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[soso]

sorry for double posting. just to finish the ...
bye :-)

[NitaKang]

Wow thats long to look up, how do you say "Oh my god?"

[jujulay]

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This post has been edited by jujulay: Jun 6 2007, 01:01 PM

[Preydominator]

Wow thats long to look up, how do you say "Oh my god?"

Trời ơi!

Edit: LOL jujulay is like 2 sec earlier. You mean "Trời đất ơi", right?

This post has been edited by Preydominator: Jul 10 2005, 04:19 PM

[devilish]

Sheesh, without those freaking accent marks, I'd probably be able to teach myself Vietnamese.

[jujulay]

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This post has been edited by jujulay: Jun 6 2007, 01:03 PM

[Vuong]

Choi/troi oi

It's like...heavens above? Skies above

Lmao, just heard my dad say "troi dat oi"

Weird coincidence

Screw the accent marks. I honestly suck.

This post has been edited by Vuong: Jul 10 2005, 04:22 PM

[vIeTpRidEs_wOrLd...]

Wow thats long to look up, how do you say "Oh my god?"

Ôi , lạy chúa tôi

[vIeTpRidEs_wOrLd...]

Sheesh, without those freaking accent marks, I'd probably be able to teach myself Vietnamese. 

and u would be a lot better if u can teach urself Vietnamese with those accents because without those accents, it wouldnt be VIETNAMESE anymore

[devilish]

True, true. But the letter "a" alone is pronounced 20 something different ways. Make my eyes hurt.

[Preydominator]

"Trời" does not only mean the sky but it also means "heaven". And "Ông Trời" = God.

[NitaKang]

Trời đất ơi

So that's how correctly spelled, I assume?

I think it's "troi oi" or "troi duc oi" (more emphasis). It doesn't exactly mean "oh my god", but rather something along the lines of "oh sky". I think...

Chooy duc ehyyy, is the pronounciation right? lol.

It's like...heavens above? Skies above

Lmao, just heard my dad say "troi dat oi"

I tried saying that to you!!!! XD lol. Is it like for every expression? Like whenever you're mad or happy?

[jujulay]

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This post has been edited by jujulay: Jun 6 2007, 01:03 PM

[Qtng]

Sheesh, without those freaking accent marks, I'd probably be able to teach myself Vietnamese. 

What's evil is the accent overloading. Some accents are tone marks some are not. It's hard to tell đây, đầy, đãy, dây, dẩy, đấy, or đày from all the other days... On screen you need big glasses to see those micro spots, on paper it looks like noise made by the copier.

I helped myself by using a transcription of the viet letters, that is similar to the TELEX method but more readable. In German the letters äöüß are written ae, oe, ue, ss when it is necessary. I use combinations for viet letters in a similar way:


đ -> dh
ă -> ae (short a, "fun")
ê -> ei (long e, "day")
ô -> ou (long o, "toe")
ư -> uh (like japanese u or korean eu, "uh")
ơ -> oh (long schwa sound, long "the")
â -> ah (short schwa sound, "the")


The h in ah/oh/uh is special, because it moves to the right if a vowel follows. For example người becomes nguòih (and not nguhòhi).
Three exeptions: iê, yê, uô are written ie, ye, uo, for example vien, nguyen, vuon.
The tone marks remain the same á, à, ả, ã, ạ or are replaced by VPS numbers a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 if there is no possibility to type those accents.

This system is 100% reversable and compatible with regular vietnamese alphabet. So if you use this transcription you can later convert to normal alphabet with no problem. I also often use it to write Vietnamese on devices that support no viet letters, e.g. mobile phones.

With this transcription lesson one in Vietnamese looks something like this:

*** Adressing people ***
toui - I - 碎 say between toi and tui, with unaspirated t
anh - you (male of same age) - 英 say "un" like in fun
chị - you (female of same age) - 姊 say "dyee"
em - you (person of younger age) - 俺 say "am" like in pam
bác - you (person that is one generation above you) - 伯 say "bak" rhymes on bark
nó - he, she, it (not in polite speech) - 伮 say "naw"

*** Verbs ***
là - to be (how or who) - 罗 say "la" rhymes on far
ỏh - to be (where) - �� say "a" rhymes on "the" but much longer
có - to have - 固 say "gaw"
nói - to say - 呐 say "noy" like in annoy
dhi - to go - say "dee"
yeu - to love - say "eeyoo" in a glide

*** Phrases ***
Anh yeu Em - I love you (male to younger person, i.e. girlfriend) - say "un eeyoo am"
Em yeu Anh - vice versa "am eeyoo un"
Anh Tein gì - You older male person, what's your name?
Anh Tein Micky - My name is Micky
Nó là Micky, hả? - He is Micky, really (question word)?
Tein gì lạ quá - What a rare name

This post has been edited by Qtng: Jul 10 2005, 05:58 PM

[vIeTpRidEs_wOrLd...]

hey um once again , oh my god is not Trời đất ơi. It is Ôi , lạy chúa tôi

[Preydominator]

VPWW, isn't "lạy chúa tôi!" meaning "Praise the Lord!"

[Vuong]

I asked my mum and the first reponse she gave was "Troi oi".

The she said the "lay chua", but I guess the first is used moer often.

[ddha]

thanks ddha but i think learning Vietnamese like this is not a good way, Vietnamese is very complicated

I agree. It is difficult to fully learn Vietnamese this way. It's only meant to gave people a basic understanding of the Vietnamese language.

Thanks Donna. Great initiative. I will monitor this thread and help just in case anyone need my help. I can speak n write Vietnamese fluently.

Thanks Preydominator... I need all the help I could get cuz my Vietnamese still needs a lot of improvements. I still get the ? and ~ tones mixed up.

Looking at those accent marks gave me a headache. I do want to learn Vietnamese, but it looks damn hard. 

The accent marks are not really that difficult cuz there's only 6 of them... 5 really. It only gets a little confusing when they're placed on the vowels. But once you familiarize yourself with the vowels then the accent marks just helps you pronounce the word.

For instance, I speak Vietnamese Tôi nói tiếng Việt

We would pronounce like this:

Tôi, t-oh-ee, with no accent marks, would be pronounced like toy
nói, n-aw-ee, with accent mark / would be pronounced with a raising tone like nawee
tiếng t-ee-eh-ng, with accent mark / would be pronounced with a raising tone like t-ee-ehng
Việt, v-ee-eh-t, with accent mark . would be pronounced with a dropped down or weighted tone like v-ee-eh-t

Does this kinda help.. or does it confuse you even more?

This post has been edited by ddha: Jul 11 2005, 10:36 AM

[ApatheticAzn]

If people want to learn they can just go to school. No point trying to teach people here cuz they wouldn't understand a thing.

[quocthaibinhan]

It is just and intro. Nothing wrong with it.