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[Bhaskara]

Nice info, minaaaa. But some of them are misleading. Dayak weddings are usually done in Western way too, even in the inland regions. This due to the fact they are mostly Catholic adherents (as Minahasan are Protestants). And that doesn't make them "modern" in any way (some of them can't even read), just "westernized".

It's too bad, actually seeing they worship western culture that much and forgetting their own. I have much more respect to the Torajans, Bataks, and Floresians, as eventhough they are Christians too, they are not forgetting their own root. Their style of weddings are traditional. And I see more famous and successful Bataks and Torajans( businessmen, entertainers, attorneys, politicians, etc) than Minahasans. I only know Minahasans to be famous in entertainment industry, and not always in a positive way.

Gw ga maksud menghina atau melecehkan suku tertentu ya, cuma ngasi info doang (makanya gw pake Bahasa Indonesia aja supaya yg lain ga tau aib kt). Pelacur Minahasa itu terkenal sekali di Jakarta, panggilannya cewek Kawanua. Ini adalah sebuah komunitas yang besar, terdiri dari cowok2 yang main kartu sambil nungguin cewek2nya "kerja" ngelayanin pria2 hidung belang.

[singapak2]

Gw ga maksud menghina atau melecehkan suku tertentu ya, cuma ngasi info doang (makanya gw pake Bahasa Indonesia aja supaya yg lain ga tau aib kt). Pelacur Minahasa itu terkenal sekali di Jakarta, panggilannya cewek Kawanua. Ini adalah sebuah komunitas yang besar, terdiri dari cowok2 yang main kartu sambil nungguin cewek2nya "kerja" ngelayanin pria2 hidung belang.

apa, kamu kenal sama pelacur2 di jakarta?? gatal sih kamu!! awas, agar pacar(kalo kamu ada) kamu ngak tau tentang ini.

@Claudia: I manage to see 2 videos.. now i know how Minahasans look like.. just like some actresses i seen on indonesian tv.

[Bhaskara]

Gw seh ga kenal pelacur2, pelacur2 yg kenal gw!

[claudia]

Hi! You don't need to be shy to tell the truth about most Minahasans girl get taken and promised to work in Jakarta for a positive way but turn up those poor girls in such a negative way alias prostitute. They're normally taken by Germo and that's what I knew. These days many parents realise how many things happened in the past so their not prefere their childrens go to Jkt with those 'Unknown people alias Germo'. However, I also knew that most Germo would prefer Minahasan girl to be their workers as they're pretty and most men would also prefer Minahasan girl as they're smooth white skin. I can't remember what web I rad most of this story which's surprised me. Not at all what you said about our ethnic. Most Minahasan who live in Java are bussines man and most women maried other ethnicity because of their good looking. What's more most Bataknese maried Minahasans.

I knew for a fact, one of my friend whose in the same class with me at year 12 at high school got their job straight away as a secretary in Jkt without going to Uni. However, I once going to go there and live with my dad's cousins but my dad said "No!" Hmmm well, he worried so much.

[minaaaa]

It's too bad, actually seeing they worship western culture that much and forgetting their own. I have much more respect to the Torajans, Bataks, and Floresians, as eventhough they are Christians too, they are not forgetting their own root. Their style of weddings are traditional. And I see more famous and successful Bataks and Torajans( businessmen, entertainers, attorneys, politicians, etc) than Minahasans. I only know Minahasans to be famous in entertainment industry, and not always in a positive way.

Excuse me?? Minahasan is indeed not forgetting their culture. In fact, we were well known for our culture. We don't "worship western culture". If we worshiped western culture, Manado city would be well-developed by now in comparison to JKT. so you say, you "see more famous and successful bataks and Torajans" ..we dont care if they're intellectual business/politician-wise, we know that those occupations manipulate the country ..but who cares??? Are you trying to say that Minahasans aren't successful???.....and you say "i only know minahasans to be famous in e the entertainment industry"....where have you been in all your life?...there are heaps of successful people in manado, not only in the entertainment industry...Maybe were just too ""sexy" to be in the spotlight..=) hahaha.

[claudia]

@Claudia: I manage to see 2 videos.. now i know how Minahasans look like.. just like some actresses i seen on indonesian tv.
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Some are & some aren't. In this AF some people said that Monahasan has slanty eye like the Chinese but they're really Thai or Philipine alike.
Btw here's randomly Manadonese/Minahasan girls and boys pictures.
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4th pic: Runner Up Miss Indonesia World 2007 (Verna Inkiriwang even knows she represented Middle Sulawesi but she's a pure Minahasans.

5th Pic: some Misses and Misters Manado 2004. The one with yellow T-shirt was formerly Miss Indonesia World 2006.

Here's her pic the one witrh yellow T-shirt above Kristania Besouw.
7th Pic: Maya Waloni, Miss Manado 2004
Astrid Kumentas (Miss North Sulawesi 2004)

This post has been edited by claudia: Aug 4 2007, 06:26 AM

[minaaaa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9cP3TDpCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxoMm2kP17s...ted&search=
minahasans do have culture! watch this.

This post has been edited by minaaaa: Aug 4 2007, 06:48 AM

[han2]

@Claudia: I manage to see 2 videos.. now i know how Minahasans look like.. just like some actresses i seen on indonesian tv.
Some are & some aren't. In this AF some people said that Monahasan has slanty eye like the Chinese but they're really Thai or Philipine alike.
Btw here's randomly Manadonese/Minahasan girls and boys pictures.
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4th pic: Runner Up Miss Indonesia World 2007 (Verna Inkiriwang even knows she represented Middle Sulawesi but she's a pure Minahasans.

5th Pic: some Misses and Misters Manado 2004. The one with yellow T-shirt was formerly Miss Indonesia World 2006.

Here's her pic the one witrh yellow T-shirt above Kristania Besouw.
7th Pic: Maya Waloni, Miss Manado 2004
Astrid Kumentas (Miss North Sulawesi 2004)

wow, very attractive....yeah, i think many minahasans look similar to filipinos too...

[XxRyoChanxX]

Nice info, minaaaa. But some of them are misleading. Dayak weddings are usually done in Western way too, even in the inland regions. This due to the fact they are mostly Catholic adherents (as Minahasan are Protestants). And that doesn't make them "modern" in any way (some of them can't even read), just "westernized".

It's too bad, actually seeing they worship western culture that much and forgetting their own. I have much more respect to the Torajans, Bataks, and Floresians, as eventhough they are Christians too, they are not forgetting their own root. Their style of weddings are traditional. And I see more famous and successful Bataks and Torajans( businessmen, entertainers, attorneys, politicians, etc) than Minahasans. I only know Minahasans to be famous in entertainment industry, and not always in a positive way.

Gw ga maksud menghina atau melecehkan suku tertentu ya, cuma ngasi info doang (makanya gw pake Bahasa Indonesia aja supaya yg lain ga tau aib kt). Pelacur Minahasa itu terkenal sekali di Jakarta, panggilannya cewek Kawanua. Ini adalah sebuah komunitas yang besar, terdiri dari cowok2 yang main kartu sambil nungguin cewek2nya "kerja" ngelayanin pria2 hidung belang.

did you just say that we don't have our own culture?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? have you ever been to manado ?

[claudia]

That's right! Ryon, we've got a great culture. The Minahasans who lives outsite Minahasans maybe modernise people but the one who lives there a truly culture people.

*About the western worship style for Christian happened to be the same to the US gospel but the original Minahasans still have they're own style of worship, calm & old style.

You should come to Minahasa alone and see the reality of being a KAWANUA alias Minahasans.
In western country the Minahasans called Kawanua where people have events and culture party called arisan and visiting each other and even have a great culture events.
I believe there's only one ethinc in this world still bring their culture to the western world even know they're far away but their heart still the same.

[claudia]

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Anemonefish, Bunaken Marine Park, Manado (Martyn Guess)

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Choose from the Santika Manado Hotel with the now famous Thalassa Dive Centre, the dedicated dive resort of Tasik Ria or the very comfortable and romantic Minahasa Lagoon. For those interested in a liveaboard option, top of the range North Sulawesi Aggressor makes the perfect choice.
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Above pic was taken by a diver. Cheers!

[NEWGINAFETS]

Nice info, minaaaa. But some of them are misleading. Dayak weddings are usually done in Western way too, even in the inland regions. This due to the fact they are mostly Catholic adherents (as Minahasan are Protestants). And that doesn't make them "modern" in any way (some of them can't even read), just "westernized".

It's too bad, actually seeing they worship western culture that much and forgetting their own. I have much more respect to the Torajans, Bataks, and Floresians, as eventhough they are Christians too, they are not forgetting their own root. Their style of weddings are traditional. And I see more famous and successful Bataks and Torajans( businessmen, entertainers, attorneys, politicians, etc) than Minahasans. I only know Minahasans to be famous in entertainment industry, and not always in a positive way.

Gw ga maksud menghina atau melecehkan suku tertentu ya, cuma ngasi info doang (makanya gw pake Bahasa Indonesia aja supaya yg lain ga tau aib kt). Pelacur Minahasa itu terkenal sekali di Jakarta, panggilannya cewek Kawanua. Ini adalah sebuah komunitas yang besar, terdiri dari cowok2 yang main kartu sambil nungguin cewek2nya "kerja" ngelayanin pria2 hidung belang.

the most non sense statement i have ever read here.
Minahasa doesn't worship western, i don't see it. and i'm Minahasan. you just based ur observation in one aspect, the wedding..which is unfair. yes our wedding ceremony is westernized, but it doesn't mean we worship western. please make further research about Minahasa before it misleads you.
and it's not our fault that Minahasan prostitutes are more famous, because no argue our girls are beautiful! i'm sure ur aware enough that prostitutes are not all from Minahasa, they are just more demanded. that's a huge different! are we clear about this?

more famous and successful Bataks and Torajans? well, maybe it is. but remember more Bataks are corruptor, criminal, etc...you rarely hear Manadonese does a heavy crimes, don't you? because we are very nice people

[XxRyoChanxX]

NEWGINAFEST I understand that you are offended by that statement Bhaskara made.
but please don't start accussing other ethnic group. that's not a way to solve this misunderstanding

[Bhaskara]

Hahaha, I just knew my words would brought rage from the Minahasans. But don't forget, I was not the one who started the whole western-worshipping issue, it was started by your own comrade, minaaa when she said:

"Basically, Manadonese people are very modernism than any other region in indonesianm, due do being ruled by the Dutch in the earlier years. For example, the wedding styles in Manado, is basically the same as an western wedding, although if you observe an javanese or a dayak wedding..its more traditional and conservative."

You see, she was the one who thinks that Minahasans are modern because they were ruled by the Dutch, which is silly in so many levels. First, because most of Indonesians were ruled by the Dutch, and second, having Western doesn't mean you're "modern", it only means you are a sell-out.

And to think that there are so many Minahasans here in the forum who praise themselves for being "white", and that is also a sign of your inclinations to the western standards. It's kinda sad actually, when there are a lot of Minahasans that are dark-skinned too. Yeah, you heard me. You think I don't know anything about Sulawesi Utara? Maybe you're right, but from what I've seen in Manado and Siladen island, it's not like it's a wonderland full of white-skinned people

Again, it's sad to hear that you are so proud of your so-called white skin. The Dayaks, The Palembangs and The Sundanese are known to with that traits too (look at majapahitan's skin, he's snow white), but you never hear them brag about it as if it's the only thing that matter and if you're not white you're ugly. Pathetic. FYI, I'm from Kalimantan and I have fair skin too, but I don't think it's an important trait of beauty, and I look down on people who do

[XxRyoChanxX]

Hahaha, I just knew my words would brought rage from the Minahasans. But don't forget, I was not the one who started the whole western-worshipping issue, it was started by your own comrade, minaaa when she said:

"Basically, Manadonese people are very modernism than any other region in indonesianm, due do being ruled by the Dutch in the earlier years. For example, the wedding styles in Manado, is basically the same as an western wedding, although if you observe an javanese or a dayak wedding..its more traditional and conservative."

You see, she was the one who thinks that Minahasans are modern because they were ruled by the Dutch, which is silly in so many levels. First, because most of Indonesians were ruled by the Dutch, and second, having Western doesn't mean you're "modern", it only means you are a sell-out.

And to think that there are so many Minahasans here in the forum who praise themselves for being "white", and that is also a sign of your inclinations to the western standards. It's kinda sad actually, when there are a lot of Minahasans that are dark-skinned too. Yeah, you heard me. You think I don't know anything about Sulawesi Utara? Maybe you're right, but from what I've seen in Manado and Siladen island, it's not like it's a wonderland full of white-skinned people

Again, it's sad to hear that you are so proud of your so-called white skin. The Dayaks, The Palembangs and The Sundanese are known to with that traits too (look at majapahitan's skin, he's snow white), but you never hear them brag about it as if it's the only thing that matter and if you're not white you're ugly. Pathetic. FYI, I'm from Kalimantan and I have fair skin too, but I don't think it's an important trait of beauty, and I look down on people who do

So you think western people prefer white skin?
then why would they get a tan in the first place then?
I'm minahasan, But I don't remember ever saying that I prefer to be white skin or that I'm proud to be white skin.and I don't brag!

You see, she was the one who thinks that Minahasans are modern because they were ruled by the Dutch, which is silly in so many levels. First, because most of Indonesians were ruled by the Dutch, and second, having Western doesn't mean you're "modern", it only means you are a sell-out.

is it so0 wrong to be Influence by the western? I don't understand why you would call us out to be a sell out?
and yes of course I know that there are dark skinned Minahasan.
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more History of MINAHASA

These are the nine subethnic groups in Minahasa (which explains the number 9 in Manguni Maka-9):
Tonsea, Tombulu, Tontemboan, Tondano, Tonsawang, Pasan Ratahan, Ponosakan, Babontehu and Bantik.

The name Minahasa itself arose at the time the Minahasans fought against Bolaang Mangondow. Among the Minahasan heroes in these wars against Bolaang Mangondow are: Porong, Wenas, Dumanaw and Lengkong (in the war near Lilang village), Gerungan, Korengkeng, Walalangi (near Panasen, Tondano), Wungkar, Sayow, Lumi, and Worotikan (in the war along Amurang Bay).

This post has been edited by XxRyoChanxX: Aug 6 2007, 01:27 PM

[claudia]

Baskhara: We didn't said we're proud to be white. I think that's your missundertood.

You think I don't know anything about Sulawesi Utara? Maybe you're right, but from what I've seen in Manado and Siladen island, it's not like it's a wonderland full of white-skinned people

Siladen island is another island in North Sulawesi but they're not a Minahasan ethnicity rather Sangihe or another ethnic which is commonly in dark brown skin.
The Manado Tua island also has dark skin people because the people who lives there mostly from Sangihe.
The Minahasan people came from Minahasan regions and are lives in the those regions or live in Manado as the city of the Provinces. Because of the Manado city itself became populated of migrated people from onther provinces, when tourist or other ethnic came to Manado they have opinion that Minahasan also dark skin.
Minahasan onriginl normaly white skin specially when they're born but some are slightly changed as they get older.

No problem Baskhara: Come to Tomohon where or the hinglands are of Minahasans people. You will find the answer, take a look at the girls and boys and you'll find the answer.
Btw: some example some people you may know whose from Tomohon region.
* Dirly Sompie: runner up Idol 2006 was born in Tomohon but moved to Kokole which is another part of northern Minahasa.
* Donna Agnesi Wayong: she's still related to me she born in Jkt but her Father's a Tomohon blood, I ddon't know her mother.
* Angelina Karamoy: She's a Tomohon blood to.
* Steve (something): Top 11/10 Indonesian Idol 4, he's a Tomohon boy.
*Me & rhyon came form Tomohon too.

You're probebly right about other Minahasans with dark skin but maybe because they're not 100% pure Minahasan anymore. It's not about proud but about reality. Cheers!

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Baskhara And to think that there are so many Minahasans here in the forum who praise themselves for being "white", and that is also a sign of your inclinations to the western standards. It's kinda sad actually, when there are a lot of Minahasans that are dark-skinned too
Again, it's sad to hear that you are so proud of your so-called white skin. The Dayaks, The Palembangs and The Sundanese are known to with that traits too (look at majapahitan's skin, he's snow white), but you never hear them brag about it as if it's the only thing that matter and if you're not white you're ugly. Pathetic. FYI, I'm from Kalimantan and I have fair skin too, but I don't think it's an important trait of beauty, and I look down on people who do

Again, you're missunderstood in some of my posts. I'm talking about the extnichity and what & how do they look like to describe the reality not to be proud. I'm also talking about the Pure Minahasan and probably the real anchestor so than there's a prove between all ethnic what's the differents. Btw, here's some more about Minahasans & please read the bold sentences below so you can easily know how come some Minahasans today darker skin.

The Origin of Minahasa People
It is unknown when the land of Minahasa was first occupied by humans, but the warugas (sarcophagi) in Sawangan provide evidence that the ancestors of the Minahasan people date from the stone age. The Minahasans believe that they are descendants of Toar and Lumimuut. Initially, the descendants of Toar-Lumimuut were divided into 3 groups: Makatelu-pitu (three times seven), Makaru-siuw (two times nine) and Pasiowan-Telu (nine times three). They multiplied quickly. But soon there were disputes among these people. Their leaders (Tona'as) then decided to meet and talk about this. They met in Awuan (north of the current Tonderukan hill). That meeting was called Pinawetengan u-nuwu (dividing of language) or Pinawetengan um-posan (dividing of ritual). At that meeting the descendants were divided into three groups named Tonsea, Tombulu, and Tontemboan corresponding to the groups mentioned above. At the place where this meeting took place a memorial stone called Watu Pinabetengan (Stone of Dividing) was then built. It is a favourite tourist destination.

The groups Tonsea, Tombulu, and Tontemboan then established their main territories which were Maiesu, Niaranan, and Tumaratas respectively. Soon several villages were established outside these territories. These new villages then became a ruling center of a group of villages called puak, later walak, comparable to the present-day district.

Subsequently a new group of people arrived in Pulisan peninsula. Due to numerous conflicts in this area, they then moved inland and established villages surrounding a large lake. These people were therefore called Tondano, Toudano or Toulour (meaning water people). This lake is now the Tondano lake.

In the following years, more groups came to Minahasa. There were:

people from the islands of Maju and Tidore who landed in Atep. These people were the ancestors of the subethnic Tonsawang.
people from Tomori Bay. These were the ancestors of the subethnic Pasam-bangko (Ratahan dan Pasan)
people from Bolaang Mangondow who were the ancestors of Ponosakan (Belang).
people from the Bacan archipelago and Sangi, who then occupied Lembeh, Talisei Island, Manado Tua, Bunaken and Mantehage. These were the subethnic Bobentehu (Bajo). They landed in the place now called Sindulang. They then established a kingdom called Manado which ended in 1670 and became walak Manado.
people from Toli-toli, who in the early 1700s landed first in Panimburan and then went to Bolaang-Mangondow
and finally to the place where Malalayang is now located. These people were the ancestors of the subethnic Bantik.
These are the nine subethnic groups in Minahasa (which explains the number 9 in Manguni Maka-9): Tonsea, Tombulu, Tontemboan, Tondano, Tonsawang, Pasan Ratahan, Ponosakan, Babontehu and Bantik.

The name Minahasa itself arose at the time the Minahasans fought against Bolaang Mangondow. Among the Minahasan heroes in these wars against Bolaang Mangondow are: Porong, Wenas, Dumanaw and Lengkong (in the war near Lilang village), Gerungan, Korengkeng, Walalangi (near Panasen, Tondano), Wungkar, Sayow, Lumi, and Worotikan (in the war along Amurang Bay).

This post has been edited by claudia: Aug 6 2007, 07:09 PM

[minaaaa]

Hahaha, I just knew my words would brought rage from the Minahasans. But don't forget, I was not the one who started the whole western-worshipping issue, it was started by your own comrade, minaaa when she said:

"Basically, Manadonese people are very modernism than any other region in indonesianm, due do being ruled by the Dutch in the earlier years. For example, the wedding styles in Manado, is basically the same as an western wedding, although if you observe an javanese or a dayak wedding..its more traditional and conservative."

You see, she was the one who thinks that Minahasans are modern because they were ruled by the Dutch, which is silly in so many levels. First, because most of Indonesians were ruled by the Dutch, and second, having Western doesn't mean you're "modern", it only means you are a sell-out.

And to think that there are so many Minahasans here in the forum who praise themselves for being "white", and that is also a sign of your inclinations to the western standards. It's kinda sad actually, when there are a lot of Minahasans that are dark-skinned too. Yeah, you heard me. You think I don't know anything about Sulawesi Utara? Maybe you're right, but from what I've seen in Manado and Siladen island, it's not like it's a wonderland full of white-skinned people

Again, it's sad to hear that you are so proud of your so-called white skin. The Dayaks, The Palembangs and The Sundanese are known to with that traits too (look at majapahitan's skin, he's snow white), but you never hear them brag about it as if it's the only thing that matter and if you're not white you're ugly. Pathetic. FYI, I'm from Kalimantan and I have fair skin too, but I don't think it's an important trait of beauty, and I look down on people who do

Bhaskara, i did not start this rant, you did, because you were the ONLY 1 offended. I was using Javanese and Dayaks as an example, & obviously you stated you are Dayak and didn't quite handle what i said. I am not trying to "belittle" other regions in Indonesia, i am just expressing & sharing my perspective of what i know about minahasans, as this thread is obviously about Minahasans. We are not proud of our white skin, we were just well-known for our light complexion. And yes indeed, of course there are heaps of light skinned people across all provinces in indo, not only in Manado - Geees you got that right. lol.
Secondy, i agree, that light complexions isn't an essential trait of beauty. I mean, if you observe Indonesia, 90% (ungenuine statistic, just a random guess) of you guys are dark. So get over it. You only see a small portion who are not. I guess its the whole Eastern culture thing, who think the lighter is better. Although if you make comparisons to Western Culture, It's totally the opposite. FYI, i am light skinned & i try to tan in summer to achieve a bronze look. LOL.
Personally, i think tanned/Bronze complexions are HOT! (& i think i am the 1st person who said that, coz all you black @$$ people tend to like the opposite. haha)

MORE INFO:
The region was colonized in the 16th century by the Portuguese, then the Dutch. The Minahasa identify strongly with the Dutch language and the Protestant faith - so strongly, in fact, that when Indonesia became independent in 1945 inhabitants of the region pleaded with the Dutch to let it become a province of the Netherlands. (source) Their music, too, is highly influenced by that of their former colonial rulers; their festivals feature large marching ensembles made up of clarinets, saxophones (source), trumpets, trombones, and tubas, all constructed out of local bamboo.

This post has been edited by minaaaa: Aug 6 2007, 10:13 PM

[NEWGINAFETS]

NEWGINAFEST I understand that you are offended by that statement Bhaskara made.
but please don't start accussing other ethnic group. that's not a way to solve this misunderstanding

i know, i was just trying to make clear things. what i stated was true, i didn't make it up like someone else
but yeah maybe we should solve this cold headedly. let's see ...

[Bhaskara]

Urgh.. I guess I've hurt people that I didn't want to hurt, for that I'm sorry. Yes, you never brag about your light skin, Ryo-chan. But I remember claudia and minaaa mention that Minahasan girls are beautiful and light-skinned, and I resent that kind of backward way of thinking.

Yes, the Americans love bronze skin of a girl with suntan, but that is only a new trend, and it's only cool if a caucasian who got tanned. If you are familiar with western classic literature, you'd know that they adore "milky white" and "fair" and "creamy white" etc. Why do you think they look down on brown people and enslave black people?

So to make it clear, I just hate the sellout people with backward and feudal way of thinking, not the culture, not the people, God no! I love Indah Kalalo, and she's hot and she's tan!

If someone is beautiful, s/he is beautiful regardless her/his skin color and ethnicity. If someone is ugly, s/he's ugly no matter how white s/he is. But sadly some of our sisters still hold on to the norms of the old days given by the colonialist, when even the colonialists have already beginning to abandon those norms themselves. Even when replying to my posting, these people still deny those who are with brown complexion as their own, trying to relate to the Filipinos instead, how pathetic. The Filipinos are diversed, just like us. There are people with brown complexion, there are people with fair complexion, and there are even people with black complexion in the Philippines. To even make that kind of remarks show how silly you are.

[XxRyoChanxX]

Urgh.. I guess I've hurt people that I didn't want to hurt, for that I'm sorry. Yes, you never brag about your light skin, Ryo-chan. But I remember claudia and minaaa mention that Minahasan girls are beautiful and light-skinned, and I resent that kind of backward way of thinking.

Yes, the Americans love bronze skin of a girl with suntan, but that is only a new trend, and it's only cool if a caucasian who got tanned. If you are familiar with western classic literature, you'd know that they adore "milky white" and "fair" and "creamy white" etc. Why do you think they look down on brown people and enslave black people?

So to make it clear, I just hate the sellout people with backward and feudal way of thinking, not the culture, not the people, God no! I love Indah Kalalo, and she's hot and she's tan!

If someone is beautiful, s/he is beautiful regardless her/his skin color and ethnicity. If someone is ugly, s/he's ugly no matter how white s/he is. But sadly some of our sisters still hold on to the norms of the old days given by the colonialist, when even the colonialists have already beginning to abandon those norms themselves. Even when replying to my posting, these people still deny those who are with brown complexion as their own, trying to relate to the Filipinos instead, how pathetic. The Filipinos are diversed, just like us. There are people with brown complexion, there are people with fair complexion, and there are even people with black complexion in the Philippines. To even make that kind of remarks show how silly you are.

I also Apologize if I offended you in anyway.
I understand where you are coming from.