Pacquiao vs. Cotto or UFC 105? Options

[KeepinItBaller]

Both sports have huggin in it

[martin_nuke]

Hugging is a Martial Art

[KeepinItBaller]

Ever heard of john ruiz?

[AzNboii]

tha big sole sent that fools head into space. kablaaaaaam

[sks88]

UFC is cool when they're exchanging blows, but jus gets downright gay when they begin to grapple

[Pink Cream]

and quite famously, the WBC Flyweight title to Erik Morales. Granted, Manny was a different fighter back then. neither in your skewed understanding or the general understanding of "retiring undefeated" will Mannny retire undefeated.

lol! you start hammering on that guy who apologised yet you say manny fought and loss to morales, defending the WBC flyweight title!

[mndeg]

I like grappling better than sloppy striking. You guys are just part of the ignorant masses. You don't know an omoplata from an arm triangle or the subtleties of half-guard.

This post has been edited by mndeg: Dec 18 2009, 02:30 PM

[Rocke1]

I like grappling better than sloppy striking. You guys are just part of the ignorant masses. You don't know an omoplata from an arm triangle or the subtleties of half-guard.

A good submission is good as a KO.. Ask Rumina Sato..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37RFjrs07oc<<< I believe this here got me into grappling..

This post has been edited by Rocke1: Dec 18 2009, 04:37 PM

[lorient]

At least in boxing hugging is not allowed therefore it is not a gay sport.

what do you think happens in a street fight? no rules....

the one difference between UFC PPV and boxing PPV is i rather watch UFC...in boxing, the only fight ppl are interested in is the main event

This post has been edited by lorient: Dec 18 2009, 05:29 PM

[martin_nuke]

What would happen if you get hit with Pacquio's punch without gloves? Pacquio can make a Carabao sleep with one punch.

[lorient]

What would happen if you get hit with Pacquio's punch without gloves? Pacquio can make a Carabao sleep with one punch.

he's not the hardest puncher in boxing. bernard hopkins boxed de la hoya cautiously for about 8 rounds. when hopkins went after him, he landed ONE body punch that knocked DLH out and even made him cry.....pacquiao landed power punches on DLH's face repeatedly from round one to round eight?....but never dropped him. its safe to say the hardest punchers in boxing today are heavyweights, either vitali or wladimir kitchsko.

pacquiao is a great boxer but he would not survive against top mma fighters....can you imagine bj penn, who fights at 155 vs pacquiao in a street fight?....i'd go with penn because once he puts his hands/grabs onto pacman, the fight is over

This post has been edited by lorient: Dec 19 2009, 06:56 PM

[Pink Cream]

pacquiao is a great boxer but he would not survive against most top 10 mma fighters....can you imagine bj penn, who fights at 155 vs pacquiao in a street fight?....i'd go with penn because once he puts his hands/grabs onto pacman, the fight is over

pretty sure pac trains in various bother martial arts as well. we will see wht happens when penn tries to get close to pacquiao to even lay hands on him. we all saw what happened to tim sylvia when he fought a washed up grand pa mercer. knocked out in 9 seconds.

it would be cool if a female pulled off an armbar while pretending to be a passive rape victim

wtf????

This post has been edited by Pink Cream: Dec 18 2009, 08:37 PM

[lorient]

pretty sure pac trains in various bother martial arts as well. we will see wht happens when penn tries to get close to pacquiao to even lay hands on him. we all saw what happened to tim sylvia when he fought a washed up grand pa mercer. knocked out in 9 seconds.

tim sylvia is a piece of sh!t who thought he could stand up with a professional/olympic boxing gold medalist....not a very smart thing to do....at least kimbo slice was smart and immediately took ray mercer to the ground.

ray mercer also has a losing record in k-1 competetion and quit after getting kicked in the face by remy bojansky

and penn would shoot in for a takedown or a clinch before pacquiao gets a chance to throw a punch....and its very unlikely pacquiao can defend one of penn's takedown

This post has been edited by lorient: Dec 18 2009, 09:16 PM

[lorient]

you also have to consider size and strength, bj penn fights at 155 but is much heavier when he's not training...he fought machida a few years ago and weighed somewhere between 185-205 pounds....wouldnt superior size and strength help in a street fight?

and if this was a real life situation, i'd probably have a better chance against pacquiao than penn(this also applies to you and every REGULAR person in the world who arent pro fighters)....penn's striking(punching) probably isnt as good as pacquiao's...but his punches can probably still KO most REGULAR guys. not only that, he has the ability to lift you up 10 feet in the air and slam you on your head, which can result in KO or even death....and if he chooses, he can choke you and not let go, until you're passed out or dead...he can also break one of your limbs.....most regular guys(you and me) can not overpower him/take him down or out strike him....so what do you do???

vs pacquiao, at least we have a better chance(grappling/takedown/ground and pound)

This post has been edited by lorient: Dec 18 2009, 09:51 PM

[Pink Cream]

tim sylvia is a piece of sh!t who thought he could stand up with a professional/olympic boxing gold medalist....not a very smart thing to do....at least kimbo slice was smart and immediately took ray mercer to the ground.

ray mercer also has a losing record in k-1 competetion and quit after getting kicked in the face by remy bojansky

and penn would shoot in for a takedown or a clinch before pacquiao gets a chance to throw a punch....and its very unlikely pacquiao can defend one of penn's takedown

tim sylvia didnt even have time. kimbo lied like a b!tch and said he would go toe to toe with ray.

point is? just shows how backwards mma striking actually is. ray mercer is an old grandpa yet sylvia couldnt even hang for 10 seconds.

pretty sure pacquiao trains in other martial arts.

you also have to consider size and strength, bj penn fights at 155 but is much heavier when he's not training...he fought machida a few years ago and weighed somewhere between 185-205 pounds....wouldnt superior size and strength help in a street fight?

and if this was a real life situation, i'd probably have a better chance against pacquiao than penn(this also applies to you and every REGULAR person in the world who arent pro fighters)....penn's striking(punching) probably isnt as good as pacquiao's...but his punches can probably still KO most REGULAR guys. not only that, he has the ability to lift you up 10 feet in the air and slam you on your head, which can result in KO or even death....and if he chooses, he can choke you and not let go, until you're passed out or dead...he can also break one of your limbs.....most regular guys(you and me) can not overpower him/take him down or out strike him....so what do you do???

vs pacquiao, at least we have a better chance(grappling/takedown/ground and pound)

unfortunately for bj penn, he barely ever looks in shape when he goes up in weight divisions and seems to be prone to gassing as well. superior punching power, technique athleticism and speed also help in fights. pacquiao definitely has the advantage in that. also there are no rules for street fights. dont expect any of two to take kindly or not do nut punches, eye gauges, biting, ears being ripped off etc etc.. mma isnt the epitome of how a street fight will end. totally different. also UFC doesnt even compare to pride. knees and stomping on downed opponents and grapplers ftw

no, you wouldnt even have a chance vs pacquiao or penn. so why bother going into it.

This post has been edited by Pink Cream: Dec 18 2009, 11:55 PM

[lorient]

tim sylvia didnt even have time. kimbo lied like a b!tch and said he would go toe to toe with ray.

point is? just shows how backwards mma striking actually is. ray mercer is an old grandpa yet sylvia couldnt even hang for 10 seconds.

pretty sure pacquiao trains in other martial arts.


unfortunately for bj penn, he barely ever looks in shape when he goes up in weight divisions and seems to be prone to gassing as well. superior punching power, technique athleticism and speed also help in fights. pacquiao definitely has the advantage in that. also there are no rules for street fights. dont expect any of two to take kindly or not do nut punches, eye gauges, biting, ears being ripped off etc etc.. mma isnt the epitome of how a street fight will end. totally different. also UFC doesnt even compare to pride. knees and stomping on downed opponents and grapplers ftw

no, you wouldnt even have a chance vs pacquiao or penn. so why bother going into it.

obviously mma fighters dont have the same striking ability of pro boxers or kickboxers...unless you count former kickboxers who worked on their ground game and now compete in mma

grappling is part of fighting, if kimbo didnt release the guillotine chock he had mercer in...and lets pretend it was an actual street fight, what does mercer do to get out of that position?

mma is more similar to a street fight because it combines grappling,submssion,and striking..... most mma fighters train in all 3 discipline....you can only punch in boxing, so who has the advantage?

no, you wouldnt even have a chance vs pacquiao or penn. so why bother going into it.

its just something guys talk or think about when watching ufc or boxing fights....i know a few guys who say they respect pacquiao's boxing ability but tink they can beat pacquiao in a street fight.. and how they would use their superior size/strength advantage on him and take him to the ground. i honestly believe the average man has a better shot of beating pacquiao than penn. i'm not a big fan of bj penn either because he sounds very cocky and talks a lot of $hit.

This post has been edited by lorient: Dec 19 2009, 03:12 PM

[Pink Cream]

obviously mma fighters dont have the same striking ability of pro boxers or kickboxers...unless you count former kickboxers who worked on their ground game and now compete in mma

grappling is part of fighting, if kimbo didnt release the guillotine chock he had mercer in...and lets pretend it was an actual street fight, what does mercer do to get out of that position?

mma is more similar to a street fight because it combines grappling,submssion,and striking..... most mma fighters train in all 3 discipline....you can only punch in boxing, so who has the advantage?



its just something guys talk or think about when watching ufc or boxing fights....i know a few guys who say they respect pacquiao's boxing ability but tink they can beat pacquiao in a street fight.. and how they would use their superior size/strength advantage on him and take him to the ground. i honestly believe the average man has a better shot of beating pacquiao than penn. i'm not a big fan of bj penn either because he sounds very cocky and talks a lot of $hit.

still would we not agree that it is a b!tch move to say one thing then do another? like what floyd jr loves to do.

lets not forget pacquiao trains in other martial arts and actually contemplated entering mma after boxing

the real dirty moves are illegal. these moves are perfect for when someone is close.

i wouldnt listen to the average ufc or boxing fan as they usually have such a high opinion of their own skills. which is probably why they arent pro fighters

[martin_nuke]

Pacquiao also knows muay thai and that is a reserve arsenal for him. That is also the reason why his legs are so strong and fast.



This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Dec 19 2009, 06:26 PM

[Sonofvisayas]

I was first a fan of MMA (back in 2000-2001) until I got bored with their sloppy boxing skills and excessive hugging... I would only watch an MMA match if I know they'll be knocking each other out and not rape each other on the ground. The sweet science for me please.

[KT80]

obviously mma fighters dont have the same striking ability of pro boxers or kickboxers...unless you count former kickboxers who worked on their ground game and now compete in mma

grappling is part of fighting, if kimbo didnt release the guillotine chock he had mercer in...and lets pretend it was an actual street fight, what does mercer do to get out of that position?

mma is more similar to a street fight because it combines grappling,submssion,and striking..... most mma fighters train in all 3 discipline....you can only punch in boxing, so who has the advantage?



its just something guys talk or think about when watching ufc or boxing fights....i know a few guys who say they respect pacquiao's boxing ability but tink they can beat pacquiao in a street fight.. and how they would use their superior size/strength advantage on him and take him to the ground. i honestly believe the average man has a better shot of beating pacquiao than penn. i'm not a big fan of bj penn either because he sounds very cocky and talks a lot of $hit.

don't make me laugh ....an average 250 lbs guy can't beat manny in any given day .....this guy trains like a machine for 15 years....there's no way any average joe can take him in a street fight.....his hands speed is unbelievable ..he would take your eyes out before u can blink ......