Indian, they are more like English in America.

This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 13 2012, 01:24 AM

[KhmerBoi]

Let me give you a better picture of Siam.

You can think of Tai in Siam as German American in US.

You can think of Mon in Siam as Irish American in US.

You can think of Lao in Siam as Hispanic American in US.

You can think of Khmer in Siam as Black American in US.

They mixed together and form what is called "Siam"

Crap!

Siem is Tai-Refugee from Nanchoa who live in Lavo later they merch with Shan (Syampura) and stated to call them self Siam both of them are Theravada Buddhism.. later they invade Khmer of Hindu and Mahayana Buddhism..
For Khmer they are still call Siem because they are speaking Siem language (Tai-Khmer-Mon).. Siem guy marriage with Khmer lady their Child call Ramkamheang.. created first Siem script base on Khmer script.

You are stole other identity you used Tai identity to hide your true face!

[Leeporter]

Crap!

Siem is Tai-Refugee from Nanchoa who live in Lavo later they merch with Shan (Syampura) and stated to call them self Siam both of them are Theravada Buddhism.. later they invade Khmer of Hindu and Mahayana Buddhism..
For Khmer they are still call Siem because they are speaking Siem language (Tai-Khmer-Mon).. Siem guy marriage with Khmer lady their Child call Ramkamheang.. created first Siem script base on Khmer script.

ha ha ha .. .do you know that King Ramkhamhang's mother was Khun Pha Muang's sister.

Khun Pa Muang became Indravarman III of Yasodharapura while Ramkhamhang, his nephew, became King Ramkhamhang of Sukhothai.

You may mix up Khun Pha Muang (KPM) and Khun Bang Klang Hao (KBKH), his brother in law.

KBKH became Sri Indradhitaya of Sukhothai and Ramkhamhang was his sucessor, while KPM married Yasodharapura princess and later became Indravarman III.

They shared the same period.

You are stole other identity you used Tai identity to hide your true face!

You mean me? I never claimed I am a Tai, I am a Chiense Thai.


This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 13 2012, 02:07 AM

[Leeporter]

BTW, have you guys agreed yet that Indravarman III was a Tai-speaking guy (i.e. Khun Pha Muang from Sukhothai)?

From all evidences I show that Indravarman III was KPM, and the "theory" made by SEAhistory earlier in the first page that Indravarman III was Trasok Paem, do you believe which one?

Should we create a poll ?

[LoveIsAllAround]

BTW, have you guys agreed yet that Indravarman III was a Tai-speaking guy (i.e. Khun Pha Muang from Sukhothai)?

From all evidences I show that Indravarman III was KPM, and the "theory" made by SEAhistory earlier in the first page that Indravarman III was Trasok Paem, do you believe which one?

Should we create a poll ?

He said Indravarman III was Pya Kraek.

Yes, ofcourse. Pya Kraek was a great soldier and a a great martial artist. After a number of succesful wars, Prya Kraek became general under Jayavarman VIII. The warrior was very famous in his country, but the king was hated by his people. The Brahmans adviced the king to marry his daughter to Pya Kraek, so the king would become more popular. The marriage, however, was a plan by the Brahmans to appoint a new king. The Brahmans had the kings son locked up and performed the Rite for Pya Kraek to become king, and offered him the sacred sword. The king, as he was old and weak, was killed. The new kings name in Sanskrit was: Indravarman III.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Let me give you a better picture of Siam.

You can think of Tai in Siam as German American in US.

You can think of Mon in Siam as Irish American in US.

You can think of Lao in Siam as Hispanic American in US.

You can think of Khmer in Siam as Black American in US.

They mixed together and form what is called "Siam"

Siamese = English
Tai = Viking
Mon = Celt
Lao = Icelander
Khmer = Irish

[Leeporter]

ha ha ha .. .do you know that King Ramkhamhang's mother was Khun Pha Muang's sister.

Khun Pa Muang became Indravarman III of Yasodharapura while Ramkhamhang, his nephew, became King Ramkhamhang of Sukhothai.

You may mix up Khun Pha Muang (KPM) and Khun Bang Klang Hao (KBKH), his brother in law.

KBKH became Sri Indradhitaya of Sukhothai and Ramkhamhang was his sucessor, while KPM married Yasodharapura princess and later became Indravarman III.

They shared the same period.

^^ This is one period that we have quite clear evidences that the king of Chenla at Yasodharapura was not Khmer.
Indravarman III was a Tai king from Sukhothai.

We also know that kings of early state of Funan had non-Khmer names and mostlikely that those names are Tai names such as Kun Pan Wang, Kun Pan Chan etc.

We also have evidences from the Chinese record that titles like "Kun Luang" were used in Funan and Chenla.

We also know that Suriyavarman I was a prince from Srivijaya Nakorn Sri Dhammarat.

Also Jayavarman II was from Srivijaya. Nothing in stone inscription said that he was Khmer. It's all pure imagination of Khmers.

I am sure that if we know the non-indian name of each Varman kings of Funan and Chenla, we can conclude that none of them was Khmer.

Unfortunately, we only have indian names for those kings. So, it's quite not easy to prove.

But only a list of a few kings above is sufficient to conclude that some (if not all) kings of Funan and Chenla were not Khmer.

It's enough to prove that what you believed that Angkor was built by "Khmer" kings is not true.

Agree?

Khmer people may never thought about this before, but it's about time to learn the truth and accept it that the real history is not as beautiful as you thought.

I know that it's quite a shock for Khmers to know these facts, but you have to live with it.

Oh, and for SEAhistory, I am talking about the rulers of Funan and Chenla.

No need to provide more evidences to show that slaves in Angkor were Khmers.

We all knew that.

This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 13 2012, 07:26 AM

[PeaceMan]

Crap!

Siem is Tai-Refugee from Nanchoa who live in Lavo later they merch with Shan (Syampura) and stated to call them self Siam both of them are Theravada Buddhism.. later they invade Khmer of Hindu and Mahayana Buddhism..
For Khmer they are still call Siem because they are speaking Siem language (Tai-Khmer-Mon).. Siem guy marriage with Khmer lady their Child call Ramkamheang.. created first Siem script base on Khmer script.

You are stole other identity you used Tai identity to hide your true face!

same old...same old...

Keep ignoring fact all you like KhmerboiS....

Fact is Fact...Sien,Siem,Siam refer to the "Suphan" and its subjects(people)

Like I said it's a solid fact ,proven by both Chinese and Vietnamese's record...Also supported by respective scholar...


So it really doesn't matter of what your believes,V didn't ask for ur approval, coz other sources are much much more credited...


Anyhow that replied of yours making you look like a damn hypocrites...calling people thieves and such...You love the victim role so much, ain't ya???

SO U can't take the taste of your own medicine, I C....

here are the real life photos of Siamese Kings, royalties and regular people...The hybrid Siamese/Thai

[SEAhistory]

Okay, now I will prove some more:
















Please tell me? Where do Siameze come in the picture???

[SEAhistory]

What is this I see? Funanese and Chams working together to fight off Vietnamese?? So, actually my post on Cham and Jayavarman to work together doesn't sound so odd anymore.

[SEAhistory]

same old...same old...





here are the real life photos of Siamese Kings, royalties and regular people...The hybrid Siamese/Thai







These look Chinese to me

These are real Thai people, of mixed Lao, Khmer and Mon ancestry

This post has been edited by SEAhistory: Feb 13 2012, 10:33 AM

[PeaceMan]

These are real Thai people, of mixed Lao, Khmer and Mon ancestry

Those are Siamese people of (Sino-Austo-Tai) the real life Siamese!!!!

[PeaceMan]

These are real Thai people, of mixed Lao, Khmer and Mon ancestry

The one you said look Chinese to you are King Rama8 and King Rama9...

[SEAhistory]

The one you said look Chinese to you are King Rama8 and King Rama9...

Okay, that makes sense:
The present Thai royal family, the Chakri Dynasty, was founded by King Rama I who himself was partly Chinese.

[SEAhistory]

[quote name='LoveIsAllAround' date='Feb 12 2012, 11:53 PM' post='5004457']
I respect your believing. But it seems that many Khmers here agree that Khmer is Cham (Or Cham is Khmer?). It seems that Khmer and Cham are same people.


I don't know who believes that Khmer is Cham, but they certainly are related. I think I have shown so much evidence to support this. I think it's even possible that Kaudinya was a Cham.

[SEAhistory]

BTW, have you guys agreed yet that Indravarman III was a Tai-speaking guy (i.e. Khun Pha Muang from Sukhothai)?

From all evidences I show that Indravarman III was KPM, and the "theory" made by SEAhistory earlier in the first page that Indravarman III was Trasok Paem, do you believe which one?

Should we create a poll ?

let's create a poll for this thread for people that think Funan and Chenla originated in Cambodia, by Khmer and Austronesean people, or in Thailand, by Mon people..

And THEN we can argue IF Indravarman III was KPM. Even IF Indravarman was KPM the Siamese, it would only conclude that Kamboja had a temporary allie in the form of Sukhotai, nothing more..

This post has been edited by SEAhistory: Feb 13 2012, 01:41 PM

[SEAhistory]

Yes, sort of.

Oh, we forgot Indian, they are more like English in America.

Yeah Siam are like jews, they both like to lie and twist history.

Did you know Jewish religion originated in Ethiopia? Did you know the real Isrealites were Ethiopian? So you are exactly right! Both are twisting history and and claim to be descended from another people that really developed the religion..

[SEAhistory]

Does this Mon king look like Jayavarman? Haha, lol.

[SEAhistory]

Those are Siamese people of (Sino-Austo-Tai) the real life Siamese!!!!

You know what's funny? The people that are descended from real Thai people are being oppressed by Chinese-Thais from bangkok. The Chinese did really well to integrate into Thai society, so they wouldn't be kicked out as in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. And now they take the lands of the real Thais and control economy. Chinese-Thais look down on brown people and are among the ugliest Thai people. I like real Thai people, I don't like fake Thai people from China.

Okay, now I will prove some more:

Please tell me? Where do Siameze come in the picture???

[Jin4life]

And Chinese in Siam as Jews American in US.

And you know what the Nazi do to the Jews right? Send them all to concentration camp. I think that's what those other Thai should do with these Chinese-Thai living in Bangkok.