Philippines: Wealthiest Nation on Earth?, Following Shambhalista's Dubai Philippine gold Options

[azaz]

Below is letter of Todd Alphine to Fr. Pascualito Monsanto of the Aramaic Church:

1) I think I sent you that proposal signed by the current Sultan Fuad Kiram and I noticed that He included in his letter to Prince Tallano that the encumbrance of 80,000 tons of gold for the PEOPLE of the Philippines was for the PEOPLE OF MAHARLIKA, so I assume that means all 85,000,000 population, is that also your understanding? 2) I also did some of the math and if the price of gold is considered to be just US$20 million per ton X 80,000 metric tons, then that would be a stead income for the PEOPLE and then I seen where this Sultan wanted 8% to be used by Christian and Muslim charties to help the poor, another 10% was recommend for helping restore peace and reduce civil unrest in the South ( was He talking about the SABAH and on-going SULU fighting)? 3) This Sultan also wanted 20% to be allocated for investment and funding of projects agreed upon each year by the PEOPLE and not by the elected government leaders, is that how you understood that intention? 4) He even suggested that the PEOPLE profits for the lease of their 80,000 tons of gold allow that 5% be paid as interest to the IMF and WORLD BANK and to certain foreign bank loans, do you know what specific loans He is talking about? 5) This Sultan said that another 35% would be distributed to each person who was a citizen of the Philippines and since He used the word PHILIPPINES, then I assume that means each of the present say 85 million men woman and their children, is that how you understood that intention? 6) He seemed to have accepted the recommendations from that Jose Antonio Diaz Foundation and from that legally appointed woman, who served as the National Treasury of all of Mr. Diaz Banking and Company accounts. She recommended using the Asian Development Bank as the TRUSTEE for the safekeeping of the 80,000 metric tons of gold for the People of Maharlika, provided that Bank could be the caretaker and pay the 1.5% each year as the lease fee on the gold, but that gold was required to be maintained in a proper safe place there in the Philippines to support the peso currency. The Sultan seemed to allocate that the Asia Development Bank could subtract out 15% per year, as the Trustee and as the Bank's own income. 7) The final thing was that this Sultan wanted the remaining 5% to be used for micro financing to allow organizations to loan money to people who could not qualify for bank loans. Before, you wrote to me that YOUR OWN CHURCH the APOSTOLIC AND CATHOLIC CHURCH OF THE EAST also wanted to engage into such poor people loans or micro financing, so did you meet with that Sultan Fuad Kiram before about this? 8) I am not even sure if you are still alive or deceased, as you fail to answer any of my e-mails to you or have anything to say. 9) You wrote a good book, but unfortunately if contains too much in favor of the opposition for support of what Sultan Fuad Kiram would see as his rivals, being that you are claiming that the 700,000 mt of gold was lent to the VATICAN by the wrong Royal family. 10) However, I would think that perhaps if you considered to write another book and this time focus on the present situation of the Romana Catholic church and you published your history and story about the CHURCH in the local languages and maybe provided your historical facts and story about the CHURCH in various local language not just the English language version, then maybe your C\own Church would grow and stand up on its own two legs. 11) You made a mistake to combine the inaccurate tales of the King Tagean story into the 700,000 metric tons situation as that is preventing the PEOPLE from not only obtaining the endowment of this 80,000 tons of gold as agreed by the SULU SULTANATE, but you are causing the poverty to continue there in the Philippines. Sure I understand you feel you told the truth in your book. The problem is NO ONE IS INTERESTED in your version of the truth. 12) I would like to see YOU Mar Levi Bar Thoma not just as a missionary priest or as your present day status as being appointed a Bishop in 1994, but as a FILIPINO who has the guts and the balls and the BRAINS to assume some top level managements of some of these endowments and financial programs that can be obtained as envisioned by this Sultan Fuad Kiram. 13) You need to wake up and smell the coffee and come down from being a Bishop of a CHURCH that has no financial income and who can do very little to help your own rural poor people. You have to stop your day dreaming that the Tallano clan or that Tagean clan will restore anything back to the PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES. That is a fantasy, not reality. Become smart, as God gave you a brain, you have to know how to apply your intelligence to accomplish God's work to help lift up the Philippine people out of their quick sand situation. If you sit on your @$$ glued to your pew as those Roman Catholic Bishops do, then you not only failed the PEOPLE, you failed GOD. It is time for you to stand up and focus on what can be accomplished. You may not agree with a lot of what the KIRAM Royal family says or does, but if it can establish a constant flow of income for the poor people of the Philippines based on a honorable decent 1.5% INTEREST to be paid per year perhaps every four (4) months, then it is a BIG LIFTING UP of the POOR, as even having just US$800.00 a year for each member of a family all owes the family to GET OUT OF POVERTY and just maybe the POOR would find YOUR EFFORTS assisted and then they may join your APOSTOLIC AND CATHOLIC CHURCH OF THE EAST and appreciate GOD and have faith in their future. If you do nothing but continue to sit on your @$$ and not stand up and HELP, then you are more than a fool, you are a failure. I can tell from rereading your book that ZHANYNNA never felt you were a failure, just a poor priest with a good heart and a desire...but what the hell good is the desire Bishop with some financial help to your own Church. Remember YAOHU, YAOUHUSHUA and RUKHA YAOHU...regards Todd

[azaz]

Todd Alphine and Fr. Monsanto in that letter were in the level of discussing the source of Philippine gold- the Tagean-Tallano Royalty or the Sultanate of Sulu. It's either that these two were lunatics as most people think or we are the ones perpetually living in the fantasy third world mindset of hopelessness and incapability.

[Suzuka00]

Todd Alphine and Fr. Monsanto in that letter were in the level of discussing the source of Philippine gold- the Tagean-Tallano Royalty or the Sultanate of Sulu. It's either that these two were lunatics as most people think or we are the ones perpetually living in the fantasy third world mindset of hopelessness and incapability.

can you please use edit button,before the mods notice you,i had warned trismegistos already

well,it is true that the philippines is wealthy,wealthy in resources,but those wealth is plundered by those in power.

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 12 2009, 01:45 AM

[trismegistos]

can you please use edit button,before the mods notice you,i had warned trismegistos already

well,it is true that the philippines is wealthy,wealthy in resources,but those wealth is plundered by those in power.

ha ha. suzuka is the defacto mod here. warned me several times about double posting and now about using the edit buttons. he seems preoccupied with the technicalities or the letters of the law and not the spirit of the law just like our lawyers here, as well as our congressmans(acting as lawyers of gma)
parekoy suzuka, friend tayo ha. he he

regarding the veracity of this yama$hita hoax or rather the marcos gold which in truth is the asian treasures of our zabag ancestors, read this post by the psychic clairvoyant judge floro .... http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4227504

[Suzuka00]

ha ha. suzuka is the defacto mod here. warned me several times about double posting and now about using the edit buttons. he seems preoccupied with the technicalities or the letters of the law and not the spirit of the law just like our lawyers here, as well as our congressmans(acting as lawyers of gma)
parekoy suzuka, friend tayo ha. he he

I just gave alex a chance to change because she was a very practical person.

In an alternate timeline I see Luzon joining Axis powers if the spanish did not conquer the philippine archipelago,perhaps that is the reason why the second republic was pro-japanese and luzon was the last to be occupied by the americans(to fulfill that destiny).

I think Marcos will also play a part in luzon(with another surname of course) in that alternate timeline but how will he rise to power if Lakandula's kin still controls Luzon.

Luzon will be the richest kingdom of the philippine archipelago

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 12 2009, 12:10 PM

[azaz]

can you please use edit button,before the mods notice you,i had warned trismegistos already

well,it is true that the philippines is wealthy,wealthy in resources,but those wealth is plundered by those in power.

Thanks for your post Suzuka but where is the edit button? When the Spaniards came to Manila, they saw Tagalog warriors in armor and were not bare breasted as usually depicted in books and movies. Manila had cannons longer and more powerful than the Spanish fleet. History say that the Kingdom of Manila was finally overwhelmed not by sheer Spanish force but with the help of thousands of Pintados from the Visayan islands. The prince of Manila escaped to the Sultanate of Sulu, probably with the wealth of the Sultanate of Manila, and eventually to the Sultanate of Brunei. The Kingdoms of Manila, Sulu and Brunei were not just allies during that time, they were foremost, connected by blood.

[Suzuka00]

Thanks for your post Suzuka but where is the edit button? When the Spaniards came to Manila, they saw Tagalog warriors in armor and were not bare breasted as usually depicted in books and movies. Manila had cannons longer and more powerful than the Spanish fleet. History say that the Kingdom of Manila was finally overwhelmed not by sheer Spanish force but with the help of thousands of Pintados from the Visayan islands. The prince of Manila escaped to the Sultanate of Sulu, probably with the wealth of the Sultanate of Manila, and eventually to the Sultanate of Brunei. The Kingdoms of Manila, Sulu and Brunei were not just allies during that time, they were foremost, connected by blood.

Kapampangan Kings were the kings of Luzon,allot of Kapampangans were killed and enslaved in the spanish colonization and the moro raids(because they became christians).

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 12 2009, 09:19 PM

[trismegistos]

Thanks for your post Suzuka but where is the edit button? When the Spaniards came to Manila, they saw Tagalog warriors in armor and were not bare breasted as usually depicted in books and movies. Manila had cannons longer and more powerful than the Spanish fleet. History say that the Kingdom of Manila was finally overwhelmed not by sheer Spanish force but with the help of thousands of Pintados from the Visayan islands. The prince of Manila escaped to the Sultanate of Sulu, probably with the wealth of the Sultanate of Manila, and eventually to the Sultanate of Brunei. The Kingdoms of Manila, Sulu and Brunei were not just allies during that time, they were foremost, connected by blood.

The tons of wealth could not be brought directly to the sulu sultanate, but perhaps transfer of authority. the sulu sultanate, then becoming the caretaker of the gold, because their tarsilas or genealogies are much well-kept while the tarsilas of the Lusung kingdom are brought to oblivion(perhaps deliberate to confuse the plunderers).
but the gold according to Knight Arcane remained burried under Intramuros which of course became the so called Yama$hita treasure unearthed by Jose Antonio Diaz and/or Marcos(atty of Jose Antonio Diaz). On some elite sponsored Marcos gold books, the majority of the wealth was unearthed in clark air base.
Todd Alpine is suspecting that Jose Antonio Diaz(nueva ecija native) is both blood relative to the Sulu Sultanate-Brunei Sultanate and the Manila Moro Sultanate-Tondo Rajanates or Lakandula-Soliman clan of the Luzon Kingdom.

regarding the tallano clan claim. the tallanos according to their claim were descendants to the Lakantagean or lakantagkan which is the king of Namayan, and grandson of Prince Balagtas of the Majapahit empire.
Prince Balagtas was the son of Emperor Angka Wijaya/Vijaya with the princess of the Kingdom of Sapa(Zabag empire/Sanfotsi?)

i dont know the veracity of the tallanos story by ekker. but there is indeed a lakantagkan or lakantagean in history who was a grandson of Prince balagtas of Majapahit empire and founder of the kingdom of namayan as vestiges of the original kingdom of sapa or Zabag empire whom coedes correlate as the Srivijayan empire but incorrectly placed the capital at palembang sumatra(Palin-fong) which is actually just a dependency of Zabag and sanfotsi(real capital being in Luzon). but knight arcane is not in agreement with me on the actual existence of lakantagean. but the tallano story by ekker seems to be a hyperbole. there are lots of disinformation and lies burried together with some kernels of truth. intuition and the gift of discernment will show the way.
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Battle of Bangkusay:

they may not actually been overwhelmed by the manpower of the combined spanish and pintados forces but accdg to the historical archives was weakened by the sheer force of the artillery which eventually killed tarik soliman and thus they surrendered with the death of their leader and most of the warriors simply escaped. Take note that accdg to some historical archives, huge amounts of explosives or gunpowder given by the lakandula as a gift to the spanish forces which was used against datu tarik soliman and his macabebe/hagonoy warriors.

their armors according to oral and written accounts may be golden in appearance or in material which could have given them great awe, fear and respect among kingdoms in maritime south east asia, they would not be called Gold warriors for nothing. Gold warriors not because of their armor but because they are guardians of the huge wealth of Golden Lusung(formerly Zabag/Sanfotsi)

datu tarik soliman died on that battle of bangkusay(thus starting spanish occupation and king soliman of manila(admiral of the whole brunei naval fleet) retreated to brunei accdg to muslim annals. but in elaput.org http://www.elaput.org/legzmnla.htm , king soliman surrendered to legazpi and gave his reason for attacking the spanish forces despite the blood compact:

to quote:
Nangatwiran si Soliman

SA UNANG pagharap niya kay Miguel Lopez de Legazpi nuong Mayo 16, 1571, ipinagtanggol ni Raja Soliman ang sarili sa paratang na siya ang nagsimula ng bakbakan laban kay Martin de Goiti nuong nakaraang taon, 1570, ang unang pagdayo ng mga Espa?ol sa Manila.

Sabi ni Soliman, "Alam n'yo nang lahat, walang hari at walang iisang may kapangyarihan dito kundi kanya-kanya ang panukala at patakaran, at ginagawa ng kahit sino kung ano na lamang ang maisipan nila. May mga tao ritong may higit na kapangyarihan kaysa sa akin, dahil kahit walang pahintulot ko, nilabag nila ang payapa at pagka-kaibigan, kaya ako ngayon ang pinaratangan ng paglabag sa tungkulin.

"Kung hindi ganito ang nangyari, kung ako ang nagpahintulot at nagpayo sa paglabag nila, ako ang dapat parusahan. Kung ako ang hari sa bayang ito, sa halip na panginuon lamang sa mga lupain ko, ang mga pangako ko sana ay hindi nabali. Ngunit maraming tao ang kasangkot, at wala akong magagawa, nuon at ngayon man, kundi magsikap na sundin ng aking mga tauhan at mga kaibigan ang pagtangkilik ko sa katahimikan at pagka-kaibigan na napag-kasunduan nuon."

Nang maunawaan ito ni Legazpi, naggawad siya ng kapatawaran sa lahat (general pardon) sa nangyari nuong nakaraang taon, at naghayag na mula nuon, ang mga pangako ay dapat tuparin.

Nag-alok si Soliman, ang kanyang amain, si Raja Laia (o Raja Matanda), at si Lakan Dula na aayain nila ang mga karatig na baranggay na sumuko at magbayad na rin ng buwis kina Legazpi, ngunit hindi nila natupad ito kahit anong subok ang gawin nila. Napansin ng mga Espa?ol na walang sapat na lakas ang 3 upang utusan ang mga pinuno sa paligid, at karamihan ng tao sa mga barrangay ay basta na lamang umaalis at lumilipat sa malayo upang makaiwas sa utos-utos ng kanilang mga pinuno.

end of quote
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despite king soliman of manila was deemed the sole authority of the whole luzon as puppet ruler for brunei's interests(he married the daughter of the sultan of brunei), but this tagalog translated historical archive seems to give an insight to the politics at that time and that the full allegiance of the various independent states may not be actually to the king soliman and lakandula of tondo(eastern capital of lusung kindom) but perhaps to the unknown ruler of the wester capital of the lusung kingdom, to the original abode of the Mihraj of Zabag empire(kingdom of Sapa), in the Macabebe-Masantol-Baliwag-Hagonoy estuarine(Sapang or Sabang) areas.
or perhaps accdg to Pol kekai Manansala, it was simply a case of divisions- there were lots of political infightings going on even within their own clan at that particular time period and as Suzuka stated the Spaniards took advantage of the situation.

let me emphasize what raja soliman said: "Alam n'yo nang lahat, walang hari at walang iisang may kapangyarihan dito kundi kanya-kanya ang panukala at patakaran, at ginagawa ng kahit sino kung ano na lamang ang maisipan nila. May mga tao ritong 'may higit na kapangyarihan kaysa sa akin', dahil kahit walang pahintulot ko, nilabag nila ang payapa at pagka-kaibigan, kaya ako ngayon ang pinaratangan ng paglabag sa tungkulin..."

[Suzuka00]

The tons of wealth could not be brought directly to the sulu sultanate, but perhaps transfer of authority. the sulu sultanate, then becoming the caretaker of the gold, because their tarsilas or genealogies are much well-kept while the tarsilas of the Lusung kingdom are brought to oblivion(perhaps deliberate to confuse the plunderers).
but the gold according to Knight Arcane remained burried under Intramuros which of course became the so called Yama$hita treasure unearthed by Jose Antonio Diaz and/or Marcos(atty of Jose Antonio Diaz). On some elite sponsored Marcos gold books, the majority of the wealth was unearthed in clark air base.
Todd Alpine is suspecting that Jose Antonio Diaz(nueva ecija native) is both blood relative to the Sulu Sultanate-Brunei Sultanate and the Manila Moro Sultanate-Tondo Rajanates or Lakandula-Soliman clan of the Luzon Kingdom.

regarding the tallano clan claim. the tallanos according to their claim were descendants to the Lakantagean or lakantagkan which is the king of Namayan, and grandson of Prince Balagtas of the Majapahit empire.
Prince Balagtas was the son of Emperor Angka Wijaya/Vijaya with the princess of the Kingdom of Sapa(Zabag empire/Sanfotsi?)

i dont know the veracity of the tallanos story by ekker. but there is indeed a lakantagkan or lakantagean in history who was a grandson of Prince balagtas of Majapahit empire and founder of the kingdom of namayan as vestiges of the original kingdom of sapa or Zabag empire whom coedes correlate as the Srivijayan empire but incorrectly placed the capital at palembang sumatra(Palin-fong) which is actually just a dependency of Zabag and sanfotsi(real capital being in Luzon). but knight arcane is not in agreement with me on the actual existence of lakantagean. but the tallano story by ekker seems to be a hyperbole. there are lots of disinformation and lies burried together with some kernels of truth. intuition and the gift of discernment will show the way.
----
Battle of Bangkusay:

they may not actually been overwhelmed by the manpower of the combined spanish and pintados forces but accdg to the historical archives was weakened by the sheer force of the artillery which eventually killed tarik soliman and thus they surrendered with the death of their leader and most of the warriors simply escaped. Take note that accdg to some historical archives, huge amounts of explosives or gunpowder given by the lakandula as a gift to the spanish forces which was used against datu tarik soliman and his macabebe/hagonoy warriors.

their armors according to oral and written accounts may be golden in appearance or in material which could have given them great awe, fear and respect among kingdoms in maritime south east asia, they would not be called Gold warriors for nothing. Gold warriors not because of their armor but because they are guardians of the huge wealth of Golden Lusung(formerly Zabag/Sanfotsi)

datu tarik soliman died on that battle of bangkusay(thus starting spanish occupation and king soliman of manila(admiral of the whole brunei naval fleet) retreated to brunei accdg to muslim annals. but in elaput.org http://www.elaput.org/legzmnla.htm , king soliman surrendered to legazpi and gave his reason for attacking the spanish forces despite the blood compact:

to quote:
Nangatwiran si Soliman

SA UNANG pagharap niya kay Miguel Lopez de Legazpi nuong Mayo 16, 1571, ipinagtanggol ni Raja Soliman ang sarili sa paratang na siya ang nagsimula ng bakbakan laban kay Martin de Goiti nuong nakaraang taon, 1570, ang unang pagdayo ng mga Espa?ol sa Manila.

Sabi ni Soliman, "Alam n'yo nang lahat, walang hari at walang iisang may kapangyarihan dito kundi kanya-kanya ang panukala at patakaran, at ginagawa ng kahit sino kung ano na lamang ang maisipan nila. May mga tao ritong may higit na kapangyarihan kaysa sa akin, dahil kahit walang pahintulot ko, nilabag nila ang payapa at pagka-kaibigan, kaya ako ngayon ang pinaratangan ng paglabag sa tungkulin.

"Kung hindi ganito ang nangyari, kung ako ang nagpahintulot at nagpayo sa paglabag nila, ako ang dapat parusahan. Kung ako ang hari sa bayang ito, sa halip na panginuon lamang sa mga lupain ko, ang mga pangako ko sana ay hindi nabali. Ngunit maraming tao ang kasangkot, at wala akong magagawa, nuon at ngayon man, kundi magsikap na sundin ng aking mga tauhan at mga kaibigan ang pagtangkilik ko sa katahimikan at pagka-kaibigan na napag-kasunduan nuon."

Nang maunawaan ito ni Legazpi, naggawad siya ng kapatawaran sa lahat (general pardon) sa nangyari nuong nakaraang taon, at naghayag na mula nuon, ang mga pangako ay dapat tuparin.

Nag-alok si Soliman, ang kanyang amain, si Raja Laia (o Raja Matanda), at si Lakan Dula na aayain nila ang mga karatig na baranggay na sumuko at magbayad na rin ng buwis kina Legazpi, ngunit hindi nila natupad ito kahit anong subok ang gawin nila. Napansin ng mga Espa?ol na walang sapat na lakas ang 3 upang utusan ang mga pinuno sa paligid, at karamihan ng tao sa mga barrangay ay basta na lamang umaalis at lumilipat sa malayo upang makaiwas sa utos-utos ng kanilang mga pinuno.

end of quote
------

despite king soliman of manila was deemed the sole authority of the whole luzon as puppet ruler for brunei's interests(he married the daughter of the sultan of brunei), but this tagalog translated historical archive seems to give an insight to the politics at that time and that the full allegiance of the various independent states may not be actually to the king soliman and lakandula of tondo(eastern capital of lusung kindom) but perhaps to the unknown ruler of the wester capital of the lusung kingdom, to the original abode of the Mihraj of Zabag empire(kingdom of Sapa), in the Macabebe-Masantol-Baliwag-Hagonoy estuarine(Sapang or Sabang) areas.
or perhaps accdg to Pol kekai Manansala, it was simply a case of divisions- there were lots of political infightings going on even within their own clan at that particular time period and as Suzuka stated the Spaniards took advantage of the situation.

let me emphasize what raja soliman said: "Alam n'yo nang lahat, walang hari at walang iisang may kapangyarihan dito kundi kanya-kanya ang panukala at patakaran, at ginagawa ng kahit sino kung ano na lamang ang maisipan nila. May mga tao ritong 'may higit na kapangyarihan kaysa sa akin', dahil kahit walang pahintulot ko, nilabag nila ang payapa at pagka-kaibigan, kaya ako ngayon ang pinaratangan ng paglabag sa tungkulin..."

The kapampangan kings of luzon should never had made this blood compact,their population was reduced during the spanish era and they were called dugong aso by their fellow luzonites because of the kapampangan traitors that served in the spanish army.

[trismegistos]

The kapampangan kings of luzon should never had made this blood compact,their population was reduced during the spanish era and they were called dugong aso by their fellow luzonites because of the kapampangan traitors that served in the spanish army.

raja soliman of the manila moro sultanate who had blood compact with the spaniards with their pintados warriors were not actually pure kapampangan. he's more bruneian blooded and tagalog and his allegiance was not with his tagalog-kapampangan subjects but with the brunei sultanate whom he had held his position as the admiral of the naval fleet of brunei.

and the bruneian royalties were more bisayan, chinese, and arabs in genetics as can be gleamed in their annals.

the famine during the early spanish occupation deciminated the kapampangan where the women were left to till the soil while the able-bodied and skilled males were taken by forced labor /polo/vandala by their conquerors and the encomenderos(hybrid brueneian royals or elites who treat their subjects as human livestock) as soldiers, mercenaries, skilled craftsmen to build the galleon ships and to cut the timber in faraway places.
that's why the kapampangans learned to eat kamaro or insects to survive the great famine. the spaniards encouraged the tagalogs and ilocanos to settle on the abandoned kapampangan villages, so many went to bataan, bulacan, nueva ecija. those kapampangan who were left in those areas now intermingling with many tagalog migrants chose to become tagalogs to prevent them from being consigned as mercenaries and laborers in far-away places as the spaniards preferred the highly skilled kapampangans as they say 3 kapampangan and 1 spaniards is equal to 4 spaniards and the kapampangans are the castillians among the indios.

it's the kapampangan ruler tarik soliman who defied the spanish forces in the battle of bangkusay.
to quote... http://houstonmartialartsacademy.com/HMAA_...ma/escrima.html
and http://www.geocities.com/kapampanganx/s7_1.html

In 1571, a force from Macabebe led by their own datu (chief), fought against the Spaniards in Tondo. Rowing down the waterways from Macabebe and Hagonoy to Tundo with several hundred warriors on board 20 or 30 paraos, he jeered at Lakandula and Sulayman for having submitted to the puting mukha (white faces) as he contemptuously referred to the Spaniards. Refusing the offer of peace and friendship from Legazpi, the datu fought valiantly against the Spaniards in the bay of Bankusay. The great Macabebe datu led the opposition and bravely, albeit foolishly, sat at the prow of the leading vessel and was killed by the first volley of the enemy's cannons.

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so it's unfair to judge the whole from its rotten parts

[Suzuka00]

raja soliman of the manila moro sultanate who had blood compact with the spaniards with their pintados warriors were not actually pure kapampangan. he's more bruneian blooded and tagalog and his allegiance was not with his tagalog-kapampangan subjects but with the brunei sultanate whom he had held his position as the admiral of the naval fleet of brunei.

and the bruneian royalties were more bisayan, chinese, and arabs in genetics as can be gleamed in their annals.

the famine during the early spanish occupation deciminated the kapampangan where the women were left to till the soil while the able-bodied and skilled males were taken by forced labor /polo/vandala by their conquerors and the encomenderos(hybrid brueneian royals or elites who treat their subjects as human livestock) as soldiers, mercenaries, skilled craftsmen to build the galleon ships and to cut the timber in faraway places.
that's why the kapampangans learned to eat kamaro or insects to survive the great famine. the spaniards encouraged the tagalogs and ilocanos to settle on the abandoned kapampangan villages, so many went to bataan, bulacan, nueva ecija. those kapampangan who were left in those areas now intermingling with many tagalog migrants chose to become tagalogs to prevent them from being consigned as mercenaries and laborers in far-away places as the spaniards preferred the highly skilled kapampangans as they say 3 kapampangan and 1 spaniards is equal to 4 spaniards and the kapampangans are the castillians among the indios.

it's the kapampangan ruler tarik soliman who defied the spanish forces in the battle of bangkusay.
to quote... http://houstonmartialartsacademy.com/HMAA_...ma/escrima.html
and http://www.geocities.com/kapampanganx/s7_1.html

In 1571, a force from Macabebe led by their own datu (chief), fought against the Spaniards in Tondo. Rowing down the waterways from Macabebe and Hagonoy to Tundo with several hundred warriors on board 20 or 30 paraos, he jeered at Lakandula and Sulayman for having submitted to the puting mukha (white faces) as he contemptuously referred to the Spaniards. Refusing the offer of peace and friendship from Legazpi, the datu fought valiantly against the Spaniards in the bay of Bankusay. The great Macabebe datu led the opposition and bravely, albeit foolishly, sat at the prow of the leading vessel and was killed by the first volley of the enemy's cannons.

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so it's unfair to judge the whole from its rotten parts

During that time Kapampangan,Tagalog and Bikol had a dialect continuum,the continuum between tagalog and bikol was preserved but between tagalog and kapampangan it was distorted by the spaniards because of the thing you mentioned,I read about an old variant of "tagalog" in poems that uses kapampangan words but also uses words in tagalog.

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 13 2009, 02:09 AM

[azaz]

These exchanges of Trismegisto and Suzuka are magnificent. I hope there is a book version of this. So if indeed the gold can be traced back to Luzon, then it should only be right that it benefit the Philippines first.

[azaz]

Recent posting's at Ming the Mechanic:

10 May 2009 @ 21:39 by Laurent Issner @193.200.150.152 : Funds under the control of the DNP

When you say that we will not have to worry about the StaRomana story as you were informed that the Administrators have just about completed their assignments to return most of the wealth or the assets back to other Agencies.

When could all this be finalised? in the next month or ar we talking a couple of years?

I am a little confused as to how much money there is to divide back to the governments & agencies. Is it the 617MT of gold or am I off track with that? How much funds are under the control of the DNP Enterprise?

Thanks for your help.

11 May 2009 @ 00:11 by Ref: Laurent Issner @220.57.164.61 : DNP Enterprise Foundation
(Todd Alphine) No, the DNP Enterprise has very little to do with the 617,500 metric tons of gold, how can you become so confused? Also I have no internal knowledge as to how much funds are under the control of the DNP Enterprise, but what I can say, is that many billions of dollars is being given to the World Bank, United Nations, IRC, and to many many Agencies and organization as cash. The other assets as bullion is being made I guess as transfer of ownershipship in returning the gold to those countries/banks/governments/Vatican/whatever. There was nothing mentioned for any estate settlement for Mr. S.Garcia StaRomana. However there seems to be some possibile arrangements to allociate some limited funds to be utilized for the possibile settlement of some holo Last Will of the person named Jose Antonio Diaz also known as JAD, but it is just some on-going discussions and I am not even sure if that will occur or not. That 617,500MT of gold never belonged to MR. Diaz or to Rev, Fr. Jose A> Diaz. He was just the trustee or the gatekeeper or the caretaker whatever the hell you can call him in that arrangement. That gold belongs to the Royal families and I thought that was also settled out by agreements signed by the Sulu Sultanate and submitted to the Vatican at Rome. Anyhow I think all of this is coming to the very end and I for one will be glad also that the other problems and mystery of the missing gold that was being wrongfully taken by the actions of late President Marcos of the Philippines and Pedro P. Laurel also was proven to also be gold that belongs also to Mr. Jose A. Diaz. So LAUREL never had anything gold wise deposited as Account 16 16 12 at the UBS Bank in Switzerland, that was just a con job. The good thing is that the DIAZ LEGACY or the assets that were left over after 88% was allociated out, will be utilized fro hummanitarian projects and for charties and support of NPOs and NGOs and to do a lot of good. So this means that the EVIL was able to produce SOME GOOD out of that SANTA ROMANA mystery. I will now devote more of my time to getting ready for Year 2012 as I believe that the whole world as we know as Earth, will be subject to very serious changes.

[Suzuka00]

These exchanges of Trismegisto and Suzuka are magnificent. I hope there is a book version of this. So if indeed the gold can be traced back to Luzon, then it should only be right that it benefit the Philippines first.

I think it is better if Luzon was not conquered,Luzon will be like a cross between Thailand and Dubai.


This is the flag i created for luzon,it has yinyang symbol that shows balance the dots represent other major ethnic groups;tagalog,bikolano,ilocano,ibanag,gaddang,pangalatok and bisakol while the small yinyang on the bottom represents kapampangan

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 19 2009, 10:13 AM

[azaz]

I think it is better if Luzon was not conquered,Luzon will be like a cross between Thailand and Dubai.


This is the flag i created for luzon,it has yinyang symbol that shows balance the dots represent other major ethnic groups;tagalog,bikolano,ilocano,ibanag,gaddang,pangalatok and cordillera hill tribes while the small yinyang on the button represents kapampangan

Nice flag. In Physics, I found out that the yin and the yang symbol is similar to the theoretical image of inertia of a circle rotating around its centroid.

[azaz]

I found this at JIL blog (http://blog.jilnationaloperation.org/?p=302) . It's about the prophecy of Dr. Jacobs on the Philippines. It was posted almost same time Shambalista ignited this topic on Dubai gold. Is it coincidence or is this an ongoing Divine work to awaken Filipinos? Is the "treasure of darkness" mentioned by Dr. Jacobs the same thing we are discussing in this forum?


Machr 19 2009
THE PHILIPPINES AT THE VERGE OF NATIONAL TRANSFORMATION

DR.CINDY JACOBS ON THE PHILIPPINES

God is going to release a moral reformation to this nation. The statistics today is not the Philippines’ destiny. Its destiny is to be a righteous, missionary-sending nation… The Philippines will become a reformation nation,” said world-renowned prophet to the nations, Dr. Cindy Jacobs, at the Establishing the Philippines Prophetic Destiny Conference in San Juan Arena on March 6 and 7.

While loudly echoing God’s glorious plan for the nation, Dr. Jacobs also pointed to the “principality of corruption” as the nation’s chief tormentor, and called for a holy generation that is appointed by God to pray, fast, and exercise justice and righteousness to dismantle it.
Speaking before delegates from various Christian churches and different sectors in the country, Dr. Jacobs said: “Corruption is a principality that thinks it owns the Philippines; but it’s coming down,” adding, “God wants to heal this nation. He has a plan to see the Holy Spirit change this nation.”

She emphatically urged the people to pray and fast, especially for the coming elections. “Fast for the elections coming up, cry out to God, that in the next election God is going to move in a massive way, the spirit of corruption will be broken,” Dr. Jacobs said.

According to her 2008 prophecy, the next two years will be extremely significant and crucial for the country’s glorious destiny. “Either you’re going into greatness, it’s going to transform the nation, or I see that there’s going to be some troubled times, so pray,” she said.

Change of season

Bishop Dan Balais of the Intercessors for the Philippines explained there is a change of season that is about to come in 2010, marking it as the opportune time for God’s people to make decisive actions that will impact the country’s hope and future of a righteous government. He said, “We need to trumpet the call for God’s calling. God’s timing for the Philippines’ crucial destiny is nearing developmental accomplishment in 2010. We don’t want to miss the time of God’s visitation.”

Since 2004, the intercession movement has been relentless in establishing prayer bases in different regions across the nation, beginning with local churches, and pioneered the national renewal movement as a precursor to jumpstart the building of a new Philippines. Bishop Balais said there are 70,000 Filipinos fasting for the country today. “We are at a crossroads of our destiny, so we must fast and pray.”

Despite being the only Christian country in Asia, evangelists from neighboring countries like conference speaker, Dr. Dexter Low of Latter Rain Church of Malaysia, expressed optimism that the Philippines will rise up to become one of the strongest and thriving countries in the region. Dr. Low claimed, “The Philippines will rise up. Let us seize the day the Philippines will have righteous government.”

Meanwhile, appearing in the conference for the first time with her husband, Mike Jacobs, Dr. Jacobs clearly identified the wicked spirits, along with the principality of corruption, which are controlling the nation. She named the spirit of fatherlessness as the chief reason why an orphan spirit has taken hold of the Philippines. Making her point clearer with the use of her hand-drawn picture of a tree, she said such spirit of fatherlessness takes root in the prevailing evil spirits of love of money or mammon, corruption, drug abuse, gambling, prostitution, poverty, and idolatry.

However, she also talked about how God desires to let loose the spirit of adoption in the Philippines. She said that the new Philippines shall arise as a tree of righteousness that is rooted in righteousness and justice, fear of the Lord, prosperity (economy), healed families, miracles/healings, cures for diseases, technological inventions, revival, new film industry, and media revolution.

“… God is raising up the David generation that will pull down and destroy the Goliath spirit,” she prophesied.

Sure foundations

Dr. Jacobs underscored justice and righteousness as two inseparable channels of God’s breakthroughs to the country. “We have to see the pillars of justice and righteousness in this nation because these are important principles of God,” Dr. Jacobs said, adding “There can be no judicial system that is legitimate without righteousness.”

On the seemingly prevailing culture of Filipino fatalism like gambling and feng shui, she strongly issued a warning: “Feng shui, ladyluck, and astrology will not protect your future,” she said while underscoring her point that “We cannot use unholy means to bring righteousness.”

Zero poverty

She prophesied there will be zero corruption, zero poverty, and zero pornography in the Philippines if people will commit themselves to righteousness and holiness because “righteousness exalts a nation.”
“God has created us to establish societies that are free from poverty. Poverty destroys the soul of a nation,” she said.

Dismissing fears of long-term global economic turmoil that is speculated to rattle the country’s financial systems, she prophesied the Philippines is going to be one of the wealthiest nations, citing indicators like oil discovery and unravelling of “treasures of darkness” that will benefit the Body of Christ. “The spirit of poverty will be broken and there will be a system put into place,” she said.

Dr. Jacobs said, “God is giving us the power to make wealth, and there will come a day when billions of dollars will not be spent on corruption.” She encouraged the Filipinos to “make wealth with your minds because God has given you His creative ability to think. There will be innovations in medicine in science and technology from the Philippines.”

In a statistics and figures-based presentation, Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) Deputy General and concurrent BSP Christian Fellowship Pastor Diwa Guinigundo presented how the country has been greatly blessed by God with rich natural resources which, he claimed, will lift the Philippines from vexing economic condition if managed and utilized effectively. He pointed out that “We have the resources to make it happen, but first we need to control corruption.”

He said at present there are 8.7 million Filipinos working abroad, 2.7 million here are jobless and 4.7 million are below poverty line. But, “The Lord is telling us to take possession. We allowed the devil to take control. Now is the time to repossess what’s rightfully ours.”

He also challenged the church to make a stand and become instrumental in steering the country to its prophetic destiny. “We are exercising priesthood, but not kingship. The Lord wants a fearless and uncompromising church,” he said.

Capping his exhortation with spiritual emphasis, he noted, “This is the time God is releasing anointing to His people. Let us not recruit, but breed a generation of leaders whose hearts belong to God—this is how we take dominion.”

Pearl of great price

Admitting she didn’t know the Philippines is recognized as the “pearl of the orient,” Dr. Jacobs said God is turning this country into the “pearl of great price.”

“God has dreams for the Philippines. He’s going to release moral reformation to this country. He’s raising up a generation of dreamers and reformers because the Philippines is a special treasure,” she emphasized.

Moreover, she said God wants this country and its people to be fruitful and multiply. But for that to happen, “we need to have complete obedience to our Creator, and then this nation will be fruitful.” She added, “There can be no compromise to righteousness, that’s why we need 100 percent holiness.”

“Corruption is a crime against the Creator. In order to see the principality of corruption come down, God has called for intercession to go on with fasting and prayer,” Dr. Jacobs said, unveiling the antidote to the principality of corruption. “There is a great awakening and reformation in the Philippines, and the sleeping giant—the Body of Christ—will arise.”

The two-day prophetic conference was presented by the Philippines for Jesus Movement, in cooperation with the Intercessors for the Philippines and the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas Christian Fellowship.

[trismegistos]

yes, i have watched cindy jacobs. have prophesied about the oil in palawan but filipinos never benefited from it and only the global elites.
at the same event, bro. eddie villanueva spoke like a presidentiable probably using cindy jacobs prophecy to bolster his claim at the presidency.
and their usual rants about graft and corruption in the philippines as the cause of the slave-like conditions of the filipinos echoing the rants of the several thinktanks and prophets of doom of the global elites and yet their masters are the primary source of graft and corruption.

[Suzuka00]

yes, i have watched cindy jacobs. have prophesied about the oil in palawan but filipinos never benefited from it and only the global elites.
at the same event, bro. eddie villanueva spoke like a presidentiable probably using cindy jacobs prophecy to bolster his claim at the presidency.
and their usual rants about graft and corruption in the philippines as the cause of the slave-like conditions of the filipinos echoing the rants of the several thinktanks and prophets of doom of the global elites and yet their masters are the primary source of graft and corruption.

The same thing happened to koreans,korea like luzon are treated as a buffer/puppet state by it's neighbors because of it's natural resources,luzon was treated as a buffer state between majapahit and china while korea was treated as a buffer state between china and japan,but look at south korea they learned to resist and now they did not allow their gold to be used by the foreigners and they used it to improve their lives.

Both Luzon and Korea adapted Confucian and taoist philosophies.

they both lost territories when colonizers attacked them,korea lost gando(now china) while lusung lost orchid island(now taiwan) and they both had their monarchies abolished,korea did get it's monarchy back although unrecognized by the government.

Therefore the Philippines and Korea need to cooperate..

and philippines and japan too but they were both manipulated by the elite...

according to my visions:

Luzon will no longer a christian area in the future according to my visions of the future,the distorted destiny will change back to it's proper course like a knot being loosen,perhaps it will be brought by monarchy revival.

It is true that the elites delayed the advancement of technology,which was started by muslim scientists.

it's payback time for european colonizers and china their civilizations will fall bankrupt but europeans as we know them will almost disappear on the face of the earth replaced by other people.

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: May 20 2009, 10:01 AM

[guruwise]

[Monkey Magic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is definitely a text meant for the desperate and stupid. Sure have a reverend tell it like its a Sunday school story you tell a stupid kid and bingo! its believeable. A 747 cargo carrier can haul around 134 tonnes of cargo so how many 1950s vintage KLM planes did they use to fly out all the 35000t of gold? Were 4 trailer trucks enough for 35000t? That´s the amount I interpret to have been withdrawn and sent . As for the huge amounts purportedly sent to the Vatican, why would you want to send it there in 1939? In that Year the USa called the shots! All gold would have been sent to the mainland USA. In 1939 a 6 week voyage with so much gold ( too much for one shipment) could easily fall prey to an outbreak of war during transit on a very hostile continent. I know of a dubious expat in the Philipipnes and a Mindanao crew who work in tandem selling all kinds of worthless currency such as old Yugoslavia claiming its part of a Marcos´ stash and they have made millions of peso from this operation over the years. The people who fall for this con they call ¨monkeys¨.




That the Reverend Father also admitted that the only gold bullion balance left in the Central Bank vaults are consisting of 400,000 metric tons; others, some 217,500 metric tons between 1965 to 1970 were illegally melted into another form of 75 kilos per bar and were transported to different countries in Red China, Hongkong, Switzerland, Germany, Australia, U.S.A., and in England;

[b]Here is the excerpt from the testimonies of Reverent Father Jose Antonio Diaz, alias Col. Severino Sta. Romana, [/b]taken in an open court room on 10:35 A.M. of May 5, 1972, before this Court and Amicus Curae:
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: With your permission, your Honor, supplemental to my cross examination to Reverend Father Jose Antonio Diaz, vital witness in connection with the illegal transport of said gold bullion of my client, the Royal Family, Tagean-Tallano Clan, which caused the sudden collapse of the value of Philippine peso, may I ask some important questions, your Honor, relevant to the Sworn
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Affidavit he executed before a notary public.
Court: Yes, you may provided the questions are relevant to the subject matter.

Amicus Curae: What is the purpose?
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Yes, your Honor. To clarify matters in accordance with missing gold reserves.
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Do you own this typewritten Sworn Affidavit, Reverend Witness and how did you come to know about the illegal transport of the deposited gold bullion from the Central Bank Vaults and that of its exact date?
Witness: Rev.Fr. Jose I was the one who signed this
Antonio Diaz affidavit, Sir, and being the caretaker of the Royal Family, I was the authorized signatory for the withdrawal of that deposited gold bullion from the Central Bank Vaults and I used it to withdraw the same as instructed to me by then Honorable Senate President Ferdinand E. Marcos on September 8, 1963. Besides, I was the one who
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accompanied Don Esteban Benitez Tallano in transporting the said gold bullion around 617,000 metric tons to Vatican City, your honor, sometime in 1939, to protect the item from the fast escalating World War II, then, your Honor.
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: How many kilos did you withdraw that time?
Witness: Rev. Fr. Jose Based on my arrangement with then
Jose Antonio Diaz Senate President Marcos, we will withdraw only 3 tons or 3,000 kilos but when I and Senate President Marcos were already in the Central Bank Vaults, Central Bank Governor Andres Castillo and Senator Marcos convinced me to sign the withdrawal document containing 35,000 tons that time, I have no choice but to sign.
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Reverend Witness after signing the withdrawal document you mentioned, what transpired next?
Witness: Rev. Fr. Jose Right at that moment, Senator Marcos
Antonio Diaz withdrew the gold bullion from the vault and loaded these on four (4) trailer trucks escorted by
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Philippine Army member led by unknown colonel and 4 members of the Philippine Constabulary and were driven toward the departure area of the Manila International Airport, then, Sir;
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Reverend Witness, when you were in the MIA departure area, what follows next?
Witness: Rev. Fr. Jose I witnessed the unloading of the
Antonio Diaz gold from the trailers, Sir, which were packed in 70 pieces of wooden crates and they loaded these in the belly of the KLM Airline that time.
Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Reverend Witness, you said you were there when the repacking of the gold had been done, how long did it take?
Witness: Rev. Fr. Jose Because when we arrived in the
Antonio Diaz Central Bank, the time was 8:00 o’clock in the morning. When they finished packaging and loading to the trailers, the time was 3:00 o’clock in the afternoon, so approximately Sir, it took seven (7) hours long when we finished.
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Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Being the caretaker of the Tallano-Tagean family’s gold bullion, can you tell to this Honorable Court how many and what is the exact number of kilos do the Tagean-Tallano Family had deposited in the vaults of the Central Bank?
Witness: Rev. Fr. Jose Exactly around 617,000 metric tons that the Tagean-Tallano had deposited to the vault through me in the year 1949 which we transported from the Vatican City in the year 1948 the same were lent to the national government to meet the required gold reserves of the newly organized and installed Central Bank then. But lately, when I went to the Central Bank along with the heirs, Don Esteban Benitez Tallano and Prince Julian Morden Tallano for verification and inventory recently, we found that the only exact inventory remained intact in the vault then was 400,000 metric tons, while, what I withdrew that time beyond the knowledge of the owner through instruction of then Senate President Marcos, now President of this Republic was 35,000 metric tons
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leaving a supposed inventory balance of 482,500 metric tons, but this was inconsistent to our findings where the last inventory balance was only 400,000 metric tons. Definitely, Sir, they used fraudulently my signature to withdraw such 82,500 metric tons.
Solicitor Guttierez: Your Honor, I wish to call the attention of the Honorable Court to strike … the words as follows: but this was inconsistent to our findings where the last inventory balance was only 400,000 metric tons. Definitely, Sir, they used fraudulently my signature to withdraw such 82,500 metric tons.
Amicus Curae: For what purpose?
Solicitor Guttierez: The answer of the witness was not responsive to the question profound by the counsel. Beside, his statement about the withdrawal of 82,500 metric tons is merely more on hearsay because he was not there when the alleged withdrawal of 82,500 metric tons took place.
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Atty. Cesar Paras Sr.: Objection, your Honor, the witness has the right opinion which is valid based on his authority designated to him by my client that he is the only person that has an authority to withdraw said gold bullion deposits.
Court: Alright, just maintain the record, eventually, we will cross the bridge when needed.
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[azaz]

Definitely no one is desperate here. This is a journey and we are exploring the scenery, a beautiful one . And the concept of stupidity is relative.