America will not leave Japan Options

[doggyji]

Don't forget Japanese civilians were also victims of Imperial Japan's military regime. Don't take the antagonistic versus Japan angle. That's exactly what the Japanese right-wings want. Be specific when you want to criticize something about a nation of millions of people. It's not so much that WW2 is still directly affecting us. The real concern is about the current attitudes that will project into the future. Western Europe almost got this down but East Asia still needs a lot of work.

This post has been edited by doggyji: Aug 21 2011, 11:34 AM

[hapkido1996]

Don't forget Japanese civilians were also victims of Imperial Japan's military regime. Don't take the antagonistic versus Japan angle. That's exactly what the Japanese right-wings want. Be specific when you want to criticize something about a nation of millions of people. It's not so much that WW2 is still directly affecting us. The real concern is about the current attitudes that will project into the future. Western Europe almost got this down but East Asia still needs a lot of work.

I like this post. ^^

[Bobsmith69]

ROFL!! compared to the war crimes you Japanese committed, that aint NOTHING.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes



You guys were worse than Nazis.

Tell that to the Jews who lost millions of their people. I'm not here excusing what Japan has done in the past. Yet,to count on the US, with a morally dubious past, to be the world police is bordering on asinine. Americans lost their credibility long time ago.

[Bobsmith69]

The warmongers in Japan should be kept on a leash for infinite amount of time.

With all the current wars its involved, "the warmongers in USA should be kept on a leash for infinite amount of time", is more appropriate.

This post has been edited by Bobsmith69: Aug 21 2011, 12:44 PM

[KraterosHellas]

At the end of WW II (World War II) if US wanted Okinawa or a half of Japan, Japan could not have objected. Look at Germany. Germany gave a huge chunk of land to France. Like Germany, Japan was an aggressor and lost the war. Japan should have given the Busan Island (DaeMah-do) especially back to Korea.

And you keep mentioning US troops raping civilians. I am sure there are some isolated incidetns. But did the US Government kidnap some 400,000 unsuspecting civilians and send them to the war fronts to be raped by its soldiers? How low can you sink?

what a load of bull crap. seriously the US did more harm to japan than japan did to asia during ww2. and americans certainly RAPED MORE women than the japanese did because americans raped in japan for well over 6 decades whereas the japanese did it only during the war.

[hapkido1996]

what a load of bull crap. seriously the US did more harm to japan than japan did to asia during ww2. and americans certainly RAPED MORE women than the japanese did because americans raped in japan for well over 6 decades whereas the japanese did it only during the war.

Not sure those numbers add up, considering Japan raped in China, Korea, Philippines, SEAsia, the South Pacific, etc. After the war, it took a while for the US to work up a significant occupying force. A handful of rapes a year for 60 years vs millions of rapes in a few years...hmmm...I'm no mathematician, but...

[devils666]

Not sure those numbers add up, considering Japan raped in China, Korea, Philippines, SEAsia, the South Pacific, etc. After the war, it took a while for the US to work up a significant occupying force. A handful of rapes a year for 60 years vs millions of rapes in a few years...hmmm...I'm no mathematician, but...

You make it seem like being raped by an American is sooo much better. Yellowcab....that is if you are even Asian....

[Yerroperil]

Japanese did worse things to Asia then Americans did in WW2 don't deny it...

[devils666]

Japanese did worse things to Asia then Americans did in WW2 don't deny it...

After WW2 Americans have have beaten the Japanese for #1 imperialist.

Personally, I've forgiven the Japanese. They are my brothers and I'd much rather have someone of the same race ruling me, than an "alien" race. If White people can forgive Germany, why can't Asians forgive each other?

[Yerroperil]

The only difference is skin deep we are all Homo sapiens... I don't think all Jews and some White POW have forgiven Germany... People don't forgive Japan because they don't apologize,whitewash history and worship at the Yasukuni. shrine... Rather have the U.S. rule over me than the IJA, seeing my fellow country men get put in experimental facilities, raped, massacred, forced incest, forced prostitution and my lands taken away is more than enough to despise the Japanese...

This post has been edited by Yerroperil: Aug 22 2011, 01:25 AM

[hapkido1996]

You make it seem like being raped by an American is sooo much better. Yellowcab....that is if you are even Asian....

Rape is rape. We were talking numbers. Japan is millions ahead. Americans never enslaved thousands of comfort women for systematic rape and brutality.

I'm not fond of red herring, thanks anyway.

[KraterosHellas]

Rape is rape. We were talking numbers. Japan is millions ahead. Americans never enslaved thousands of comfort women for systematic rape and brutality.

I'm not fond of red herring, thanks anyway.

japan did not rape in the millions. not even the highest estimate go as high as a million. maybe u're referring to casualties? also u have to keep in mind the americans raped thousands of japanese women during and immediately after the war. so they raped as much as the japanese. that's just how it is in war. but what's unique about the US-occupation is that these rapes continued for decades and we may never know the true figures because the vast majority of rapes are unreported and even if they are reported i have a suspicion that the US and japanese government actively silence these complaints and distort the figures to keep the populace happy and ignorant.

[hapkido1996]

japan did not rape in the millions. not even the highest estimate go as high as a million. maybe u're referring to casualties? also u have to keep in mind the americans raped thousands of japanese women during and immediately after the war. so they raped as much as the japanese. that's just how it is in war. but what's unique about the US-occupation is that these rapes continued for decades and we may never know the true figures because the vast majority of rapes are unreported and even if they are reported i have a suspicion that the US and japanese government actively silence these complaints and distort the figures to keep the populace happy and ignorant.

I think the difference in our estimates is due equivocating between the number of rapes and the number of women. The comfort women were held for years and raped by Japanese soldiers over and over again daily for years. And I've never heard of Americans raping thousands of Japanese women after the war. Can you post a link to a credible source? I'm not saying it didn't happen; just that I've never heard about it if it did.

By the way, it may not sound like it from what I've posted in this thread so far, but I have nothing against Japan or Japanese people. I love to visit there and I've always been treated extremely well while I've been there. I hold Japanese people and culture in high regard. I just think the US won the right to be a major presence there. They probably could have annexed Japan, if they'd really wanted to.

[doggyji]

Just to put an emphasis again, there are actually Japanese civil groups that go out on the street to protest against the aggressive nationalists. There are level-headed scholars who are not afraid to criticize them, too. They are Japanese. If you bash Japan as a whole for something awful you've seen, you are feeding more power to the nationalists while discouraging those who oppose them in Japan. It is very important to be aware of.

[RalghaHhallas]

devils666 & KraterosHellas = TOOLS

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool

see difinitions 1 & 2

This post has been edited by RalghaHhallas: Aug 22 2011, 11:32 AM

[Oldboy117]

After WW2 Americans have have beaten the Japanese for #1 imperialist.

Personally, I've forgiven the Japanese. They are my brothers and I'd much rather have someone of the same race ruling me, than an "alien" race. If White people can forgive Germany, why can't Asians forgive each other?

Idiot. Germany ADMITTED their GUILT, which is why rest of Europe/America FORGAVE Germany. Japanese government on the other hand, being a bunch of arrogant/stubborn pricks, actually WORSHIPS the ones that committed war crimes. Do you think the rest of Europe/America would forgive Germany if they denied the holocaust and worshipped Hitler for bringing "glory" to their country? NO.

[devils666]

Idiot. Germany ADMITTED their GUILT, which is why rest of Europe/America FORGAVE Germany. Japanese government on the other hand, being a bunch of arrogant/stubborn pricks, actually WORSHIPS the ones that committed war crimes. Do you think the rest of Europe/America would forgive Germany if they denied the holocaust and worshipped Hitler for bringing "glory" to their country? NO.

Apology means nothing - it's just words. We are talking about RIGHT NOW. Right now, how many Japanese bases in Asia are there (besides japan)? How many American bases are there?

White people can apologize to Native Americans all they want - but they will never get their land, dignity, or PEOPLE back.

White people can apologize to blacks all they want - that will never take back the centuries of slavery, economic theft, and power that they stole from the Blacks.

White people can apologize to Arabs all they want - but they won't stop the wars. They can't take back the innocent lives, infrastructure, or stability lost.

White people can apologize to Asians for colonizing, bombing, spreading Agent orange, raping, etc...but that doesn't mean $hit.

Actions speak louder than words. White people love to apologize while they're raping us all. It still doesn't change the fact that your @$$-hole will never be the same.

This post has been edited by devils666: Aug 22 2011, 10:03 PM

[Yerroperil]

Apology means nothing - it's just words. We are talking about RIGHT NOW. Right now, how many Japanese bases in Asia are there (besides japan)? How many American bases are there?

White people can apologize to Native Americans all they want - but they will never get their land, dignity, or PEOPLE back.

White people can apologize to blacks all they want - that will never take back the centuries of slavery, economic theft, and power that they stole from the Blacks.

White people can apologize to Arabs all they want - but they won't stop the wars. They can't take back the innocent lives, infrastructure, or stability lost.

White people can apologize to Asians for colonizing, bombing, spreading Agent orange, raping, etc...but that doesn't mean $hit.

Actions speak louder than words. White people love to apologize while they're raping us all. It still doesn't change the fact that your @$$-hole will never be the same.

At least some Americans recognize their evils, public schooling in U.S. doesn't skim over how Whites enslaved and stole land from minorities, the problem is Japanese don't acknowledge their crimes and refuse to believe that they could do things like Unit 731 and Nanjing massacre, some museums in Japan even state that Japan was forced to war by White imperialists and Japanese were "liberating" Asia...

[hapkido1996]

Uhmm...US solidiers went on a mad raping spree after WWII?

Rape

Main article: Rape during the occupation of Japan

While many Japanese civilians feared that the Allied troops were likely to rape Japanese women, the incidence of rape committed by members of the occupation force was low.[32] Its incidence did increase after the criminalization of prostitution, however.[33] Michael S. Molasky reports that while rape and other violent crime was widespread in naval ports like Yokosuka and Yokohama during the first few weeks of occupation, according to Japanese police reports, the number of incidents declined shortly after and were not common on mainland Japan throughout the rest of occupation.[34]

According to Toshiyuki Tanaka, 76 cases of rape or rape-murder were reported on Okinawa during the first five years of occupation. However, contemporary research indicates that this number is likely too small as many rapes went unreported.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan#Rape

Even if 76 in Okinawa over 5 years is a low estimate, it's not even in the same league with:

The term "comfort women" was a euphemism used to describe women forced into sexual slavery by the Japanese military during World War II.[1][2]

Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 from some Japanese scholars[3] to as high as 410,000 from some Chinese scholars,[4] but the exact numbers are still being researched and debated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

The best thing for everyone involved is to acknowledge the past, acknowledge that everybody involved is guilty of something, and then spending our energies on making a better future instead of bickering over the past.

[KraterosHellas]

Apology means nothing - it's just words. We are talking about RIGHT NOW. Right now, how many Japanese bases in Asia are there (besides japan)? How many American bases are there?

White people can apologize to Native Americans all they want - but they will never get their land, dignity, or PEOPLE back.

White people can apologize to blacks all they want - that will never take back the centuries of slavery, economic theft, and power that they stole from the Blacks.

White people can apologize to Arabs all they want - but they won't stop the wars. They can't take back the innocent lives, infrastructure, or stability lost.

White people can apologize to Asians for colonizing, bombing, spreading Agent orange, raping, etc...but that doesn't mean $hit.

Actions speak louder than words. White people love to apologize while they're raping us all. It still doesn't change the fact that your @$$-hole will never be the same.

westerners are excellent orators. but they are woefully lacking in ethics and morality. the concepts exist in their intellectual world of course, but they have yet to materialize in reality.