Two men baked alive after greedy English boss send them to the oven, for repairs. Options

[devils666]

I don't know how you draw that conclusion. Disingenuous straw man argument.


You sound like another knuckle-dragging, foaming at the mouth racist, like the OP.

lame comeback. If anyone is a straw-man it's you. And it's true that most of Europe hates the Anglos, especially celts.

This post has been edited by devils666: Aug 25 2011, 08:40 PM

[Superzooi]

hmmm baked english, my favorite

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

lame comeback. If anyone is a straw-man it's you. And it's true that most of Europe hates the Anglos, especially celts.

So they hate on the Scottish and Irish huh, those are the people with the strongest ties to the celts. Anglo-saxons came from the mainland like the normans.

[devils666]

So they hate on the Scottish and Irish huh, those are the people with the strongest ties to the celts. Anglo-saxons came from the mainland like the normans.

You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....

I see my bad haha.

[togepi]

You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....

Many Asians (Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Vietnamese, Hongkongese, Taiwanese) hate mainland Chinese.
Many Asians (Chinese, Korean) hate Japanese.

They are tolerated for economic reasons.

The 'hate' you speak of in Europe is mainly a mere mutual friendly rivalry, if Europeans really did hate each other, the European Union wouldn't have lasted so long. Many Europeans visit other European countries on holiday, the currency is the same and there are no border checks (Schengen), in most countries European kids will learn English/German/French as second language. There has always been a rivalry in the European football cup, but there is no nationalistic/racist fighting like you see in Asia (eg China vs Japan football game). Asia will never ever be like that.

The Europeans sorted their 'beef' out after WWII whilst the Asians still have WWII, Cold War feuds, land disputes, entrenched cultural hatred.

This post has been edited by togepi: Aug 28 2011, 05:52 AM

[devils666]

Many Asians (Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Vietnamese, Hongkongese, Taiwanese) hate mainland Chinese.
Many Asians (Chinese, Korean) hate Japanese.

They are tolerated for economic reasons.

The 'hate' you speak of in Europe is mainly a mere mutual friendly rivalry, if Europeans really did hate each other, the European Union wouldn't have lasted so long. Many Europeans visit other European countries on holiday, the currency is the same and there are no border checks (Schengen), in most countries European kids will learn English/German/French as second language. There has always been a rivalry in the European football cup, but there is no nationalistic/racist fighting like you see in Asia (eg China vs Japan football game). Asia will never ever be like that.

The Europeans sorted their 'beef' out after WWII whilst the Asians still have WWII, Cold War feuds, land disputes, entrenched cultural hatred.

You aren't even Asian so what do you know? Most of my friends are Vietnamese and Korean - they like Chinese people a lot better than White people! I also have relatives in Taiwan and Hong Kong - trust me, they don't hate mainlanders. The #1 tourists in China are from Korea. The #1 tourists in Japan are from China.

FYI: Britian isn't part of the EU.

Britain has been trying to control the rest of Europe for centuries. The Brits treat Irish like scum and made them second class citizens. They also tried many times to take over scotland, ever seen Braveheart? The only reason they "united" is because of WW2. If WW2 had never happened, all europeans would still be fighting each other.

This post has been edited by devils666: Aug 28 2011, 11:32 AM

[togepi]

You aren't even Asian so what do you know? Most of my friends are Vietnamese and Korean - they like Chinese people a lot better than White people! I also have relatives in Taiwan and Hong Kong - trust me, they don't hate mainlanders. The #1 tourists in China are from Korea. The #1 tourists in Japan are from China.

FYI: Britian isn't part of the EU.

Britain has been trying to control the rest of Europe for centuries. The Brits treat Irish like scum and made them second class citizens. They also tried many times to take over scotland, ever seen Braveheart? The only reason they "united" is because of WW2. If WW2 had never happened, all europeans would still be fighting each other.

The United Kingdom entered the European Union in 1973 after a popular referendum (democratic vote) in 1972.

You really should learn some modern history.

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Braveheart is a Hollywood film made by an American Jew-hating loser. It is a story, yet it is perceived by those who do not read books as 'history'. Many Scottish people's versions of Scottish history are informed by this Hollywood trash, you are also victim to this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart#Historical_accuracy

All countries have tried to impose their versions of culture and civilisation at some point in the past. Has that never happened in Asia? I don't think so. Human history is full of examples of warring between people, tribes, nations, empires. Do you know how the Qin Kingdom treated the Chu, Han, Wei Kingdoms?

Again I must reiterate - you should read history, and not watch the dumbed-down Hollywood version.

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About the nationalistic hatred in Asia - obviously you live in a North American country, everyone gets along. This is not evidence that there are issues at hand in Asian diplomatic relations: I am dealing with Asian geopolitics, not personal friendships.

Muslims and Jews can be friends, but does that mean that Israel and Iran don't have issues? No.

In Vietnam there are anti-China protests, in Japan there are anti-China, protests, in Taiwan there are anti-China protests, in Tibet there are anti-China protests, in Xinjiang there are anti-China protests, in Hong Kong there are anti-China protest, in Hong Kong there are anti-Japan protests, in China there are anti-Japan protests, in Korea there are anti-Japan protests, in Taiwan, there are anti-Japan protests, in Japan, there are anti-Korea protests. (Search on Google if you don't believe me, all of them exist.)

I have never seen or heard of an anti-France, anti-Germany, anti-Spain protest in Britain. There are no anti-British protests in Europe. Europeans are not nationalistic in the way Asians are. Europeans have bounded together to form a successful Union of political, military and economic co-operation. There is a friendly rivalry between European nations, it is not nationalistic. What comparable effort have Asians made to work together on a governmental level?

Many of the 'goodwill' towards China in Asia is based on an economic survival instinct. Japan needs Chinese consumers to buy their $hit. Vietnam needs Chinese investment. Koreans needs to sell ships and cars in China. Taiwan needs Chinese tourists and Chinese factories to make their crap. However, Asian countries are still suspicious of each other: Ancient history, WWII, Cold War...there is so much beef that remains unresolved so suspicion continues to inform Asian diplomacy and relations.

All Asian countries have land disputes with each other: Liancourt, Paracel, Senkaku, Tsushima, Socotra, Spratly...etc. The only land dispute in Europe comparable to those Asian ones is perhaps Gibraltar, but even still, Spain-British relations are not hindered by childish actions on the level you see in Asia (eg. the fishing boat incident between Japan, China/Taiwan).

The Asia-Pacific list is embarrassingly long - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

Asia is a far, far , far, far way from growing up and learning to co-operate in the way Europeans have.

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However, you are correct about Europe and WWII. WWII was the inevitable result of the power vacuum that came after the indecisive conclusion of WWI. The conclusion that WWII came to was one that was conducive to lasting peace and cooperation. By the end of WWII, British and German military/imperial rivalry was diminished by a weakened and split Germany and by the military weakness Britain showed in its imperial outposts, this allowed the surging prowess of American military and economic power to fill the vacuum, assisted by France and British cooperation.

This post has been edited by togepi: Aug 28 2011, 01:46 PM

[fivers]

You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....

lol not true

[devils666]

^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!

This post has been edited by devils666: Aug 28 2011, 01:51 PM

[togepi]

^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!

You clearly have no grasp of the subtleties of European supranational politics.

Germany is the largest contributor to the EU budget, it is the largest economy with the largest population in Europe, why would they let Britain 'boss' them around?

The only real 'hating' of Germany is perhaps in Poland but in Western Europe, German arts, music, philosophy etc. are widely respected and enjoyed. WWII is seen as an unfortunate period in European history, Germany has repented and no one holds suspicion or grudges. This is totally the opposite in Asia, Japan has not repented for its sins and for as long as they do not China's diplomatic policy will be shrouded by this ghoul of distrust and suspicion.

[devils666]

You clearly have no grasp of the subtleties of European supranational politics.

Germany is the largest contributor to the EU budget, it is the largest economy with the largest population in Europe, why would they let Britain 'boss' them around?

The only real 'hating' of Germany is perhaps in Poland but in Western Europe, German arts, music, philosophy etc. are widely respected and enjoyed. WWII is seen as an unfortunate period in European history, Germany has repented and no one holds suspicion or grudges. This is totally the opposite in Asia, Japan has not repented for its sins and for as long as they do not China's diplomatic policy will be shrouded by this ghoul of distrust and suspicion.

Germany was forced to Join the EU. In reality, Germany didn't want to join and they hate being part of it because they always have to BAIL everyone out. I know some German businessmen and they always complain about how lazy the rest of the EU is and how they are leeching off of Germany.

There have also been a lot of Jewish protests against Germany all over the world. The fact that Hollywood comes out with an anti-German movie every year is another thing.

Britain has most of the power in the EU. Everyone else is just a pawn. Why do you think the anglo's were allowed to keep the GBP but everyone else had to convert to the EU?

This world is still dominated by Anglos and all the rich Jewish bankers are headquartered in the UK.

[fivers]

^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!

uhm no you got it wrong, in general British are seen as gentlemanly and civilized throughout Europe

if any, than it's the Maghrebin population that is looked down on by a lot of Europeans... Hispanics are a tiny minority here and they're often seen as exotic, friendly, festive and sexy cf. Bresil stereotype

[devils666]

uhm no you got it wrong, in general British are seen as gentlemanly and civilized throughout Europe

if any, than it's the Maghrebin population that is looked down on by a lot of Europeans... Hispanics are a tiny minority here and they're often seen as exotic, friendly, festive and sexy cf. Bresil stereotype

The berbers/Gypsies of Europe are also looked down upon and discriminated.

I once new a French exchange student that told me that Anglos are very "civil" in public, but they are absolute perverted freaks behind closed doors. At least French people put it out there. The Anglos just try to decieve everyone.

[togepi]

You are very peculiar devils666.

So far in this thread you have mentioned that you have:

Vietnamese friends
Korean friends
German businessmen friends
French exchange friends

In order to provide 'evidence' in your debate.

Do you not go to an American liberal arts college where the art of rhetoric in debate is taught?

[devils666]

You are very peculiar devils666.

So far in this thread you have mentioned that you have:

Vietnamese friends
Korean friends
German businessmen friends
French exchange friends

In order to provide 'evidence' in your debate.

Do you not go to an American liberal arts college where the art of rhetoric in debate is taught?

At least I have friends and connections. And you're the last person I'd tell my personal info to. Anglo Troll who's NOT even Asian.

[fivers]

The berbers/Gypsies of Europe are also looked down upon and discriminated.

I once new a French exchange student that told me that Anglos are very "civil" in public, but they are absolute perverted freaks behind closed doors. At least French people put it out there. The Anglos just try to decieve everyone.

that's another stereotype the English are often seen as.. lol, but the general thing that comes to mind when Europeans think of the English is that of the well manered gentleman even though a lot of British act like pigs, it's that Victorian thing that still perpetuates until the day of today...

obviously you are living in yankee land and think you know Europe "from what they tell you" .. maybe it's true that when you live a while in the States you become naive and gullible like most Americans

This post has been edited by fivers: Aug 28 2011, 02:47 PM

[SkyBurial]

that's another stereotype the English are often seen as.. lol, but the general thing that comes to mind when Europeans think of the English is that of the well manered gentleman even though a lot of British act like pigs, it's that Victorian thing that still perpetuates until the day of today...

obviously you are living in yankee land and think you know Europe "from what they tell you" .. maybe it's true that when you live a while in the States you become naive and gullible like most Americans

So is it true that Brits have bad teeth?

[fivers]

So is it true that Brits have bad teeth?

they are known for their orange hair though

[SkyBurial]

they are known for their orange hair though

Why orange hair?