Vietnam celebrates Buddha’s 2551st birthday Options

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Nation celebrates Buddha’s 2551st birthday

(01-06-2007)
President Nguyen Minh Triet attends celebrations to mark the 2551st anniversary of Buddha’s birth. — VNA/VNS Photo Nguyen Dan


Ha Noi — A grand meeting to mark the 2551st birthday of Buddha was held at the Buddhist Institute in the capital’s outlying district of Soc Son yesterday morning.

Speaking at the meeting President Nguyen Minh Triet reiterated the Party and Government’s consistent policy to respect and protect the people’s rights to freedom of religion in accordance with the country’s laws.

"The party and government have always facilitated conditions for religious followers and dignitaries to pursue their religions and fulfil their duties as citizens", said the President.

He said, continuing the country’s 2,000-year long history of Buddhism, the Viet Nam Buddhist Sangha has contributed much to the nation, in both socio-economical development and in promoting the fine tradition of mutual support of the Vietnamese people as they build a modern and progressive society.

President Triet called on the Viet Nam Buddhist Sangha, monks and nuns and Buddhist followers inside and outside Viet Nam to unite and make further contributions to the cause of national construction and defence.

Addressing the meeting, Pham The Duyet, Chairman of the Viet Nam Fatherland Front spoke highly of the achievements gained by the Viet Nam Buddhist Sangha in recent years.

He expressed his conviction that the Buddhist Sangha would initiate many more activities to consolidate national unity, conciliation and solemnity of the Sangha with the tenet "Religion – Nation – Socialism."

On behalf of the Executive Board of the Dharma Patronage Council of the Viet Nam Buddhist Sangha, the Most Venerable Thich Thanh Tu called on Buddhist followers nationwide to live constructively and actively take part in preparation activities for the coming 6th national congress of the Viet Nam Buddhist Sangha which is slated for late this year.

Also yesterday morning, President Nguyen Minh Triet, and Chairman Pham The Duyet attended the ground-breaking ceremony for the 2nd phase of the construction of the Viet Nam Buddhist Institute.

To mark the Buddha’s birthday, nearly 600 pagodas in the capital organised celebrations, with municipal and district leaders holding meetings with Buddhist dignitaries to extend their greetings to Buddhists. Many humanitarian activities to help disadvantaged and sick people across the capital were also organised.

In Thua Thien-Hue Province, the local leaders and the provincial Fatherland Front Committee visited the Executive Board of the provincial Buddhist Sangha and pagodas.

A delegation of the People’s Committee, People’s Council and Fatherland Front Committee of central Da Nang City visited the Executive Board of the Da Nang Buddhist Sangha to show support for the local Buddhist population.

The Most Venerable Thich Giac Vien, acting Chairman of the Executive Board, expressed his gratitude to the city’s authorities for their assistance and co-operation in allowing the committee to fulfil its tasks. — VNS

[supernovasp]

it was really rainy today T_T in my temple

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Budda's teaching of pacifism and meditation is a key element of Buddhism. Perhaps because of this, religious conflicts and persecutions that often exist in other religions do not seem to be a factor in Buddhism. In the medieval France, Spain, and other European countries, the kings and the cardinals were an extension of the Roman church. The kingdom's power was promulgated by the church. Those who did not follow were persecuted. Mass inquisitions led to many deaths and sufferings in Europe and the Spanish America.

In contrast, in East Asia, Buddhism did not and does not tend to engage in politics and proselytization. The guiding principle in life is to follow one's conscience and moral values rather any particular piece of religious doctrines.

[Umba]

It's like the "chicken and egg" thing for me.

Is it that Buddhism brought about tollerent or is it that tollerent societies embraced Buddhism?

Buddha taught us to question evreything.
Ponder away.

[1962VW]

It is due to:

-Buddhism = No God

-Judaism, Christianity, Islam = There's 1 TRUE God

-Hinduism > 2 000 Gods/Goddesses

[YaoRockets]

It is due to:

-Buddhism = No God

-Judaism, Christianity, Islam = There's 1 TRUE God

-Hinduism > 2 000 Gods/Goddesses

"1 True God" is the most deadly god.

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It is due to:

-Buddhism = No God

-Judaism, Christianity, Islam = There's 1 TRUE God

-Hinduism > 2 000 Gods/Goddesses

If JCI religions worship the same God, how comes they fight bitterly among themselves? Is this because everyone think that the same God prefers their religion over others? Perhaps, here lies the problem with religious intolerance.

[Byron]

Can any Buddhist here explain to me one of the biggest flaws of Buddhism that pretty much disproves the religion. I didn't make this up, this loop hole is found in a lot of books. It goes like this.

To achieve Nirvana one must:

1) give up all desire.

2) But to start on the path of Nirvana, one must "desire" it.

3) So those who are Buddhist and follow Buddhist teachings who try to reach the state of Nirvana break the first rule and thus can never achieve it.

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[blacklight]

-Hinduism > 2 000 Gods/Goddesses

Actually, hinduism says: one God appearing in the form of 2000 gods/goddesses. Hopefully, my participation in this religious discussion ends here and now: I fully expect that somebody is going to say something stupid and the $hit will hit the fan.

[1962VW]

^

All 3 of you raised many good points.

ETA

lol...................blacklight-----> you are a Wise Man.

This post has been edited by 1962VW: Jun 4 2007, 06:58 PM

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Can any Buddhist here explain to me one of the biggest flaws of Buddhism that pretty much disproves the religion. I didn't make this up, this loop hole is found in a lot of books. It goes like this.

To achieve Nirvana one must:

1) give up all desire.

2) But to start on the path of Nirvana, one must "desire" it.

3) So those who are Buddhist and follow Buddhist teachings who try to reach the state of Nirvana break the first rule and thus can never achieve it.

Onlly if you are a busddist monk, then you would have to give up all worldy desires and possessions. Otherwise, in general, people who practice buddism see it as a moral conveyance to maintain good conscience and values in life. In so doing, they too would attain an afterlife in heaven and reincarnations. They don't have to give up worldly possessions but by the same token not acquire them by hurting others.

[Byron]

But to achieve Nirvana, one has to be desireless. But when you are attempting to get Nirvana, you are still desiring for it. So how can one ever get Nirvana? That's just a logical contradiction that I've never heard a satisfactory rebuttal against.

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But to achieve Nirvana, one has to be desireless. But when you are attempting to get Nirvana, you are still desiring for it. So how can one ever get Nirvana? That's just a logical contradiction that I've never heard a satisfactory rebuttal against.

Budda only taught to give up worldly desires, but not divine desires like Nirvana.

[bluelakedragon]

Can any Buddhist here explain to me one of the biggest flaws of Buddhism that pretty much disproves the religion. I didn't make this up, this loop hole is found in a lot of books. It goes like this.

To achieve Nirvana one must:

1) give up all desire.

2) But to start on the path of Nirvana, one must "desire" it.

3) So those who are Buddhist and follow Buddhist teachings who try to reach the state of Nirvana break the first rule and thus can never achieve it.

I wouldn't call it a "flaw". Even monks or nuns struggle to practice to not to desire worldly things on a daily basic. "Tham, San, Si" or Desire, "temper", ignorance are the causes of human suffering. And the practice of Buddhism is to lessen these three and not just "desire". Yes, when you reach that "level", you are to not desire enlightment or nirvana. if you do, you are not "there" yet. In the meantime, as a layout person or a monk or a nun, its ok to desire to eliminate suffering.

Even the highest level Buddhist masters you see today like the Zen masters or the Dalai Lama, they still desire to come back to this world as a person in the next life and not a Buddha in Nirvana to continue their practice.

I'll leave you with this sutra:
"sac tuc thi khong, khong tuc thi sac, tho, tuong, hanh, thuc cung ddeu nhu vay"....
"Form is emptiness, emptiness is form, etc....."

[petev1975]

I was raised Catholic so this topic is very interesting to me.

What is Nirvana? Is it "Nothingness", it is a state of unconsciousness?

How do Buddhist explain the creation of the universe?

[petev1975]

"1 True God" is the most deadly god.

Wouldn't that contradict Confucian philosophy? In order for a society to function, there can only be 1 leader, correct? And society's job is to help that leader, LEAD. So I don't understand why a Chinese person would be against the idea of 1 God.

[1962VW]

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He is not against the One God Ideology. Our friend, Yao, was simply pointing out the Bloody Mess in the Mid-East(+ some.....).


"How do Buddhist explain the creation of the universe?"---> We don't !.......since No God = No

Creator.

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We don't !.......since No God = No

Creator.

I don't understand. How could the universe just come to be? Everything has to have starting point, correct? I wasn't asking about a belief in a creator, I just wanted to know how Buddhist explain how existence came to be.

[jose cuervo]

I don't understand. How could the universe just come to be? Everything has to have starting point, correct? I wasn't asking about a belief in a creator, I just wanted to know how Buddhist explain how existence came to be.

Bloody hell! believe in what you want to believe. No need to come in here and ask condescending questions about other people's faith. I can see where your questions are leading. The problem with Vietnamese Catholics are that too many are the most messed up and narrow minded people on Earth. They still have the Ngo Dinh Diem mentality from their days where they were killing and persecuting their own race for not believing in Catholicism.

[bluelakedragon]

But to achieve Nirvana, one has to be desireless. But when you are attempting to get Nirvana, you are still desiring for it. So how can one ever get Nirvana? That's just a logical contradiction that I've never heard a satisfactory rebuttal against.

Maybe A. L. Herman can explain it better than I am:

A Solution to the Paradox of Desire in Buddhism
A. L. Herman


If one of the chief aims, if not the only aim, of Buddhism is the cessation of desire and desiring then two questions immediately arise: first, what is the nature of this desire that is to be eliminated? and, second, how does one go about the business of eliminating it? Both questions are central not only to the Buddhist and even the Hindu traditions but to any philosophy or religion that holds that desire per se is a barrier to ultimate human happiness. Furthermore, all of these traditions face the same paradox in their endeavors to explain the process of the elimination of desire, namely, the paradox of desire.

If I desire to cease desiring then I have not ceased all desire after all; I have merely replaced one species of desiring by another. The paradox of desire points to the practical contradiction or frustration involved in the desire to stop all desiring and states simply that those who desire to stop all desiring will never be successful.

"Desire" can be taken to mean any lusting or craving after that which one does not now possess. Desiring generally entails wanting any object or condition that is absent at the time of the wanting. But desiring may also entail any wanting, needing, or wishing for what one already has, for example, wanting the present object or condition to continue into the future. One of the strong emotions that fuels desire, therefore, is the fear of not attaining what is presently absent or the fear of losing what is honestly at hand. In either case it is the fear of the absence or the threatened absence of an object or condition that produces desire, and the greater the fear of not achieving or not retaining the object or condition, the more intense is the desire. Thus anxiety and fear play a major role in defining the nature and intensity of desire.

Intense desires are called "lusts" while weaker desires are called "needs." Desires for sex and property may be called "lusts" while desires for food, shelter, and clothing may be called "needs." But these categories can change with the circumstances. For example, if I regularly enjoy the sexual attentions of my four wives, my lusts may shrivel to near zero. In fact satisfying my lusts as well as satisfying my desires, in general, are surely bona fide ways of eliminating desire, at least temporarily. For example, the hedonist has found a way to attaining the control and cessation of desire; he simply gives in to all of them and this method works as long as his body and mind remain active and healthy. Further, if I am starving and naked, my desire for food and clothing ceases to be merely a need and may in fact become a lust. The Marxists and the other contemporary economic levelers have found ways to attain the cessation of desire by redistributing the economic goods of our society; and this method, too, works as long as there are sufficient goods to be leveled.

The Buddhists have discovered, however, that neither hedonism nor leveling gets at the root cause of desiring. The satisfaction of desire does not prevent desire for other absent objects or conditions from arising in the future. The Buddhist solution does not lie in manipulating external objects, but rather it lies in manipulating internal states of consciousness by cutting off the fuel of desire and by blowing out the flame of desire, once and for all. But such manipulation of internal and subjective states of consciousness brings us back once again to the paradox of desire.

To solve the paradox of desire, we must turn our attention to the nature of desire itself, and to the several kinds of desire involved in desiring and to its cessation.

Let me begin by distinguishing between three types of desire to which the paradox of desire seems to be pointing. First, there is the most important desire, namely, the desire for desirelessness, ("desire(1)"). Second, there is the desire in desirelessness, namely, the desire we are trying to eliminate ("desire(2)''). Finally, there is the desire that is the result of desiring desirelessness, that is, the type of desire that the desire, for desire (2) lessness produces ("desire(3)"). Thus, the first of four premises of the paradox of desire states:
1. Desire (1), for desire (2) lessness leads to desire (3).
Desire (1) may be intense (a lust), or it may be weak (a need), depending on the perseverance, passion, and history of the devotee. Desire (2) is the desire that we have been speaking of above, namely, the lusts, cravings, and needs of ordinary existence that lead to the suffering and misery that the Buddha spoke to so eloquently. The condition that desire (1) attempts to achieve, of course, is the eradication of this desire,. But this desire (1) for desire(2) lessness leads in turn to desire (3), a species of desire that is merely the result of the juxtaposition of the two previous desires. The question that remains to be answered now, of course, is: what is the nature of desire (3)?

The paradox of desire would lead us to believe that desire, is not ultimately different from desire(2) and that the resultant desire, desire(3), is also not ultimately different from desire(2). Hence, the paradox of desire assumes that no matter what I do I can never completely eliminate some species or other of desire(2), that is, the desire that we wanted to eliminate in the first place. Of course, one way out of the paradox would be to argue strenuously that desire(1) and desire(3) are ultimately different from desire(2); or, more to the point, that desire(1) or desire(3) are not desires at all, or not really bad desires, but rather good and useful desires. But we reject this, primarily because the Buddhists themselves seem to reject it: desire, by whatever subscripts it happens to be disguised, is still desire.

Another way out is simply to accept the paradox of desire and then see what happens. And what happens involves us with two other premises necessary to the paradox:
2. Desire (1) is a species of desire (2).
That is to say, desire (1) for the condition of desirelessness is really a desire (2), pure and simple.
3. Desire (3) is a species of desire (2).
That is to say, ultimate desire (3) that results from desire (1) for desire (2) lessness is also just another desire (2), pure and simple. But then the paradox is shown fully and completely by this fourth and final step in the argument:

4.But if desire (1) and desire (3) are merely species of desire (2) then desire (2) lessness is impossible.
Thus the paradox of desire which says that it is impossible to eliminate desire (2) since it would continue to exist as either desire (1) or desire (3). The "impossibility" spoken of here may be a logical impossibility, that is, it may be self-contradictory to desire a condition of desirelessness, or it may be a practical impossibility, that is, it may be self-frustrating to desire a condition of desirelessness. In what follows I want to focus on this practical impossibility or practical contradiction entailed by the paradox of desire and show that, for Buddhism, this is a very salutary contradiction, indeed.

Realizing the practical contradiction that desirelessness can never be attained, because desiring desirelessness produces desire, leads to two consequences: in the first place realizing the contradiction produces frustration in the devotee. Lusting after or needing that which is practically (that is, in practice) impossible to attain produces frustration and with it misery and suffering. The devotee has backed himself into a corner from which there is no practical way out.

If there is no practical way out, and if the frustration that results is a sign of there being no way out, then of course it makes no sense to advise devotees to stop desiring or to remove the objects of desire in order to stop the desiring. What then can a devotee do? And what is the use of Buddhism if it merely points out the contradictions, logical and practical, in the paradox of desire and then leaves one in the paradox? In other words, even if we grant the contradictions in the paradox of desire, what is to be done? The answer is: nothing is to be done; there is nothing one can do because nothing can be done, and that is precisely what Maadhyamika Mahaayaana Buddhism has been saying all along.

In the second place, realizing the practical contradiction (that is, truly understanding the import of 4, herein, namely, that there is no solution to the paradox Of desire) leads to nirvaa.na. Stated as a fifth and final stage this conclusion would look like this:
5. Realizing the truth of 4 is tantamount to achieving nirvaa.na.

That is to say, seeing that there is no way out of the paradox of desire, understanding that, as Maadhyamika Buddhism puts it, there is no way to nirvaa.na, no goal to be desired or achieved, then one "lets go" of the way and the goal. And that "letting go" leads to, or is, nirvaa.na: For once the devotee realizes that there is nothing that he can do then there is nothing left to be done. Thus a philosophical argument leads to rational insight and that insight leads to, or is, nirvaa.na. "Letting go," after all, is the condition of desirelessness, and it is achieved following the frustration of knowing that it cannot be achieved, that is, it cannot be regarded as a goal to be striven for, worked for, sought after--in a word, desired. Hence it is not a question of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" but rather 'damned if you do but saved if you don't.' And that 'don't-ing' is not the result of conscious lusting or needing. It is the result of giving up altogether.

The impatient critic might ask at this juncture: what is the point of all the Buddhist texts, philosophies, theories, and injunctions, if at the end we are told merely, 'Let it all go'? The point, of course, is that these were all necessary to bring one to the realization that they are not at all necessary to nirvaa.na-something the devotee could not know until he had been through all the texts, philosophies, theories, and injunctions. As a child and before I could walk I had to toddle (if that is what toddlers do), and before I could toddle I had to crawl. I do not cry out with impatience, "Why did I have to crawl and toddle? Why could not I have walked to begin with?" More to the point, the texts, philosophies, and theories all helped to back me into the corner that I found myself in; in other words, the paradox had to be experienced before escape from it was possible. The philosophic realization was necessary before the rational insight was possible, and that rational insight, namely, that there is no way out, was necessary before "letting go" could occur, and "letting go" was necessary before nirvaa.na was possible. This is not to suggest, of course, that this is the only way to nirvaa.na; the Mahaayaana Buddhists have other "techniques" as well for the attainment of nirvaa.na:

Just as a child might not go through the crawling and toddling stages but suddenly one day rise up from the cradle and spontaneously walk, or, with the help of a parent a child might walk without going through the crawling and toddling stages.

But this philosophic realization as a solution to the paradox of desire is the method that ultimately passes through China in the first or second centuries A.D. as a heritage from Maadhyamika or ‘Suunyavaada Buddhism and finds its home eventually in Japan, somewhat altered and improved, where it becomes known as Zen Buddhism.

(A. L. Herman is Professor of Philosophy at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point.)