Altaic Asians - the Horde (orda), Sons of Siberia who shook the World Options

[Saiak]

Mongolics: Khalkha, Oirads etc



Tungids: Manchu etc



Turkics: Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Yakut etc.




From Xiongnu and Huns to Mughals and Early Ottomans and countless others with love.
- the only asian looking people who conquered Middle East, Eastern and Central Europe, Northern Africa, South Asia etc.

Let's discuss everything concerning our culture, history and similarities... All guests are welcome.

This post has been edited by Saiak: Aug 6 2011, 05:15 PM

[AsiaticGlory]

I am a Taiwanese guy but I have a lot of respect for the Altaic nomads. They are the Asiatics who conquered the most land. I see them as a role model for Asian men worldwide. However, a lot of the Altaic nomads mixed with non-Asiatic races. Thus, countries like Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, etc. are full of non-Asiatics who speak Altaic languages.

[Saiak]

AsiaticGlory,

Thank you, Glory! I also have tremendous respect for my Southern Neighbor! No need to list huge scale contributions made by China, cause everybody uses them in one way or another.
The current state of True Altaic people is quite miserable, I have to admit. But let's hope for the better! Maybe things will play out in our favor?

Thus, countries like Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, etc. are full of non-Asiatics who speak Altaic languages.

Well, yeah... It's like a white/black person with a 1 - 9% Chinese admixture claiming that he's fully Chinese, while saying that Mainland Chinese are mixed with Mongolians, thus the Mongoloid looks... That's what "they" say about Turks, while teaching young Anatolians about Europeoid origin of Steppe Riders from Central Asia... ridiculous, isn't it? Conquest and Colonization is the answer...

This post has been edited by Saiak: Aug 6 2011, 11:48 PM

[CAsian]

AsiaticGlory,

Thank you, Glory! I also have tremendous respect for my Southern Neighbor! No need to list huge scale contributions made by China, cause everybody uses them in one way or another.
The current state of True Altaic people is quite miserable, I have to admit. But let's hope for the better! Maybe things will play out in our favor?



Well, yeah... It's like a white/black person with a 1 - 9% Chinese admixture claiming that he's fully Chinese, while saying that Mainland Chinese are mixed with Mongolians, thus the Mongoloid looks... That's what "they" say about Turks, while teaching young Anatolians about Europeoid origin of Steppe Riders from Central Asia... ridiculous, isn't it? Conquest and Colonization is the answer...

I have noticed that many Turkish people who posts their comments in youtube are obsessed by panturkism/panaltaism nowadays. Their passsion surprises me a lot. It looks like they are ready for expansion.

[Saiak]

I have noticed that many Turkish people who posts their comments in youtube are obsessed by panturkism/panaltaism nowadays. Their passsion surprises me a lot. It looks like they are ready for expansion.

Turkey views itself as the only successor of all Turkic empires, which is obviously a huge pile of donkey poop assumption. One thing I've noticed is that real Turks from Central Asia are not as aggressive about false propaganda as those wannabes. We all know the Truth, stop wasting your time rewriting the history!

[CAsian]

Turkey views itself as the only successor of all Turkic empires, which is obviously a huge pile of donkey poop assumption. One thing I've noticed is that real Turks from Central Asia are not as aggressive about false propaganda as those wannabes. We all know the Truth, stop wasting your time rewriting the history!

yes, the real turks are not aggressive about panturkism although being a turk is very important for our mentality. I think that in a whole two things are the most important for CA people: first, being a turk, second being a muslim (for religious people) although nowadays some people try to restore our superethnic memory of Tengry (which means Sky). At the same time, being not religious at all is quite ok with people of nomadic ancestry.
I think that the real turkic people are not aggressive by nature. They are very tolerant to other cultures and religions. That can be proven by the fact of their assimilation with many peoples.

[AsiaticGlory]

AsiaticGlory,

Thank you, Glory! I also have tremendous respect for my Southern Neighbor! No need to list huge scale contributions made by China, cause everybody uses them in one way or another.
The current state of True Altaic people is quite miserable, I have to admit. But let's hope for the better! Maybe things will play out in our favor?

Central Asia did become independent after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Russian Federation of today may not last long so the Altaic nomads of Siberia might become independent as well.

What is your view on Inner Mongolia and East Turkestan?
Personally, I try to avoid intra-Asian conflicts.

Well, yeah... It's like a white/black person with a 1 - 9% Chinese admixture claiming that he's fully Chinese, while saying that Mainland Chinese are mixed with Mongolians, thus the Mongoloid looks... That's what "they" say about Turks, while teaching young Anatolians about Europeoid origin of Steppe Riders from Central Asia... ridiculous, isn't it? Conquest and Colonization is the answer...

There are Afrocentrics who claim China was founded by Negroids. They say that the "Chinese blacks" became Mongoloid when they mixed with northerners from Mongolia. Afrocentrics believe black Africans are responsible for all of human civilization.
Then there are Nordicists who claim China was built by the Tocharians and that the Ainu were "whites" who built Japan.

In addition, a lot of Hungarians and some other Europeans are rewriting history to claim Attila the Hun was a "white man."

I think it will be up to Kazakhstan to teach the world real Turkic history.

[Saiak]

What is your view on Inner Mongolia and East Turkestan?
Personally, I try to avoid intra-Asian conflicts.

Altaic world fought on many frontiers, but China's always been a special destination. Those truly historic lands such as Siberia, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia now belong to former Communists. In the modern world, it's not possible for 100 Horsemen to fight against thousands of organized Hans as it was some 1000 years ago. Military tactics have changed, the world has changed dramatically. Disintegrated nomads will never succeed, until they unite and create a system...I mean a real government with a strong Ideology. We will continue losing our lands - that's my grim prediction.

There are Afrocentrics who claim China was founded by Negroids. They say that the "Chinese blacks" became Mongoloid when they mixed with northerners from Mongolia. Afrocentrics believe black Africans are responsible for all of human civilization.
Then there are Nordicists who claim China was built by the Tocharians and that the Ainu were "whites" who built Japan.

In addition, a lot of Hungarians and some other Europeans are rewriting history to claim Attila the Hun was a "white man."

Yeah, a pile of BS. If you look at East Asia, South Eastern Asia, and even some parts of Northern Asia - China is the main cultural dictator.

I think it will be up to Kazakhstan to teach the world real Turkic history.

No one Turkic country can teach the world about Turks, until it rids itself from corruption, mankurtism, and dictatorship. Kazakhstan has a long way to go. But lets hope for the better.

[lettucebecereal]

There should be a Sons of Siberia sitcom , where altaic biker gangs invade europe. That would actually be pretty bad @$$.

This post has been edited by lettucebecereal: Aug 8 2011, 04:14 PM

[KraterosHellas]

mongols and turks are the pride of asia. they kicked so much @$$ in the west

[CAsian]

mongols and turks are the pride of asia. they kicked so much @$$ in the west

lol but now even 100% asian looking decendants of turk-mongols are the result of mix with those people in the west. As for me I do realize that Sciphians/Saks are our ancestors too and we should show them respect. They were also the great people who captured big territories from CA till Nothern India long time before turks.

[Saiak]

Some Turkic people from rural areas of Central Asia and Siberia:

Yakuts:


Kazakh:


Kyrgyz


Nogais:

[ElapsePride]

hope China and Mongolia will have better relationship.

[ComradeDeki]

Mongolia was too busy being Sovietbros and the Republic of China was too busy claiming Mongolia as its territory. Meanwhile, Chinese from the PRC keep flooding in like Mexicans. However, I'd like to see improvement as well, which China is encouraging with the power of foreign investment.

[CAsian]

In the past altaic people were like heavy shower which lasts no more than half an hour... Worriors by nature they fecundated so many cultures and spread their genes in so different places but their direct decendants do not have big and powerful states nowadays. In comparence with them what is the strenth of chinese civilization? What do you think?

[ElapsePride]

Mongolia was too busy being Sovietbros and the Republic of China was too busy claiming Mongolia as its territory.

Mongolia is Mongolia, China is China, history is past, future is yet to be written, China is changing , slowly, things are messy at the moment.

Meanwhile, Chinese from the PRC keep flooding in like Mexicans. However, I'd like to see improvement as well, which China is encouraging with the power of foreign investment.

no need to be mad at those poor workers who work like dogs to feed their families, change the policy instead.

In the past altaic people were like heavy shower which lasts no more than half an hour... Worriors by nature they fecundated so many cultures and spread their genes in so different places but their direct decendants do not have big and powerful states nowadays. In comparence with them what is the strenth of chinese civilization? What do you think?

In most of the cases, Mongolian worriors just looted and plundered other than spreading culture and assimilating, this is probably one of the biggest reasons for Mongol empire didn't last long,
as an old Chinese phrase says " it's easy to conquer a land, it's difficult to keep it", you will need advanced and superior culture in various of aspects such as musics, technologies, beautiful costumes, philosophies etc to influence the people whom you have conquered, which the Mongolians back then lacked.

the funder of the Yuan dynasty, Kublai, did a great job, he's a respectable conqueror,
however, his descendent was just pointless, corrupted in enjoyment, treated civilians like slaves,
they just didn't know how to run a country and prosper existing culture they adopted from local people, instead, they wasted the opportunity that could make the Yuan dynasty one of the most powerful country both militarily and culturally.
in my opinion, they were just warriors after all, not creators/changers

This post has been edited by ElapsePride: Aug 10 2011, 05:35 PM

[AsiaticGlory]

In the past altaic people were like heavy shower which lasts no more than half an hour... Worriors by nature they fecundated so many cultures and spread their genes in so different places but their direct decendants do not have big and powerful states nowadays. In comparence with them what is the strenth of chinese civilization? What do you think?

Each group had their strengths and weaknesses.

East Asians had the technology, manpower, and industry to conquer but lacked the strength and warrior-hood to do so. Altaic nomads had the opposite.

Unfortunately for us Asians, white people had a balance of both traits so they were the ones who dominated the world. We see white people on all four corners of the planet and we see their culture everywhere. The fact we speak English instead of Chinese or Mongolian is just more evidence of the white man's dominance. Compared to the influence wielded by the white man's Christianity, the Asian religions of Tengrism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, and Shintoism look like obscure cults.

[CAsian]

in my opinion, they were just warriors after all, not creators/changers

thank you for sharing, ElapsePride
I would say they were creators and big changers only by the fact of their co-existence and assimilation with the settled worlds. May be it was even their destiny to stir too stable societies. Usually after they come to any region the "new age" culture starts to rise. IMHO

[CAsian]

Unfortunately for us Asians, white people had a balance of both traits so they were the ones who dominated the world. We see white people on all four corners of the planet and we see their culture everywhere. The fact we speak English instead of Chinese or Mongolian is just more evidence of the white man's dominance. Compared to the influence wielded by the white man's Christianity, the Asian religions of Tengrism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, and Shintoism look like obscure cults.

thank you, AsiaticGlory
everything is changing like clouds in the sky. The westerners were not advanced even one thousand years ago. Now their population is decreasing, the production centers are shifted to Asia etc. Asian countries have the highest IQ level in the world. I suspect the majority of people on the earth are asians.
I do not want to offence anybody but I see any religion including Christianity as a set of beautiful tales and instructions how to spend lifetime for common people. I used to enjoy some books on Daosism and Sufism which extend awareness. They are ezoteric rather than exoteric.
Asian race is the youngest one, from what I have read I cought the idea of leading role of asian race in human evolution in the future.
Of course, I can be mistaken (who knows the future?). I hope that my guess was not created by any inferiority complex if they exist (I hope they don't).

[ElapsePride]

thank you for sharing, ElapsePride
I would say they were creators and big changers only by the fact of their co-existence and assimilation with the settled worlds. May be it was even their destiny to stir too stable societies. Usually after they come to any region the "new age" culture starts to rise. IMHO

you are very wise.
what I meant by "they" is the decedent of Kublai.
Kublai, who was not only a great conqueror, but also a great leader, he's certainly a creator as well.
I'm not an expert but from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Dynasty
you can see that Kublai was very open-minded and creative. but his decedent wasted all his effort devoted in building a real long lasting and great empire

This post has been edited by ElapsePride: Aug 11 2011, 05:22 AM