Mongolian Neo-Nazi only do this to spite China?, What the hell is this? Options

[RheeSan21]

So, being Oirat (as I am sure many people here is know now) I of course has my roots from Genghis Khan horde many centuries ago, and am feeling much more strong connection to Mongolia than I am to my birth place: Russia. However, when I am reading some story about new emerging of Neo-Nazi group in Mongolia, particularly near capital, I am become very concern. Who is these people? Why are they take part in sub-culture which is promote white supremacy, if they is yellow people.

Well, this is what I hear:

Mongolian Neo Nazi has one main group. It called "White Swastika" or something like this. They is saying that 'swastika' is ancient Asian symbol (which is true) and that they wants to claim it back from German. However, they is wearing clothing very similar to Nazi stormtroop from WW2, and even using Nazi flag of red and white colors. Now, they is saying that for them, they do not promote white supremacist value, but MONGOLIAN supremacist value. Their reason: They is afraid that China is taking away their territory, and that Chinese men is coming to Mongolia to steal all their women or some nonsense like this. They say that for them, Neo-Nazi movement is help to promote their nationalism and take defence against agression from China.

So, what I am asking is this? How on the world can someone take ideology which is spit on all people of non-white nationality, when that person is non-white, and use this ideology to promote their own nationality? How is this making sense? Do they not realize that Nazis would look at Mongolians like yellow scum, and Germany's Japanese allies are probably kill Mongolians if this is during war?
So is Mongolian Neo-Nazis really having some legitimate reason to adopt this ideology to promote their nation feelings, or is they just doing it as kind of "fu-k you" to China?

Anyone knows? Also, I am liking to know Chinese opinions of this. Do you think Mongolians is right to feel threatened by you? Is this justify them using B.S ideology system?

[Titanium]

Any group other than Germans attempting to adopt a Neo-Nazi mentality should be laughed at and not taken seriously.

This post has been edited by Titanium: Feb 20 2012, 12:31 PM

[RheeSan21]

Any group other than Germans attempting to adopt a Neo-Nazi mentality should be laughed at and not taken seriously.

So you think Mongolian "nationalist" like these men is just clowns, with no threat for China and no reason to be consider danger to society?

[AsiaticGlory]

I support Mongolia's right to remain Mongolian but I think their appeals to Nazism is just pathetic. It's no wonder people think Asians worship whites. Why don't Mongolians appeal to Genghis Khan instead?

Any group other than Germans attempting to adopt a Neo-Nazi mentality should be laughed at and not taken seriously.

Nazis believed in Northern European supremacy so I don't think it would be a joke if British and Scandinavians adopted the neo-Nazi mentality.

[RheeSan21]

I support Mongolia's right to remain Mongolian but I think their appeals to Nazism is just pathetic. It's no wonder people think Asians worship whites. Why don't Mongolians appeal to Genghis Khan instead?

So, in your opinion to do you believe that maybe these men has some right to feel threaten by China, even if their response is by adopting stupid ideology?

[AsiaticGlory]

So, in your opinion to do you believe that maybe these men has some right to feel threaten by China, even if their response is by adopting stupid ideology?

There are Mongolians who are worried their country would get taken over by the Chinese. Even if the Chinese government didn't care about ruling Mongolia, there are Chinese immigrating to their country. China is a crowded country while Mongolia is sparsely populated so Mongolians are worried of a Chinese demographic takeover.

Mongolians do have a right to be worried but they can express their views without being neo-Nazis.

[RheeSan21]

There are Mongolians who are worried their country would get taken over by the Chinese. Even if the Chinese government didn't care about ruling Mongolia, there are Chinese immigrating to their country. China is a crowded country while Mongolia is sparsely populated so Mongolians are worried of a Chinese demographic takeover.

Mongolians do have a right to be worried but they can express their views without being neo-Nazis.

This I agree upon. This idea of taking part in sub-culture which comes from white people is just stupid. Like you say earlier, it would be better if they take their influence from famous Mongol like Genghis Khan or something. Instead of making Nazi group, they could make "New Mongol Horde" and dress in old armor instead of SS uniform XD

[CRYPT]

There are Mongolians who are worried their country would get taken over by the Chinese. Even if the Chinese government didn't care about ruling Mongolia, there are Chinese immigrating to their country. China is a crowded country while Mongolia is sparsely populated so Mongolians are worried of a Chinese demographic takeover.

Mongolians do have a right to be worried but they can express their views without being neo-Nazis.

Didn't you say you were Taiwanese? Doesn't Taiwan claim Mongolia as part of the Republic of China?

[AsiaticGlory]

Didn't you say you were Taiwanese? Doesn't Taiwan claim Mongolia as part of the Republic of China?

That is the KMT's claim. Despite having Taiwanese parents, I am identifying myself as an overseas Asian. In any case, I don't really care about intra-Asian conflict. My race comes first. Nationality and ethnicity are second.

[RheeSan21]

That is the KMT's claim.

Kuomintang is still exist? I thought they re-form themself into some other kind of group after they lose civil war with Communist?

[Copenhagen]

Mongolian neo-nazis are pathetic. What have modern-day Chinese done to Mongolians that upset them so much? I remember a Chinese was murdered in Mongolia last year. white Nazis would laugh their assess off at those Mongolian motherfu-kers LOLOL

This post has been edited by Copenhagen: Feb 20 2012, 02:25 PM

[AsiaticGlory]

Kuomintang is still exist? I thought they re-form themself into some other kind of group after they lose civil war with Communist?

They left China to rule Taiwan. Some also went into Southeast Asia.

[RheeSan21]

What have modern-day Chinese done to Mongolians that upset them so much?

Like I say earlier in my first comment, I think Mongolians is using Neo-Nazi ideology to promote their feeling of secure, because they is worried that Chinese will try to take away their lands. They in some ways is right to be a bit worry, in my opinion. In old time China was sometimes have clash along the borders with Mongolia, and like another user here say, even KMT claim that Mongolia is belong to Chinese territory. So Mongolians feel threaten about possibility of conflict with their neighbor, so they try to use some kind of sub-culture to make themself feel stronger.

I am agree that Nazi is one of the dumbest thing they can do, and I not try to excuse it. I only explain what I think their reason is. They afraid of losing land to China because of past history, so they wants some kind of unity group that will stand up to "evil invaders". Is bull$hit, in my opinion.

[CRYPT]

Like I say earlier in my first comment, I think Mongolians is using Neo-Nazi ideology to promote their feeling of secure, because they is worried that Chinese will try to take away their lands. They in some ways is right to be a bit worry, in my opinion. In old time China was sometimes have clash along the borders with Mongolia, and like another user here say, even KMT claim that Mongolia is belong to Chinese territory. So Mongolians feel threaten about possibility of conflict with their neighbor, so they try to use some kind of sub-culture to make themself feel stronger.

I am agree that Nazi is one of the dumbest thing they can do, and I not try to excuse it. I only explain what I think their reason is. They afraid of losing land to China because of past history, so they wants some kind of unity group that will stand up to "evil invaders". Is bull$hit, in my opinion.

The PRC does not claim Mongolia. There is no need. They dominate Mongolia economically and militarily. Landlocked nations are essentially screwed, especially if they have a small population and very little industry or natural resources.

I think a lot of overseas Chinese go back to China if the media stop portraying China as North-Korea like.

[RheeSan21]

The PRC does not claim Mongolia.

Excuse me, I did not say PRC. I said KMT. They is not exactly same thing. Kuomintang does not have same ideals as modern day PRC. Look at what Chinese user a little before this posted.

[Crossbowman123]

With a population equivalent to a small prefecture city in China, Mongolians should be scared/insecure knowing the history between the two countries.

[Crossbowman123]

What is your experience living in Russia?. Russia home the world's largest neo-nazi population. I hear they target people from Caucasus and Central Asians exclusively.

[RheeSan21]

With a population equivalent to a small prefecture city in China, Mongolians should be scared/insecure knowing the history between the two countries.

Exactly. This is why they is making radical group like Neo-Nazi. To try and bring some sort of defense and make them feel braver. This is what they are believing, I think. But of course, ideology that they are choosing to represent is moronic.

[Crossbowman123]

Exactly. This is why they is making radical group like Neo-Nazi. To try and bring some sort of defense and make them feel braver. This is what they are believing, I think. But of course, ideology that they are choosing to represent is moronic.

Like Russian counterparts, Mongolian nationalists should have rallied under a different banner.

[RheeSan21]

What is your experience living in Russia?. Russia home the world's largest neo-nazi population. I hear they target people from Caucasus and Central Asians exclusively.

I think a lot of them is hate us. For many centuries my people is subject to racial laws by white Russians against us. They is exploit our native land for oil and military testing zone, ban all our Mongol languages from school, make many of us take Russian surname, and look at us like we is foreigner in our own land. Some years ago there was group who try to make law to export all of us back to Asia country like Mongolia or Kazakhstan.
In modern days some of this is a little less strong, but still there is much hidden anger between us and whites because of old history. If you have heard, during Second World War almost all of Kalmyk population (which is one group of Oirat people) was deported to prison camps because invading Germans is conscript young Siberian men to fight for them, and Russian view them as "traitor". Many Kalmyk die in camps, and when war is finish and they come back home, people is finding that their homes was taken over by white Russian and Ukraine people. Many more is starve to death because of this.

I am not having so much experience with "Nazi" group where I am from in Russia, but still when I was go to school and these things I am sometimes make fun of by some white people for being "different." I remember one person make joke about me being ching-chong Chinese and these things. Because we is being treated so poorly by whites, many of our people is not trusting other Russians anymore, and this makes even more hate between us. Like I say before, in modern day is kind of less, but is still much anger which is hidden between us.