The U.S is really against Vietnam even in 2010, read this Options

[Cubano]

Some people called the American "child murderers" but it is not anti US spoke it was true









Warning It is graphic
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Fetuses Deformed by Agent Orange

Aborted fetuses from mothers who were affected by Agent Orange during the Vietnam War, are kept for study at the Tu Do Obstetrical Hospital in Ho Chi Minh City. Many "Agent Orange babies" have severe deformities. The Tu Du Obstetrical Hospital is an important center for International and Vietnamese research on the long term effects of this chemical.

There no are nothing difference with Cambodian genocide is kill innocent people for defend the “Democracy and Liberty” Pol Pot kill people for defend the “revolution” Pol Pot, US forces in Vietnam same $hit for me

This post has been edited by Cubano: Feb 15 2010, 12:53 AM

[Aristotle]

Every state there is a government that monopolize the means of violence to enforce laws and establish order. This is true everywhere, whether it be democracies or totalitarian government. Pol pot was only defending his version of a "good " society, and that good society is no Vietnamese, no ethnic minorities, no educated, no rich individuals, and everyone that speaks up again the government must die.

I just don't share Pol pot's vision of a "good" society.

Democracies might not be the best system but it is the best we have. Socialism also is good mixed with bad ideology.

btw the U.S is by no means a nice country, it invaded a bunch of nations for self interest. The point I am trying to make is that democracies is good, not the U.S. BUT the U.S is better than China if compare the two evils.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Feb 15 2010, 01:11 AM

[Cubano]

Yeah but Pol Pot in Cambodia (With Chinese support) and the US forces in Vietnam do the same kill innocent people with different politics reasons but both looking for take their objectives

And both lose against Vietnam

Whatever this is not for me the true democracy and US no is the better country to said what country have “democracy” and who “not have” and Who is “terrorist” and who “not”

Why they never help to rebuilt Vietnam and Laos ?

No they just waste a lot money for news wars. Whatever some independents organization in US try help and it is a small progress

As today the Vietnamese rebuild their country with almost any help US only do after the War a economical Embargo

[Aristotle]

One man's justice is another's injustice;
on man's beauty another's ugliness;
one man's wisdom another's folly.
........
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

and so on...


Athena's liberty= many truths. many gods, many kings. If you don't like the truth set by a certain organization then you cut your own path or find your own truth.


Now, you are definitely not wrong. Although I disagree with the part where U.S is not democracy because the evidence is overwhelming that it is. To deny such would make me an idiot. And evidence also point out that democracies is the best system there is, under this system it promotes the Life Ethic the most.

This post has been edited by Aristotle: Feb 15 2010, 01:23 AM

[HelloEveryone]

HAHAHA, the Evil US must hate the Vietnamese people and love the South-Korean people. HAHAHA........ (End of sarcasm....).

I'm amused by the Brainwashed Little Hypocrites Commies (Brainwashed means they spent their young childhood in Commie-Vietnam, Commie-Cuba, Commie-China where NO JOURNALIST can criticize Commie-Fidel, Commie-Ho, Commie-Kim, Commie-Pol-Pot, and Commie-Mao.

Hmm, lets see.

a) In 1950-1970 in USA, there are MANY Press-Media that will publish on their Newspapers any photo, just to give a bad image to the US's army.

During the same years in Commie Vietnam and Commie China, NOT A SINGLE journal dares to post ANY (ANY AT ALL) bad image about your Commie China and your Commie Vietnam.

b) Every News' image the Brainwashed Little Hypocrites Commies post has a WRITTEN story (About what happened, what year, at what location, who is the photographer who took those pictures).

You see, that's perfectly FINE that the Brainwashed Little Hypocrites Commies post those pictures but why don't these Brainwashed Little Hypocrites Commies post the WRITTEN story about these pictures by those who took those pictures ?

The US/SOUTH-VIETNAM photo-journalists always WRITE DOWN exactly what happened, what year, what location so that everything is documented.

Everyone would hope to read more about those stories.

...........................

Now, the Commie "Liberators" are so nice...and the Americans and Australians are so evil HAHAHA.

No wonder there are SOOOOOOO many Little Hypocrites Commies on this board living in the "evil" US and Australia.. HAHAHA... (End of sarcasm....).

This post has been edited by HelloEveryone: Feb 15 2010, 01:44 PM

[Aristotle]

Now, that's an example of dogma and insensitive to nuances.





This post has been edited by Aristotle: Feb 15 2010, 11:07 AM

[Cubano]

US must hate the Vietnamese

It happened during the cool war so “Strategic” for save the “Freedom” is part of the past but it happend and Vietnam suffered as today the consequences from the illegal US war, The US people is good I like them and respect them especially Jane Fonda and John Kerry...

US lost 0 civilian in Vietnam war Vietnam lost hundreds of thousands killed by the American forces especially the bombers so as today some civilian people continue day in Vietnam caused by the unexploded bombs.

Ouch remember also the “Collateral damage” from American Chemical Warfare some people suffered today the constituencies for that

who took those pictures ?

Wester media I taken is from Corbis (pro US site)

The US/SOUTH-VIETNAM photo-journalists always WRITE DOWN exactly what happened, what year, what location so that everything is documented.

It is incorrect they document almost all in South Vietnam and US / ARVN military operation but almost nothing in North Vietnam. The French / Japanese / Soviet media was in part with communist side

The US media was with US side but went the time the war star long and insane it make them nervous.

OMFG kill children is good for you? For sure they (the American) was a fu-king cruel bastards in Vietnam

They destroyed civilian houses schools hospitals and do almost nothing real military damage to the NLF /NVA




Yeah this sons of b!tch destroyed this Church



Yeah they also destroyed this Buddhism temples

This post has been edited by Cubano: Feb 15 2010, 04:27 PM

[Cubano]

Now, the Commie "Liberators" are so nice...and the Americans and Australians are so evil HAHAHA

Australians military mobilisation was small they role was just in land, like another allied the US allied combo allied South Korea, New Zeeland, Philippines.

The ARVN fight the most important battles in ground. US fight in land during 1965-69 after it 1970-73 just air support killing a lot more civilian people.

Democracy or not democracy Nothing can justify those US Crimes !!!!!


BTW US “humanitarian” treatment with the “Communist” POW was no good

[Cubano]

Commie-Pol-Pot, and Commie-Mao.

You are Wrong the American take the Chinese on his side since 1972 went Richard Nixon and Kissinger visited Beijing and China stop to sent help to Vietnam this same year after 1973 china get from the American economical help so china was still very poor back the 70s.

Went Vietnam invaded Kampuchea for remove Pol Pot from the power China and US do together against Vietnam, the Chinese government get a limited diplomatic support from US government for attack Vietnam in 1979, early the 80s the American do a Limited support the Khmer Rouge (Pot Pot guerrillas) with “humanitarian” and “no lethal” military aid against the Vietnamese occupation in Kampuchea


This post has been edited by Cubano: Feb 15 2010, 04:51 PM

[superban]

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The CIA has been organizing "regime change" for 50 years. They have removed many governments that are unfriendly to US corporate interests and replaced them with regimes that are more likely to work closely and slavishly to carry out the economic and geopolitical desires of the US corporate elite.

But the CIA's crimes don't end when a right-wing coup has succeeded. The CIA then has to keep its repressive despots in power in order to ensure that they can put into place and then maintain a variety of unjust economic systems and structures. This is done with arms sales (and outright gifts of "surplus" weapons), glowing diplomatic support, "intelligence support" (sic) and massive economic investment (i.e., pillaging as much profit as possible by exploiting the natural resources that drew them in there in the first place, and handing out some of the spoils to a loyal local elite).

When the corporate media describe the CIA's use of political assassination as if it exists in isolation from mass imprisonment, torture and murder, they cover up the horror, pain and suffering experienced by thousands of ordinary people in countries where CIA-backed blood baths have taken place. They neglect to reveal that when the CIA carries out its high-profile assassination efforts, they also carry out murders of thousands of lesser-known political figures.

It's standard procedure with many coups that thousands of grassroots activists and organizers get rounded up, tortured and killed. Such waves of mass violence make today's serial sniper in Washington look like a Boy Scout. The CIA has used such goons to eliminate its opponents and as a scare tactic to ensure that other citizens, who might otherwise have protested the regime change, decide instead to lay very low in order to stay alive.

An apt example of a real CIA assassination campaign was the "Phoenix Program" in Vietnam. Tens of thousands of people where specifically targetted, tracked down and assassinated, many by snipers. Although Helms held the post of Director of the CIA during the height of this mass serial assassination program, none of the 98 recent stories on Helms, found with the google search engine, even mention Phoenix. Reliable estimates on the total number of people killed by the US in South East Asia during the Vietnam war range from three to five million people. But, of course, there is no mention of Helms culpability in any recent corporate media articles. they say it is taboo to speak ill of the dead, but what they don't say is that it is even more taboo to speak ill of the CIA, or breath word that CIA directors are criminals for overseeing the deliberate murder of millions of innocent civilians.

During Helms' tenure as director of the CIA under President Johnson, he also oversaw the "secret war" against Laos. But, it was no secret for the people of Laos. Over two million tons of bombs were dropped on this small country. The word "Laos" is not mentioned in any of the 98 recent corporate media articles found by google in a search for Richard Helms. Tio much of the world, it's still a "secret war."

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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

[Cubano]

The U.S military personal who drop and do the chemical warfare in Vietnam was con-decorated and compensated with money but as today the U.S (the country with more money in the earth) do nothing for the people (civilian) who suffered the effects.

Todavía existen dos bandos, ahora enfrentados en los tribunales. Hace unos meses Vietnam perdió el último recurso en la Corte Suprema norteamericana: sus ciudadanos no tienen derecho a indemnizaciones, ha dicho el juez, porque las empresas acusadas, que fabricaron los herbicidas, trabajaban para el Pentágono. Los soldados estadounidenses sí las están cobrando.

So there is the google Translation

There are still two sides, now facing the courts. Earlier this year Vietnam lost a last resort in the U.S. Supreme Court: its citizens are not entitled to damages, the judge said, because companies accused, who manufactured the herbicide, worked for the Pentagon. The U.S. soldiers are charging.

[HelloEveryone]

AHHHH....

Wow, I didn't know the Americans, the Australians, and the South-Koreans are so evil during the year 1950-1970.

During the same period, Commie-Chineses, Commie-Viets, and Commie-Soviets were SOOOOOOOOOO nice. HAHAHHAHAH.....(Sorry for my sarcasm).

No wonder we have so many Commies Lovers living in North-America and Australia today.

...... Hypocrites !

[tung123]

How old are you HelloEveryone ?

[CaptainVietnam]

How old are you HelloEveryone ?

don't feed the troll...

This post has been edited by CaptainVietnam: Feb 16 2010, 02:59 PM

[HelloEveryone]

AHHHH the Hypocrites Commies Lovers......

People know too well their favorite tactics:

a) Slightly change the arguments that their opponents make.

b) Trying to steer clear of the debate/dispute with slightly unrelated questions.

c) Acting like they didn't read what were written, or pretend they never saw the initial argument.

d) And when they cannot make an argument anymore, they resort to using profanity or other lowly words.

Hahaha....Typicall Hypocrites....

This post has been edited by HelloEveryone: Feb 16 2010, 03:07 PM

[HelloEveryone]

HAHAHA

I guess the Hypocrites cannot make any valid argument:

Hahahaha.... Sorry for my sarcasm my friends.

BTW, I wonder where is the dude who quotes himself a dozain times a day.

Quote:
AHHHH....

Wow, I didn't know the Americans, the Australians, and the South-Koreans are so evil during the year 1950-1970.

During the same period, Commie-Chineses, Commie-Viets, and Commie-Soviets were SOOOOOOOOOO nice. HAHAHHAHAH.....(Sorry for my sarcasm).

No wonder we have so many Commies Lovers living in North-America and Australia today.

...... Hypocrites !

This post has been edited by HelloEveryone: Feb 16 2010, 03:15 PM

[HelloEveryone]

Everyone is quite amused when the Little Hypocrites Commies are all living in "EVIL" America and "EVIL" Australia, enjoying the American's Freedom of Expression and Free Market Economy, realizing the American's dream.

All the while, they still think the Americans/Australians were the "INVADERS".

Hmmm, ..... Hypocrites, you are ALL working for the "INVADERS" in North-America and Australia.

This post has been edited by HelloEveryone: Feb 16 2010, 03:23 PM

[TINMAN]

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10035.html

So much for the delusion that Vietnam and U.S are "warming ties"

So this is why the old folks don't spend more than 3 months in Vietnam. Someone has to sign and deposit those social security checks.

[VietGuySJ]

Oh wow, the past! Bringing up a almost 50 year old war. Can I join in?

Does anyone remember how the Neanderthals Holocaust committed by the arrival of the Homo sapien immigration? Where is their museum? Where is their compensation?

[Cubano]

As now some Vietnamese people suffered the heavy constituencies from the war two of them do not over yet the agent orange and effect some another dioxins (US Chemical warfare) and the Unexploded bombs.

In fact the Quang Tri province have the 30% of the territory full from unexploded bombs

The agent orange is another problems and the US government help (is their fault) is almost nothings, they only looking the bones from Americans MIA in action in Vietnam and innocent people continue die caused the unexploded bombs

The US government in 1985 give a money from the US military personal who drop the dioxins in Vietnam but the Vietnamese people especially a lot children have nothing from US

the US government during 1975 - today only give 40$ millions to solved the problems but they wasted 600.000 $ millions for new wars per year. And they during 1982-1989 waste more than 200$ millions for supply the Khmer rouge and another anti Vietnamese factions in Laos and Cambodia

Vietnam only need the American help more to clean their $hits Vietnam Agent Orange and its thousands of tons of unexploded bombs that can kill more people today or tomorrow!

Is was made in October from 2009 is in Spanish but you can see what is the currenly situacion from some zones in Vietnam today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IshPToO5wxw

Germany give a lot money to the Jews from compensation about the WWII holocaust so Vietnam is the American holocaust why and US have more money than Germany.

fu-k US