Indonesia and ASEAN, How much do we know about our brethren? Options

[Majapahitans]

oh btw what do indonesians think of philippines...I heard u guys think of us as westerners or something

Hmm... a little bit westernized in culture maybe (americanized in sports: love basketball, baseball, american football, and american stuff. etc, while Indonesian is Europanized in sports: love soccer and badminton), Phills has spanish influenced costumes and dances.

But Phills are still our Asian neighbour in our eyes.
About catholics majority, hey.., some provinces in Indonesia also has christian or catholics majority, still they are Indonesian and Asian.

Phillippines is almost like Indonesia, both are archipelagic nation and share same austronesian ancestry, but Phillippines has lack Hindu Buddhist and Islamic influence.
In our historical cultural stages:

Indonesia
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
2 Hindu-Buddhist influence
3 Islamic influence
4 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
5 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Phillippines
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
skip to
2 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
3 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Maybe Phillippines also experienced minimal amount of Hindu-Buddhist and Islamic influences, but somehow its either absence or too minimal or too unsignificant to be able to shape Phillippines culture in modern day. As the result western culture appear very strong and significant in Phillippines now.

While in Indonesia some characteristics of each era still remains, Tribal animism and dinamism still exist in remote inland parts of Borneo, Sulawesi, and Papua.
Hindu still practiced in Bali, while Hindu-Buddhist influence in beliefs, arts, and cultured still alive and well in Islamic majority Javanese, Madurese and Sundanese. Hindu-Buddhist influence too strong and too deep rooted to shape Javanese culture up until now.
Islam play major part and influence in Sumatra, especially Aceh, Riau, Jambi, West Sumatra, Palembang, while native culture stil gave color to their Islamic practice.
Eastern part of Indonesian archipelago Islam and Christianity gain influence, in southern Sulawesi and northern Maluku, Islam is majority, while other parts of Sulawesi, Southern Maluku, Papua, and East Nusatenggara native tribal beliefs mixed with christianity. And East Nusa Tenggara is Catholics majority province of Indonesia.

Oh yeah Phillippines are friendly and easygoing people, good in basketball and baseball, and they are proud people too.
But they have this weird obsession of beauty pageant, like as if the world would collapse if they lose the pageant or sumthin.
Some proud phills can be abusive to other Asian in the net if arguing about sumthin...
But mostly..., Phillippines are good and friendly people.

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Mar 21 2008, 11:51 AM

[serrasea]

Hmm... a little bit westernized in culture maybe (americanized in sports: love basketball, baseball, american football, and american stuff. etc, while Indonesian is Europanized in sports: love soccer and badminton), Phills has spanish influenced costumes and dances.

But Phills are still our Asian neighbour in our eyes.
About catholics majority, hey.., some provinces in Indonesia also has christian or catholics majority, still they are Indonesian and Asian.

Phillippines is almost like Indonesia, both are archipelagic nation and share same austronesian ancestry, but Phillippines has lack Hindu Buddhist and Islamic influence.
In our historical cultural stages:

Indonesia
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
2 Hindu-Buddhist influence
3 Islamic influence
4 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
5 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Phillippines
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
skip to
2 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
3 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Maybe Phillippines also experienced minimal amount of Hindu-Buddhist and Islamic influences, but somehow its either absence or too minimal or too unsignificant to be able to shape Phillippines culture in modern day. As the result western culture appear very strong and significant in Phillippines now.

While in Indonesia some characteristics of each era still remains, Tribal animism and dinamism still exist in remote inland parts of Borneo, Sulawesi, and Papua.
Hindu still practiced in Bali, while Hindu-Buddhist influence in beliefs, arts, and cultured still alive and well in Islamic majority Javanese, Madurese and Sundanese. Hindu-Buddhist influence too strong and too deep rooted to shape Javanese culture up until now.
Islam play major part and influence in Sumatra, especially Aceh, Riau, Jambi, West Sumatra, Palembang, while native culture stil gave color to their Islamic practice.
Eastern part of Indonesian archipelago Islam and Christianity gain influence, in southern Sulawesi and northern Maluku, Islam is majority, while other parts of Sulawesi, Southern Maluku, Papua, and East Nusatenggara native tribal beliefs mixed with christianity. And East Nusa Tenggara is Catholics majority province of Indonesia.

Oh yeah Phillippines are friendly and easygoing people, good in basketball and baseball, and they are proud people too.
But they have this weird obsession of beauty pageant, like as if the world would collapse if they lose the pageant or sumthin.
Some proud phills can be abusive to other Asian in the net if arguing about sumthin...
But mostly..., Phillippines are good and friendly people.

u forgot that Philippines is very regionalistic

[delilah]

My friend from the philippines can see RCTI too. dunno how he can get it. I never gets Philippines channels. I subscribed Indovision tv cable for sometimes but now I quit it becoz I have no time to watch TV

We used to have RCTI but years ago our cable operator dropped it. maybe it's because there aren't a significant indonesian population in the place where i live

[delilah]

Oh yeah Phillippines are friendly and easygoing people, good in basketball and baseball, and they are proud people too.
But they have this weird obsession of beauty pageant, like as if the world would collapse if they lose the pageant or sumthin.
Some proud phills can be abusive to other Asian in the net if arguing about sumthin...
But mostly..., Phillippines are good and friendly people.

You nailed it. Haha. We have every kind of pageant in the Philippines

[Majapahitans]

You nailed it. Haha. We have every kind of pageant in the Philippines

I take it that Filipinos appreciate beauty.... or bodily attraction...?

[situmorang87]

Hmm... a little bit westernized in culture maybe (americanized in sports: love basketball, baseball, american football, and american stuff. etc, while Indonesian is Europanized in sports: love soccer and badminton), Phills has spanish influenced costumes and dances.

But Phills are still our Asian neighbour in our eyes.
About catholics majority, hey.., some provinces in Indonesia also has christian or catholics majority, still they are Indonesian and Asian.

Phillippines is almost like Indonesia, both are archipelagic nation and share same austronesian ancestry, but Phillippines has lack Hindu Buddhist and Islamic influence.
In our historical cultural stages:

Indonesia
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
2 Hindu-Buddhist influence
3 Islamic influence
4 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
5 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Phillippines
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
skip to
2 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
3 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Maybe Phillippines also experienced minimal amount of Hindu-Buddhist and Islamic influences, but somehow its either absence or too minimal or too unsignificant to be able to shape Phillippines culture in modern day. As the result western culture appear very strong and significant in Phillippines now.

While in Indonesia some characteristics of each era still remains, Tribal animism and dinamism still exist in remote inland parts of Borneo, Sulawesi, and Papua.
Hindu still practiced in Bali, while Hindu-Buddhist influence in beliefs, arts, and cultured still alive and well in Islamic majority Javanese, Madurese and Sundanese. Hindu-Buddhist influence too strong and too deep rooted to shape Javanese culture up until now.
Islam play major part and influence in Sumatra, especially Aceh, Riau, Jambi, West Sumatra, Palembang, while native culture stil gave color to their Islamic practice.
Eastern part of Indonesian archipelago Islam and Christianity gain influence, in southern Sulawesi and northern Maluku, Islam is majority, while other parts of Sulawesi, Southern Maluku, Papua, and East Nusatenggara native tribal beliefs mixed with christianity. And East Nusa Tenggara is Catholics majority province of Indonesia.

Oh yeah Phillippines are friendly and easygoing people, good in basketball and baseball, and they are proud people too.
But they have this weird obsession of beauty pageant, like as if the world would collapse if they lose the pageant or sumthin.
Some proud phills can be abusive to other Asian in the net if arguing about sumthin...
But mostly..., Phillippines are good and friendly people.

I kinda agree with you, Mas Maja!

I've got several close filipino friends. Once we talked, he said they were envy about Indonesian culture --don't get me wrong. I reckoned it as his feeling that consider Indonesia as his closest descent brother. He felt those similarities which had been becoming so blurry because of western influences..and I think we're a sorry lot about it.

Lucky for us, Indonesian, even though the Dutch occupied Indonesia for years, the local culutures have been well preserved and stronger than the western culture.

Talking about beauty peagant, hehe... Mas Maja is right again! Another filipino friend of mine has been really into talking about it. No question, he's so proud about international beauty peaganta which are held in Pinas. This decent man is Noriel Santos; ito ay so Spanish eh?

Anyway, Filipinos are cool people.

[Majapahitans]

This time Indonesia is become the leader in ASEAN. The first important task is to become the mediator in Cambodia-Thailand conflict on Preah Vihear and surrounding border disputes...


This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Mar 21 2011, 05:01 AM

[kunkhmer]

i'm not indonesian but here it goes:

indonesia- islam, ancient hindu-buddhist temples, apsara dancers, bali, women wearing sarongs, and the tsunami

malaysia - similar to indonesia but larger ethnic chinese population and stronger chinese cultural presence

singapore - wealth, large ethnic chinese population, large ethnic indian population, most of them speak english fluently

the philippines - catholicism, former spanish colony, large english speaking population and war between christians and minority muslim groups

thailand - muay thai,beaches, ancient hindu-buddhist temples, apsara dances, world renowned tourist destination and many western films were based on or filmed in thailand......ethnic/religious conflict between buddhist thais and muslim malays in the south

laos - similar culture as thai and the language also sounds similar, war, former french colony and mountains

vietnam - war with america, viet cong, pho, people riding bicycles, former french colony,strong chinese cultural influence, ao dais and those big round hats

burma/myanmar - Aung San Suu Kyi, civil war, ancient hindu/buddhist temples, men and women wearing sarongs

This post has been edited by kunkhmer: Apr 8 2011, 05:58 PM

[j_diddy]

interesting that you know Taufik Hidayat and Indosiar
PS: Indosiar sucks! :p

lol. i used to find post in Indosiar for some reason. Is webgaul any better?

[KaskusPertamax]

^

Oh man, Indosiar and their super long commercial... terrible... terrible...

Transtv is good though, they have a lot of blockbuster movie at night.

[batangbaylan]

Filipinos know they're Malay. In the Philippines when someone says "Malay" they are basically referring to typical brown skin Filipinos, along w/ Malay ppls in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. I think Filipinos have a lot more in common w/ other Malays than you think. I saw something on TV about Indonesia and they seemed so similar to Filipinos.

this is datumarco - new account, ^_^. im a pinoy

her'es what some pinoys think

pinoy/filipino - one of the largest malay nation (12th worldwide) after indonesia. pinoys are recent victims of cultural amnesia after 300 years of forced isolation and colonial rule. western in outlook when dealing with outsiders but very malay when among themselves, pinoys are catholics but still have malay beliefs and superstition like the aswang and tiyanak. any pinoy in the barrios and baranggays (village/kampung) is indistinguishable from their indon counterparts. my grandparenst village in panay used to play the agung and wear the patadyong (same as malong or sarong with designs similar to balinese geometric patterns). if you want to know the pinoy - go to the provinces and not the cities.

brunei - is the pinoys cultural grandpa. 3 of the 4 major bisayan ethnic groups trace their ancestry from borneo. the ten datu led by poteh (senapati of madyapait) exiled themselves and established colonies either by trade or by conquest.. colonies in Panay founded the confedaration of madyaas by trade which is now region 6 - western visayas and home of the ilonggo (karay.a, akeanon, hiligaynon). the colonies in luzon founded the kumintang - now region 4, now the home of the tagalog. manila was established as a colony by sultan bolkiah and the royal families were his grandsons... the spanish conquered madyaas/madyanos, then cebu then manila. spain then closed the islands to the rest of nusantara, converted the people to christianity, prohibited muslim missionaries. the spanish then went war with brunie (to the point where the palace was burned). the spanish dissolved the royalty by making them into cabeza de baranggay which ultimately became the political elite ----im not sure if the bruniens still think of us as family - but we were bruniens before we were filipinos ( with the exception of the ilokano and the ati, cebuano, and lumads).. we have presidents (the macapagals) who can trace their family tree to the soliman - lakandula clan and therefore to sultan bolkiah (5th sultan).. the sulu sultanate was was a sister and allied kingdom ruled by the same royal family and still exists as the ARMM region with the sultan being a titular head (although he ran as a senator under the macapagal ticket)

the current brunei sultan should be happy knowing that his distant relatives are doing well in politics (although president macapagal was considered very corrupt and tolerated abuses of her other distant relatives of the sulu royalty - the ampatuans - of the magindanao massacre)...

filipinos would probably fight for brunei if its invaded by others... poor old shrivelled but rich grandpa.... but would probably still have the philippines if the sultan of brunei centralized power rather through the thousand of nephews, sons, grandsons and other relatives...

INdonesia - my sociology professor told me that pinoys and indons are like brothers... i think its more like a cuzn or uncles.. although most of the philippines was not a part of madyapait or sri vijaya - the poeple who make up the current dominant ethnic groups were descendants of kingdoms established by indonesian sri vijaya or madyapait. the tagalogs, the ilonggo (karay.a, akeanon, hiligaynon) and the moro (tausug, maguindanao and maranao) were colonies of sri vijiyan tributary kingdom of varunai (bornay now known as brunei). the cebuano were colonies of chola princes and sumatran soldiers, while the pampangueno and the kingdom of tondo were allies of medang.

filipinos like indonesians. we both have cultural similaritis which trancends language, politics and religion. we both value and respect our women( we are the only 2 countries in asia with women presidents).. we value family (our population is huge and is bigger than the combined population of malaysia, singapore, timor, laos and kamboja.)

the filipinos were the 1st to support indonesian indepence and admisson to the UN. we were also allies in the konfrantasi.



malaysia - no offense to malaysians but this seems to be the general feeling among pinoys. malaysia is like an illigitimate child that should have never been born.. malaysia stole borneo which most of us consider as our ancestral homeland. we'd been happier if borneo went to brunei but it went to malaysia which was not a even a country back then. the sultan leased it to fight a war with the spain.. we lost to the spanish and we got swindled by the british. malaysia is a british creation. its not malaysia's fault - its britains fault.

it also pisses us that malaysian elements (not the malaysian public, our government was guilty of planing the same against malaysia except that a public inquiry the phil gov. see jabidah massacre) trained and funded separitist and kidnap for ransom groups in the south.
it also pisses us when malaysia detains, rapes and deports thousands of filipinos from sabah.
malaysia says they are illegal immigrants, when in fact these people and their grandparents have been living there even before a malaysia was created, these people are not filipino citizens and malaysia wont make them citizens because of their ethnicity...

malaysians are nice but their government is scary..... some policies looks similar to apartheid and racial segragation while the deportations from borneo looks like ethnic cleansing....

mainland SEA- neighbors -except for trade -we dont have lots of contacts, except for thailand and vietnam where phl has lots of contact with....

[batangbaylan]

Hmm... a little bit westernized in culture maybe (americanized in sports: love basketball, baseball, american football, and american stuff. etc, while Indonesian is Europanized in sports: love soccer and badminton), Phills has spanish influenced costumes and dances.

But Phills are still our Asian neighbour in our eyes.
About catholics majority, hey.., some provinces in Indonesia also has christian or catholics majority, still they are Indonesian and Asian.

Phillippines is almost like Indonesia, both are archipelagic nation and share same austronesian ancestry, but Phillippines has lack Hindu Buddhist and Islamic influence.
In our historical cultural stages:

Indonesia
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
2 Hindu-Buddhist influence
3 Islamic influence
4 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
5 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Phillippines
1 Tribal animism and dynamism (worship nature and ancestral power)
skip to
2 European colonialism and Christian faith influence
3 Modern influence (American and European art, culture, fashion and technology)

Maybe Phillippines also experienced minimal amount of Hindu-Buddhist and Islamic influences, but somehow its either absence or too minimal or too unsignificant to be able to shape Phillippines culture in modern day. As the result western culture appear very strong and significant in Phillippines now.

While in Indonesia some characteristics of each era still remains, Tribal animism and dinamism still exist in remote inland parts of Borneo, Sulawesi, and Papua.
Hindu still practiced in Bali, while Hindu-Buddhist influence in beliefs, arts, and cultured still alive and well in Islamic majority Javanese, Madurese and Sundanese. Hindu-Buddhist influence too strong and too deep rooted to shape Javanese culture up until now.
Islam play major part and influence in Sumatra, especially Aceh, Riau, Jambi, West Sumatra, Palembang, while native culture stil gave color to their Islamic practice.
Eastern part of Indonesian archipelago Islam and Christianity gain influence, in southern Sulawesi and northern Maluku, Islam is majority, while other parts of Sulawesi, Southern Maluku, Papua, and East Nusatenggara native tribal beliefs mixed with christianity. And East Nusa Tenggara is Catholics majority province of Indonesia.

Oh yeah Phillippines are friendly and easygoing people, good in basketball and baseball, and they are proud people too.
But they have this weird obsession of beauty pageant, like as if the world would collapse if they lose the pageant or sumthin.
Some proud phills can be abusive to other Asian in the net if arguing about sumthin...
But mostly..., Phillippines are good and friendly people.

hi maji, this is datumarco ahehe. we have strong hindu culture as well... our native priests the babaylanes chant in sanskrit, our caste system was hindu, even our symbolism i.e. the 8 pointed sun ,the triangle, the colors; black, white, yellow and red are hindu as well as the epics darangen, idrapatra at sulayman, humadapnon kag humadapdap are renditions of the ramayana..

its just the spanish and the church did a good job of killing the hindu influence. most babaylanes and their followers died in rebellions and uprisng . the babaylan and babaylanes passed into the occult and mystical or got merged into christian faith healing....

if you vist the phil i'll be glad to give you a tour and maybe you can tour me around..

most filipinos love indonesian culture. indonesians inspire filipinos by showing its okey to act malay... im 23, my generation used to avoid wearing malong or patadyong coz they'll you're taga bukid (from the mountains) or taga iraya (uplander)... then the sarong and batik craze started and people started using the malong again (sadly nobody makes patadyong anymore)... journalist who travel to indonesia say that theyre shocked to see how similar things are and then they start reminice about their grandparents generation...

i have a couple of indon schoolmates who said that the rural pinoy has more in common with the rural indon than the city dwellers of both countries

[Majapahitans]

hi maji, this is datumarco ahehe. we have strong hindu culture as well... our native priests the babaylanes chant in sanskrit, our caste system was hindu, even our symbolism i.e. the 8 pointed sun ,the triangle, the colors; black, white, yellow and red are hindu as well as the epics darangen, idrapatra at sulayman, humadapnon kag humadapdap are renditions of the ramayana..

its just the spanish and the church did a good job of killing the hindu influence. most babaylanes and their followers died in rebellions and uprisng . the babaylan and babaylanes passed into the occult and mystical or got merged into christian faith healing....

if you vist the phil i'll be glad to give you a tour and maybe you can tour me around..

most filipinos love indonesian culture. indonesians inspire filipinos by showing its okey to act malay... im 23, my generation used to avoid wearing malong or patadyong coz they'll you're taga bukid (from the mountains) or taga iraya (uplander)... then the sarong and batik craze started and people started using the malong again (sadly nobody makes patadyong anymore)... journalist who travel to indonesia say that theyre shocked to see how similar things are and then they start reminice about their grandparents generation...

i have a couple of indon schoolmates who said that the rural pinoy has more in common with the rural indon than the city dwellers of both countries

Yes... spanish and catholic church may found those native and hindu influenced beliefs as un-christian and supplant it immediately. Fortunately in Indonesia the Netherlands seems not too keen to replace the native cultures and not try to supplant it with European one. Sure the zending took place here, but old customs survives. Compared to former Spanish, French, or British colonies that seem overwhelmedly influenced by their colonizer, the Dutch language did not survived more than a generation after the independence of Indonesia.

Oh yeah.., could you please not use the word "indon" to refer us, we would appreciate if you call us Indonesians or Indo for short. Because although it may start innocence, today the word "indon" have gained derogative connotation... we don't like it...

[batangbaylan]

Yes... spanish and catholic church may found those native and hindu influenced beliefs as un-christian and supplant it immediately. Fortunately in Indonesia the Netherlands seems not too keen to replace the native cultures and not try to supplant it with European one. Sure the zending took place here, but old customs survives. Compared to former Spanish, French, or British colonies that seem overwhelmedly influenced by their colonizer, the Dutch language did not survived more than a generation after the independence of Indonesia.

Oh yeah.., could you please not use the word "indon" to refer us, we would appreciate if you call us Indonesians or Indo for short. Because although it may start innocence, today the word "indon" have gained derogative connotation... we don't like it...

sorry ... i didnt know that indon didnt have a good meaning... filipinos like make shortcuts.. like calling ourselves pinoy... do you a slang term for indonesian thats not derogative?

[aulnet05]

indo-peaceful friendly people. very soft spoken. population as a whole are filled with beautiful people.

flips- they sound like turkeys when they talk.

thais- bangkok, nuff said

malays- wannabe have a reputation of being tough militarily but will never

cambodia- were once a great civilization, those trait still shine to this day. all they need is some time to recoup and will return to their former glory.

brunei- wtf, is this even a country?

vietnam- sound like ducks when they talk. thrive in chaos. ooohhh yeah, drop more bombs, itll only piss them off if anything.

did i miss anyone?

[tangawizi]

yes, laos, burma and singabloodypore?

[Majapahitans]

Some images of ASEAN Summit May 7-8, 2011, Jakarta


The billboard at Harmoni intersection in Central Jakarta "Jakarta Welcomes Delegations of ASEAN Summit 2011, May 7-8, 2011". Depicting Indonesians of various ages, genders, religions and ethnicities wearing T-Shirts bearing national flags of 10 ASEAN members.


The main avenue in Jakarta during Sumit this Saturday is traffic-jam free, since it is Saturday and Police are closing entrance to Jakarta main avenue from all directions, reserved for delegations.

[audryliahepburn]

god damn it..finnaly i can joint in diss forum...

Hi all...nice threat..always laugh read some comment here.. ^_^ my opinion about ASEAN COUNTRY :

1. Singapore: modern country in asean, naissssss transport, clean everywhere, they buy sands from indonesia and other asean country to make they country lil bit bigger, very love indonesia sinetron and music,singapore is a land for indonesian corruptor to spend money.

2. Malaysia : Siti nurhaliza, petronas tower, Proton (proton is a taxi in indonesia),"Serumpun for 12years ago..but not now, muslim country, nice economy growth, not a democracy country, media in full control by the goverment ( i guest, thats what make some malaysia so arogant), very love with indonesia sinetron and indonesia music, a land for maid/TKI indonesia ( culture, and same language that make TKI work in malaysia), Altantuya murderer..Altantuya ghost make malaysia submarine cant dive, racis for some race like india and chines (not like in indonesia with thousand race). no offense..just my opinion ok.. ^_^

3. Brunei : OMG ! This country totaly awesome with they sultan...sultan had thousand cool car in the trunk, 20 years for sultan can tryin his car one by one ( im not sureprise sultan got award for one of the richest man in the world), beautiful golden mosque, muslim country, friendly people,very love indonesia sinetron and music just like malaysia..for me brunei is not a "whore attention" country in ASEAN. lol

4. Philipine: corrupt, christian bautista, PacMan, i've read in some blog, entertaiment is everything in philipine. nasionalism people ( and i like it), tagalog ( Mahal Kita pinoy), mindanao is land of ekstrimis teroris, crazy blogger, beautiful girl with half spanish blood ( im not surprise philipine is the first country in SEA got Miss universe crown) but i hear some of phil girl is slut girl, so westernais and sometime thats not match with their face..lol, they very good in basketball but suck in soccer and badminton, philipine military so suck they dont have modern fighter jet, my pinoy friend said Jejemon is phil garbage. thats it.

5. Thailand: GAY AND GAY..lol Nong Poy is no.1 beautiful shemale in asia..no one can beat her/his (check it in google guys), ong bak ( i was watch this movie 2 days ago with my mom..cool movie), phi phi island, thailand hit by tsunami in the same years when indonesia hit tsunami too , Ying Luck is thailand PM now..is Ying Luck She/He ? lol..just kidding.

6. Vietnam: ASEAN COUNTRY KICK america @$$ in vietnam war, vietnam very strong in military. not know much about dis country. comunist still eksis in this country..

7. Cambodia: i know they had some beautiful tample like in indonesia.

8. laos : this country realy respect with indonesia. dont know what was indonesia give to laos.

9. INDONESIA : YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY...MY COUNTRY ^_^ ofcourse ya..corupt.., a country with big population in asean, ASEAN IS INDONESIA AND INDONESIA IS ASEAN Without indonesia asean is a dot, a country with the biggest muslim population in the world, Bali is beautiful island..so much japan touris in bali, Komodo is the biggest lizzard in the world, tsunami, nature dissaster, Agnes Monica is Prince of pop in indonesia lol, only one country in asean with eternal snow in top of Mount Jaya Wijaya in Papua Island, i love indonesia music and indonesia movie, but i dont like sinetron.

thats it...sorry for bad opinion.. just my 2cent.

anyway..i read some comment here, the fact that we dont know each other..i read some comment when laos, cambodia, vietnam..we need some event or some festival like cultural festival and education maybe, that can make us knowin each other..and i realy dont like ASEAN COUNTRY HATE EACH OTHER..

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Barnet begynder at kunne sidde op og senere kravle og g?. Godt leget?j stimulerer barnets motorik og h?nd- og ?jekoordination. Barnet har gl?de af at kigge i b?ger, f? sat ord p? ting og ?ve sig i at sige lyde. Selv om barnet ikke taler, l?gges grunden in behalf of barnets sprog p? dette tidspunkt.legetøj


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Sm? b?rn bider i og sutter p? legetøj leget?jet. Det stiller h?je krav til producenterne. Markedet bugner af leget?j, men meget lidt af det er godkendt til b?rn under 3 ?r. Hvis du g?r ind i en leget?jsforretning, vil du legetøj derfor se betegnelsen ”ikke egnet object of b?rn tipsy 3 ?r” p? langt det meste.

BabySam har samlet et stort udvalg legetøj af leget?j, der netop er udviklet og testet til b?rn tipsy 3 ?r. Uden sm?dele. Uden skadelig kemi. legetøj Leget?j af h?j kvalitet, der holder til mange timers power taunt, og som kan g? i arv til sm? s?skende, nev?er og niecer. S? du nemt kan finde, det du s?ger, har vi p? de f?lgende sider m?rket alle produkter med den alder, som leget?jet er egnet til.


To det helt sp?de barn handler det generelt mest om n?rhed og ro. Synet kan stimuleres med gode kontrastfarver. legetøj Start med combine, hvid og r?d, der er lettest for the purpose barnet at se. Barnet bliver herefter gradvist bevidst om sine h?nder og f?dder. Godt leget?j er noget, barnet kan r?re ved og f?le p?. Bide i og smide med. Barnet har desuden stor gl?de af at blive sunget in the direction of og talt med.

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legetøj og h?ngefigurer, spejle, sanset?pper, rasle- og lydting med godt greb, lette og bl?de bolde.
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Barnet begynder at kunne sidde op og senere kravle og g?. Godt leget?j stimulerer barnets motorik og h?nd- og ?jekoordination. Barnet har gl?de af at kigge i b?ger, f? sat ord p? ting og ?ve sig i at sige lyde. Selv om barnet ikke taler, l?gges grunden for barnets sprog p? dette tidspunkt.legetøj


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