Khamen is not Khom Options

[nobodyknown]

Hm I would like to express my foolish opinions.

Khmer is one nation and its people can learn every languages fastly.

Khmer used to be the great nation before Thailand. Just compare what going on in the past between Thai and Khmer time of area.

Thai always look like the baby when Khmer look like the biggest brother all over the time.

So, the main thing you should know in Thai drama ( if you'd ever watched Thai drama) you will know the bad ideas that every Thais have in their brains.

ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน

[AEROFORCE1]

So, the main thing you should know in Thai drama ( if you'd ever watched Thai drama) you will know the bad ideas that every Thais have in their brains.

ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน   แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน

Yup what do you type in Thai is d human innate. And how d soapopera be fun without that.
@Nobody know I am in the town that has many of Khmae and they just don't like me I don't do any thing wrong at all.
I don't know how to explain about this.May be all about d past.
I never have any bias on Khmae ,but they try to make me hate them.

This post has been edited by AEROFORCE1: Nov 29 2005, 02:37 AM

[prahok]

aeroforce1 is a cool thai.. u are unbiased judging by your posts..

[nobodyknown]

May I say so Sorry and apologise what i said in the first time. Becos I can't bear about the story that some thais always say and look bad to their neigboring countries. I know in Thailand , We have many good people and it's the same as in Cambodia. But one thing i recognised is that Thailand always have the attitude all over her neigboring countries. That why I want to realise all Thais to respect each other rights for living together with understanding and happiness.

Thaland is the Buddism country as Cambodia. Why don't we use this similarity to contact or to understand each other. We need peace more than everything . We are the same. Khmer king used to stay in Thailand. We used to be brotherhood. This is the ideas that giving us the sincerity. And the last one I need all Thais trying to understand us in the way that we are all try to understand you also.


I hope this is just the small idea one but you already knew that we can't move our country to the other places.

[AEROFORCE1]

The cruel memory from the war and refugy camp is quite difficult to faded away from ur mind.Without that stupid war our country will be much more develop.IMO Thailand on 1960-1985 was also suffering from the corrupt dictator as well.

Is it posible to say from both side that "forgiving but not forgotting"

[Point_Dexter]

The word "Khom" or "Khamen" was derived from "Khmer-Mon."

"Khmer-Mon" also means "Ancient Khmer" in the Khmer language.

The word "Khmer-Mon" was coined during the 10th century when the Mon Kingdom of Haripunjaya was absorbed by King Suriyavarman II. The Mons and Khmers merged into the Khmer-Mons. The realm of the Khmer-Mons was the entire area of present day Thailand.

[jaykh]

What khmen Khom... stupid thai theory. Khmen+ Khomr= basically Khmer. It is true that most of our cultures were originated from india... but when i said cultures, they were JUST cultures... cultures that the native (we, the great khmers) adopted... to build the great khmer empire. Then those babaric uncivilized siam borned from nowhere copied us and tauk tiep stabbed us on the back.

[Viesnabotkampuji...]

we adopted only Hinduism and Buddhism from mother India. Khmer cultures are khmer cultures not adopted from India. What call traditional Thai are the other way around,traditional khmer.

[nangsbek]

In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".

An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.

We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.

If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.

The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.

When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.

The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".

That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.

khamens and khoms are just the same word for khmer, in angkor there was hardly any distintion between them, khoms are just regular people. and ps, do you think you descended from royalty, master builders, your ancestors were probaly slaves of the higher class? you mad cuz our empire was wayy better then ayyuthuya, it fell because of ignorant kings but at its peak it was one of asia's greatest civilization, producing religous art topping that of any civilization, larger then any european city at the time, it had hospitals, inns, produce crops 4 times a year, women enjoy high status, one great temple took more then 60,000 people to operate, the population was well above a million.

[Chickens]

A thread created just to insult another group of people. Hehehe it's sort of pathetic if you think about it.

[azn_leaki]

khamens and khoms are just the same word for khmer, in angkor there was hardly any distintion between them, khoms are just regular people. and ps, do you think you descended from royalty, master builders, your ancestors were probaly slaves of the higher class? you mad cuz our empire was wayy better then ayyuthuya, it fell because of ignorant kings but at its peak it was one of asia's greatest civilization, producing religous art topping that of any civilization, larger then any european city at the time, it had hospitals, inns, produce crops 4 times a year, women enjoy high status, one great temple took more then 60,000 people to operate, the population was well above a million.

oohh you talk bad about thai!!! i'm telling ling!

[transtic]

Hey! It's back!

[Sovanna Phoum]

the khom is just a convenient excuse given by people like bodyslam to deny modern day khmers of their heritage, thus allowing thais to lay claim to various aspects of culture. the only people who hold this position are thais like bodyslam who has yet to offer one credible piece of evidence to support his views.

his assertion is highly improbable to begin with. how would the ancient thais be able to orchestrate such a massive relocation of angkorian leaders and culturalists to leave cambodia with just 'khamen' and khamen alone? it's only my assumption that the population was massive, but lets think about this. you can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. great people had to be produced directly from the population or the civilization would have collapsed much sooner than 600 years.

sorry, it just doesn't fly.

I think some thai historians rewrote the history to teach their kids about the Khom and Khmen and to influence the decision on Preah Vihear Court Case awhile back...In spite of what they rewrote, the Preah Vihear was awarded to the right owner...that is the Khmer.

[lemongrass]

menghuy, it is true . Siam and Thai is the the same. Siam is the old name of the country. Thai is the name of the race who control siam. Siam is a group of people who live in Siam. Thai. Mon. Laos, Khmer ,Malay, Jam can be Siamese. Because Siam is an Empire. The Empire consist of many races. Thai is a ruling class and majority of tha people in Siam Empire. After we lose Laos, Cambodia, northern state of Malasia to Western countries. So we change our name of the country to Thailand. That is mean the Land of the Thai race only. We are realistic race. We are not live in the dream. We have to live with we have and develope our country which our remaining land. We are not dream to our old Siam Empire who control Laos, Cambodia and others areas.

I would like to thank professor, general "BIG BAD BODY SLAM" you are one inteligent and most enlighten person and blessed with all the knowledge of humanity. His Royal Highnes the King of Thailand would be very proud of you that one day, I hope he make you the Priminister of the Great Kingdom of Thailand. I am but your humble subject who would like to have a few point of clarification from your excellency. From your knowledge and command of word choice, you must be at least a General of the Thai Royal Army or Member of Thai Parliament. Please forgive my intrusion upon your presence, because I am but a barbarian who do not know any better.
You have stated that "Siam and Thai is the same." but Khom and Kamen are not the same. "After we lose Laos, Cambodia, northern state of Malasia to western countries. So we change our name of the country to Thailand. That is mean the land of the Thai race only." I am dissapointed that your excellency have forgotten us, the barbaric little people who live and served his royal majesy the King of the Great Kingdom of Thailand. The little people I reffer to are the Kamen, Laos, Mon, Kha, Koy, Malai, etc. etc. etc................
These are the little people that on a whole contribute to the greatness of Thailand. Please tell me, where do we stand in your great scheme of things.
I cannot speak for all the ethnic groups but I can speak for myself. I am a "Kamen" not Khmer, not Khom, the little people that serve you. Do you know how many of us are in Thailand? What do you and your fellow Thai considered us to be? Are we the same people that you have described so blattently as barbaric, "Kamen" because we have always been reffered to as Kamen also. We live and work and served the king just like any other Thai except we are Khmer desent. My brother and many of my cousins are in the Thai Royal Army are serving in the southern theater of operation against Islamic terrorism, because we believe in the greater good of the Kingdom.
Please, excellency be aware of the ramefication of your reply to my humble questions.

[Goombaking209]

No need for royal sweet talk to a person like bodyslam. Im glad he's a victim of ben's banned bus

and if you're reading this bodyslam (im sure you're using a different name) then please keep your arrogance where it belongs in the thaichat, k? thanks

[joost_leaki]

I tell you what is Thai people think. This is common in Thai Society. We don't call Cambodian as Khmer. The word Khmer is not in Our Languague.

We use Khmen in stead.
And we use word Khom to represent the Ancient people who live in the Khmer Empire.

We respect Khom but Khmen is something low, untrust, uncivilze.

That is the way it is. I'm not insulted you, but this is common knowledge in Thai Society. I've explained why we think like that.

Khmen is acted like we think. You are never show you have a quality like "Khom". The answer is you are decent from the lower class of the Khmer Empire.

This theory was presented long time ago in Thai Society.
We are very surprise whe we study the history and Civilisation of Khmer Emppire. However, when we look at the people in Cambodia and what is they do after Khmer Empire crumbled. We don't belive they are decent from the same group.

Khom is civilized. Khmen is like a babarian, underdevelop.

Last two year, Khmen burned our ambassy with very stupid reason. That we don't know we can angry or pity. Many situations proved the theory many many time.

Farmer, Serf, Slave can not build a civilize kingdom. After their master was gone. They can not like his master.

Theory proved long time ago.

i wonder why the khom as you say spoke a language nearly identical to the khmen? the ancient language of angkor and the language today have less diffrences then portuguese and spanish, and is it safe to say the sukothais were not thai but lao since, lao is closer to sukhothai then thais today?

[lemongrass]

No need for royal sweet talk to a person like bodyslam. Im glad he's a victim of ben's banned bus

and if you're reading this bodyslam (im sure you're using a different name) then please keep your arrogance where it belongs in the thaichat, k? thanks

thanks for the advice. i'll like to meet you when i get a chance to go to stockton.

i wonder why the khom as you say spoke a language nearly identical to the khmen? the ancient language of angkor and the language today have less diffrences then portuguese and spanish, and is it safe to say the sukothais were not thai but lao since, lao is closer to sukhothai then thais today?

i wondered how Khmerland would look like 50years from now?

[lemongrass]

No need for royal sweet talk to a person like bodyslam. Im glad he's a victim of ben's banned bus

and if you're reading this bodyslam (im sure you're using a different name) then please keep your arrogance where it belongs in the thaichat, k? thanks

i wonder why he was banned from this sight? i like this guy. i like to meet him in person. so are lots of thai soldires who are stationed at the cambodian boarder. thailand have enough problem as it is with the southern province/changwat. no need for problem with the east /cambodia.

[Sangkhem]

Virvs. may be it is the same word with khmen that the Thai call Cambodia.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.

If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.

Come on you guy, I think you know better than that, the term "Khom" was an ancient word used by Thais and Laos for the Khmer people. Many peoples have used different terms or pronunciations to describe the Khmer: in about AD 70, Pliny, the Roman author and his exploring son called the Khmer Camarini (Historica Naturalis), they were called Kumar by the Arabs; Kui kmi by the Chams, Coa Mein, or Mein, by the Vietnamese. You should check with Thai dictionary before you say something like that. This is from the modern Thai dictionary, KHOM or Kaum= the Cambodian Nation, the alphabet of ancient Cambodians in which the sacred books of the Siamese are written, being in part source of the modern Siamese characters (Ala. p. 291). There was no such as KHOM for clever people and KHMEN for lower level people like other person just described.

This post has been edited by Sangkhem: Jan 23 2009, 08:12 PM

[Sangkhem]

In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".

An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.

We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.

If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.

The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.

When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.

The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".

That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.

Good, I like what you said: "Siamese pay respect on KHOM" because KHOM, Khmer or KHMEN are the same people. Do you have anything to proof that KHOM were not KHMER or KHMEN? You Thais people can say what ever you want to say, but in the end the world will not believe you. Why don't you read THIS? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Empire).