Vietnamese police beat Christians (women) to a bloody pulp, Religious Freedom in Vietnam (Part 2) Options

[NaThangThunKlakH...]

Too many Chinese Catholics here. Cannot even write Vietnamese properly. You baaad aasses

[vietnam]

Dạo này tin nghe từ VN thật sự là cướp, giết, hiếp hơi bị nhiều. Mới đập mấy sư ông và sư nữ trên Lâm Đồng đây nên chắc các chú công an vẫn còn máu, quay qua đập thêm đám nông dân Công giáo thấp cổ bé miệng.

Bất công dẫn tới phản kháng dẫn tới đàn áp, và cuối cùng bất công vẫn sẽ tồn tại và tăng lên theo thời gian. Chu kỳ sẽ tiếp tục, và cuối cùng sẽ dẫn tới gì thế nhỉ trong lịch sử anh hùng của tộc Việt ta?

[moo]

Respect is okay. Giving them acres of land to "pray" for progress is not.

[NaThangThunKlakH...]

To be fair, this land belonged to the Catholics in the past

To be fairer, this land belonged to Vietnam before the Catholics were invented

[Aristotle]

but these Catholics are Vietnamese, no?

Anyways, that's for the Vietnamese judicial system to decide, but to be honest, I don't have faith in it.


I understand the resentment for catholic because they were once the oppressor, and the Vietnamese people fought for justice to overthrow them. However, if you turn around and oppress your previous oppressor, then you're no different from your oppressor.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Jan 7 2010, 03:41 PM

[NaThangThunKlakH...]

but these Catholics are Vietnamese, no?

I don't know, are they? If they are then they should not demand special treatment. No Vietnamese can claim ownership of any land because all land belong to the state.

[moo]

resentment for catholics? more like wasting time on complete bull$hit. opposing scientific progress and overall contributing little. these catholics are more harmful to society than VC.

[Aristotle]

resentment for catholics? more like wasting time on complete bull$hit. opposing scientific progress and overall contributing little. these catholics are more harmful to society than VC.

Personally I agree, but not everyone is into science some people are spiritual and more concern with the after life. I am just taking a liberal approach and say let people practice whatever, so long as they're not hurting anyone.

Conservative views are more about order, tradition, and efficiency, liberal will say: "let a thousand flowers bloom!" Liberal view is more concern with enjoyment and playfulness.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Jan 7 2010, 04:59 PM

[Aristotle]

I don't know, are they? If they are then they should not demand special treatment. No Vietnamese can claim ownership of any land because all land belong to the state.

I am sure these people are.

All property and means of production belong to society, not the state, the state are there to redistribute and allocate these resources for those that need it. isn't that what communism is about? And these people demonstrated the need to worship their god. So you can either reject their spiritual need because Vietnam is crowded and not enough land for such and such etc.. but them being catholic shouldn't be an issue if you truly believe in equality of religion.



This post has been edited by Aristotle: Jan 7 2010, 05:16 PM

[Kaosq]

Don't play with fire or you might get burned.

[VietEmperor]

yall are taking this too seriously. this happens a lot in vietnam whether it's communist or not.

[annamite]

Chỉ có đạo cộng sản được quyền sở hửu đất đai thôi.

[Aristotle]

Chỉ có đạo cộng sản được quyền sở hửu đất đai thôi.

Then that is not communism. In communist society, the state are there to redistribute or allocate land, not owns it--society owns it.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Jan 7 2010, 05:19 PM

[annamite]

Then that is not communism. In communist society, the state are there to redistribute or allocate land, not owns it--society owns it.

Đạo cộng sản không phải là cộng sản chân chính....Chỉ mang danh cộng sản thôi...bỏi vậy mới gọi là đạo

This post has been edited by annamite: Jan 7 2010, 05:25 PM

[Aristotle]

I know.

[VietEmperor]

lol vietnam is not communism anymore, it's just ran by communist thugs.

[annamite]

Communism religion

God = Karl Marx

Saints: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho

[Aristotle]

I know that's a joke but communism is not a religion, it is a social science. If you study psychology, anthropology, sociology,(etc..) they're all developed using the method of Karl Marx's.

In my opinion, Karl Marx's philosophy is pretty good. If you have spare time check out the German Ideology by Karl Marx and Engel.

Marx died in 1883--too early to witness attempt to put his ideas into political practice. He gave rise to Marxism and Communism but the self proclaimed Marxist and communist have a career and interpretation of Marx's work of their own.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Jan 7 2010, 05:59 PM

[annamite]

Well...god may tell one thing and the saints interpreted it differently.

[Aristotle]

To be truly free, then, is to be free from such obstacles and to be free to pursue one's aims and aspiration--so long, that is, as they are not detrimental or harmful to other. I hope someday Vietnamese will be free, free from chinamen's exploitation, free from injustice of internal and external forces, free from tyranny, to reach our growing potential.

Alright, time to take a vacation, been here too many times the last few days.