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[kieshin]

You are the one who think too much and confuse with what I'm saying. That is why I said you are insecure. Your insecurity cause you to misunderstood. I never interested to compare whether SEA are closer to Korean or Chinese.I only explain to you why SEA and people like islandBrother choose to relate SEA with Korean and that is through o2-o2a-o2b connection. It's the YDNA that motivate them to relate themselves with Korean more than Han Chinese as their YDNA are more similar towards Korean.Even if you talk about the look alone, as I said, Han Chinese don't look anything like Indonesian or Malay, especially the picture you posted .They don't look anything like Korean or Han Chinese. End of debate. Another reason why I don't want to talk about look is because I've seen through a lot of similar debate here in AF and they always selected bias pictures to represent certain ethnicity. Most people will always cherry picked photos on the internet so that things goes the way they want. I hope I make myself clear as I would like to end this pointless conversation with you as soon as possible as I already explain all the relevant points to you, unless, it really necessary for me to reply back. I have a feeling our conversation will become repetitive and going into one cycle. Beside, I don't want this kind of thread appear in the first page of Chinese Chat. I mean, come on, islandBrother already make similar topics in other Chat.

out of all asian you guys are the farthest away from the korean, you guys are closer to indian (lookwise and genetic) but why insisted that you relate to the korean the most than other asian?
you guys even closer to manchus than korean since the O2 started to mutated in manchus, why leave out the manchus and mongols? since O2b originated from them? bocz then ur argument will only look stupid yes?

people can spot the different between korean and malay from mile away....what does that mutation mean? it means difference in physical appearance, u really are numb!
(unfortunately) the chinese actually closer to SEA than northeast, since chinese males carry more SEA y-chromosom O3 and O2a (which is SEA Y-chromosome) than other northeastasian...., and rarely northeast asian Y-chromosome among chinese males....
most likely all these SEA males spreading their genes up north....as u can read all these DNA evidence....it's always the Y-Chromosome from the south dominate the y-chromosome of the northerner and southerner.....

I dont' pick an ugly pictures of malaysian males, that is picture of popular malaysian boyband: 24/7........they are CELEBRITIES in MALAYSIA! those guys are ABOVE AVEREGE among malaysian males population......those guys supposed to compete against popular korean boyband in malaysia!!!!!! I didn't pick and choose just bcoz I want to relate to some beautiful people, like you!!

if you relate SEA and korean thru O2 or O2b then what is the different between NORTHEAST ASIAN and SEA? NOTHING!
again, what does those mutation means? it means changing in physical appearance!

you want to proof that SEA are closer to korean than han chinese...YOU HAVE TO COMPARE those population physical appereance, bcoz that is what those DNA is all about!

if the korean are closer to chinse appereance wise then logically the SEA closer to chinese than korean becoz china is further south of korea and japan.....is this make any sense to you or not?

this is so simple dude.....sad! u don't even need to read those DNA report, u can just use ur common sense.....it is clear n simple, and those DNA report proved as exactly as it is.....

people are relate to each other more bcoz their geographical locations, WHY?! BECOZ IN PREHISTORIC TIMES, they travel thru LAND, BY WALKING CAN U UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE LOGIC?!!!! NO? UNLESS U SAID THEY WERE TRAVELING BY BOAT OR AIRPLANE DURING THOSE TIME......you think so? i bet u do!!
the

look at where china is, look at her neighboring countries, look at where the korea is, that is why
Korean relate to chinese more than to SEA, SEA relate to chinese more than to the Korean, it is as simple as 1 2 3.....it is SIMPLE LOGIC, SIMPLE COMMON SENSE!!!!

how old are you? 12? or 13 yrs.....i hope you are not 20's somthing or 30's sumthing dude/dudette

bcoz u r n extraordinary idiot person, dumb as brick (it's okay it is normal for average malay guy), like i said u can not see pattern so u can't drive any conclusion of information u just read
i make a summary for you:

if people relate to each other (remember we are talking about genetic here, OKAY) you can TRACE THEM FROM:
1. THEIR LOOK, or physical appereance, if you look at 2 people that look exactly alike, they are most likely twin or brother and sister, MAKE SENSE?
2. GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION, the closer u are the more likely u relate to them, since in prehistoric times, ppl travel by land (not in modern times)
3. LANGUAGE look at chinese language n korean language and COMPARE THEM TO SEA, make sense?!
4. the last is CULTURE, now look at chinese culture, it is in japan, it is in korea, it is in vietnam (your SEA's brother) u see chinese culture is in SEA and NEA, that means chinese connected with these two, do u see korean culture in SEA? hardly! do u see Indonesian culture in korea, hardly, maybe some but most of them connected with china/chinese
5. now bcoz of the modern technology, we can do the DNA research, and most of DNA research consistent with all those above

so the conclusion is the SEA are relate less to korean than to the chinese

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 23 2011, 12:00 PM

[Rayzor]

Read again what I said. Not going to repeat myself. I already explain the YDNA thing and refute most of the thing you said. Not going to repeat myself again or copypaste from wikipedia again. We are going into one cycle.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 11:57 AM

[kieshin]

Read again what I said. Not going to repeat myself. I already explain the YDNA thing and refute most of the thing you said. Not going to repeat myself again or copypaste from wikipedia again. We are going into one cycle.

yes even your wikipedia said you are NOT RELATE MORE TO THE KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE, YOU RELATE LESS TO KOREAN THAN YOU ARE TO THE CHINESE

but

but because YOU STILL DONT GET WHAT YOU HAVE RED we are having this debate........
becasue you are dumb as brick we are arguing right now.......

do we really need a monkey trainer to explain this very simple thing to you? it is normal for average malay guy, i know but it is irritating nonetheless

now answer these question:
WHAT IS ONE THING THAT MAKE THE SEA RELATE MORE TO KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE? TELL US WHAT.....

1. not the look or physical appearance, yes u agree...people will mistook chinese as korean more than the MALAY, agreee?
2 the language? okay u can search korean language and chinese language and COMPARE THEM TO BAHASA
3. is it the CULTURE? u can look at the korean dress and compare them to chinese and INDONESIAN OR MALAYSIAN, which one closer
4. geographical location.......now....u can SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS

so tell us what is it that relate the SEA TO KOREAN? is it the hair style? the skin color? what is it? is u claim that korean is YOUR TWIN BROTHER, there must be something that you guys have in common, what is it?

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 23 2011, 12:19 PM

[Rayzor]

yes even your wikipedia said you are NOT RELATE MORE TO THE KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE, YOU RELATE LESS TO KOREAN THAN YOU ARE TO THE CHINESE

but

but because YOU STILL DONT GET WHAT YOU HAVE RED we are having this debate........
becasue you are dumb as brick we are arguing right now.......

do we really need a monkey trainer to explain this very simple thing to you? it is normal for average malay guy, i know but it is irritating nonetheless

You are the one who don't get what you read. You haven't refute it and are avoiding it. Please download this link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?aoa0h11x5c45ry3

I haven't read the entire thing yet, but on page 6, it was found that o3a3 are common among Beijing Han, Yunnan Han, Xian, Khalkh, Manchurian, Korean and Filipino. However, it is predominant found among Han Chinese. Notice that Han Chinese can hardly be categozrized under o2 group., while Vietnamese and Thai can be categorized under o2. o2*, which is siblings of o2b and o2b1 on the other hand are predominant among southeast asian like Vietnamese, Thai and Indonesian. Filipino are o1 predominant.

Please go to page 8 as well.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 12:21 PM

[kieshin]

You are the one who don't get what you read. You haven't refute it and are avoiding it. Please download this link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?aoa0h11x5c45ry3

I haven't read the entire thing yet, but on page 6, it was found that o3a3 are common among Beijing Han, Yunnan Han, Xian, Khalkh, Manchurian, Korean and Filipino. However, it is predominant found among Han Chinese. o2*, which is siblings of o2b and o2b1 on the other hand are predominant among southeast asian like Vietnamese, Thai and Indonesian. Filipino are o1 predominant.

Please go to page 8 as well.

FORGET ABOUT THE GENETIC DNA REPORT, IT IS TOOO COMPLECATED TO YOUR BRAIN! u cant drive any conclusion from what u just red....just think something that is simple

now answer these question:
WHAT IS ONE THING THAT MAKE THE SEA RELATE MORE TO KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE? TELL US WHAT.....

1. not the look or physical appearance, yes u agree...people will mistook chinese as korean more than the MALAY, agreee?
2 the language? okay u can search korean language and chinese language and COMPARE THEM TO BAHASA
3. is it the CULTURE? u can look at the korean dress and compare them to chinese and INDONESIAN OR MALAYSIAN, which one closer
4. geographical location.......now....u can SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS

so tell us what is it that relate the SEA TO KOREAN? is it the hair style? the skin color? what is it? is u claim that korean is YOUR TWIN BROTHER, there must be something that you guys have in common, what is it?

most of the genetic report CONSISTENT WITH ALL THOSE FACT if you talking about genetic relation between 2 groups of people....... forget about those scientific report let just use simple everyday ppl language, something that a CHIMP can understand it

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 23 2011, 12:25 PM

[Rayzor]

FORGET ABOUT THE GENETIC DNA REPORT, IT IS TOOO COMPLECATED TO YOUR BRAIN! u cant drive any conclusion from what u just red....just think something that is simple

now answer these question:
WHAT IS ONE THING THAT MAKE THE SEA RELATE MORE TO KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE? TELL US WHAT.....

1. not the look or physical appearance, yes u agree...people will mistook chinese as korean more than the MALAY, agreee?
2 the language? okay u can search korean language and chinese language and COMPARE THEM TO BAHASA
3. is it the CULTURE? u can look at the korean dress and compare them to chinese and INDONESIAN OR MALAYSIAN, which one closer
4. geographical location.......now....u can SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS

so tell us what is it that relate the SEA TO KOREAN? is it the hair style? the skin color? what is it? is u claim that korean is YOUR TWIN BROTHER, there must be something that you guys have in common, what is it?

Seems to me you are avoiding dodging the important detail and refuse to believe in reality. Fine with me, whatever it is that can make you happy. Anyone who have read the link I posted will think the opposite of what you think. They will definitely agree with me.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 12:28 PM

[kieshin]

Seems to me you are avoiding dodging the important detail and refuse to believe in reality. Fine with me, whatever it is that can make you happy. Anyone who have read the link I posted will think the opposite of what you think.

okey here is my final sugestion, are you still in college? even if you are not go to nearest university, ask the prof to explain to you what are those wikipedia said about DNA and their relation between korean and SEA.......or maybe u can find somone that competent to explain it to you what those wikipedia said in relation between korean genetic SEA genetic n chinese genetic.....


I GIVE UP even a chimp is wayyy smarter than you

[Rayzor]

okey here is my final sugestion, are you still in college? even if you are not go to nearest university, ask the prof to explain to you what are those wikipedia said about DNA and their relation between korean and SEA.......or maybe u can find somone that competent to explain it to you what those wikipedia said in relation between korean genetic SEA genetic n chinese genetic.....


I GIVE UP even a chimp is wayyy smarter than you

LOL! You did not even comment the link I posted. You can't even refute me. I suppose you are too stupid after all. Those link pretty much sums up everything and clarify everything I said about YDNA. Just go to page 6 and maybe page 8 if you got time. Calling other stupid when you can not refute anything does not prove anything, it just shows how ignorant you are.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 12:43 PM

[kieshin]

LOL! You did not even comment the link I posted. You can't even refute me. I suppose you are too stupid after all. Those link pretty much sums up everything and clarify everything I said. Just go to page 6 and maybe page 8 if you got time.

like I already said 1 hundred times, we CA NOT USE THOSE GENETIC REPORT it is too complicated for your brain to grasp, those letters and numbers is meaningless to your chimp brain, let just use an easy everyday people language so you at LEAST CAN GET ANY IDEAS behind those letter n number.....


most genetic report is consistent with THESE FACTS if you are talking about genetic relation between two group of people

WHAT IS ONE THING THAT MAKE THE SEA RELATE MORE TO KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE? TELL US WHAT.....

1. not the look or physical appearance, yes u agree...people will mistook chinese as korean more than the MALAY, agreee?
2 the language? okay u can search korean language and chinese language and COMPARE THEM TO BAHASA
3. is it the CULTURE? u can look at the korean dress and compare them to chinese and INDONESIAN OR MALAYSIAN, which one closer, or look at korean architecture compare them to chinese and MALAYSIAN
4. geographical location.......now....u can SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS

so tell us what is it that relate the SEA TO KOREAN? is it the hair style? the skin color? what is it? is u claim that korean is YOUR TWIN BROTHER, there must be something that you guys have in common, what is it?

WHAT IS IT THAT MAKE THE KOREAN CLOSER TO SEA THAN TO THE CHINESE GENETICALLY SPEAKING! WHAT IS IT?

is it the look? NO?!
the language? NO?
the culture? NO?!
geographical location?

if you said SEA is closer to korean than to the chinese one, then what is it that link them? what is it that they have in COMMON? tell us what?!!!

[Rayzor]

like I already said 1 hundred times, we CA NOT USE THOSE GENETIC REPORT it is too complicated for your brain to grasp, those letters and numbers is meaningless to your chimp brain, let just use an easy everyday people language so you at LEAST CAN GET ANY IDEAS behind those letter n number.....


most genetic report is consistent with THESE FACTS if you are talking about genetic relation between two group of people

WHAT IS ONE THING THAT MAKE THE SEA RELATE MORE TO KOREAN THAN TO THE CHINESE? TELL US WHAT.....

1. not the look or physical appearance, yes u agree...people will mistook chinese as korean more than the MALAY, agreee?
2 the language? okay u can search korean language and chinese language and COMPARE THEM TO BAHASA
3. is it the CULTURE? u can look at the korean dress and compare them to chinese and INDONESIAN OR MALAYSIAN, which one closer, or look at korean architecture compare them to chinese and MALAYSIAN
4. geographical location.......now....u can SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS

so tell us what is it that relate the SEA TO KOREAN? is it the hair style? the skin color? what is it? is u claim that korean is YOUR TWIN BROTHER, there must be something that you guys have in common, what is it?

WHAT IS IT THAT MAKE THE KOREAN CLOSER TO SEA THAN TO THE CHINESE GENETICALLY SPEAKING! WHAT IS IT?

is it the look? NO?!
the language? NO?
the culture? NO?!
geographical location?

if you said SEA is closer to korean than to the chinese one, then what is it that link them? what is it that they have in COMMON? tell us what?!!!

The one that link them is their YDNA. Seems to me genetic report are too complicated for you.

If you are not going to comment on the genetic report that I posted, then I'm not going to waste my time on you.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 01:10 PM

[kieshin]

The one that link them is their YDNA. Seems to me genetic report are too complicated for you.

it is not COMPLICATED FOR ME, IT IS COMPLICATED FOR YOU, YOU CAN NOT EVEN DRAW ANY CONCLUSION OF WHAT YOU HAVE JUST RED.....


every GENETIC REPORT CONSISTENT WITH THESE FACTS:

1 physical appereance, if 2 person genetically relate to each other, they will most likely look alike RIGHT? if you bump into two people that look alike you will immediately think that they are brother/sister or twins right? it is common sense right?! is this make any sense to you OR NOT?!! if we're talking about genetically closeness of two people or even two group of people this is the immediate proved.
2 language
3 CULTURE
4 GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION


if it is not CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FACT then the connection is not established...YOU NEED TO FIND SOMEONE A LOT SMARTEER THAN YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS BEHIND THOSE LETTERS AND NUMBERS (O3 M14...etc..) PLEASE SEEK SOME HELP ASAP!!

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 23 2011, 01:13 PM

[Rayzor]

it is not COMPLICATED FOR ME, IT IS COMPLICATED FOR YOU, YOU CAN NOT EVEN DRAW ANY CONCLUSION OF WHAT YOU HAVE JUST RED.....


every GENETIC REPORT CONSISTENT WITH THESE FACTS:

1 physical appereance, if 2 person genetically relate to each other, they will most likely look alike RIGHT? if you bump into two people that look alike you will immediately think that they are brother/sister or twins right? it is common sense right?! is this make any sense to you OR NOT?!! if we're talking about genetically closeness of two people or even two group of people this is the immediate proved.
2 language
3 CULTURE
4 GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION


if it is not CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FACT then the connection is not established...YOU NEED TO FIND SOMEONE A LOT SMARTEER THAN YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS BEHIND THOSE LETTERS AND NUMBERS (O3 M14...etc..) PLEASE SEEK SOME HELP ASAP!!

If it's not complicated for you, then I would like to hear your comment about the genetic result link that I just posted first. I already mention many times already that everything that I said are related to YDNA. That is the only thing I interested. You keep changing the topic.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 01:19 PM

[kieshin]

If you are not going to comment on the genetic report that I posted, then I'm not going to waste my time on you.

please do not read those genetic report on your own, have some one waaay smarter than you read it and explain it to you, u keep saying the same thing, but it seem u have no idea what u r talking about......


my last last last suggestion....find any nearest university, go to anthropology or biology department, ask to talk to the profesor or someone competent in human genetic to explain it to you.....those thing are hazardous to ur brain......please do not ....DO NOT try to read it alone, u might get brain cancer!

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 23 2011, 01:23 PM

[Rayzor]

please do not read those genetic report on your own, have some one waaay smarter than you read it and explain it to you, u keep saying the same thing, but it seem u have no idea what u r talking about......


my last last last suggestion....find any nearest university, go to anthropology or biology department, ask to talk to the profesor or someone competent in human genetic to explain it to you.....those thing are hazardous to ur brain......please do not ....DO NOT try to read it alone, u may get brain cancer!

Then explain it for me, genius.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 01:23 PM

[cosanostra]

Hi im Indonesian,i wonder why you guys obsesed being related with Korean,be proud of your own ancestor and ur identity..n lets science prove it in the end. in Indonesia i never found indonesian so crazy being related korean,chinese,Taiwan aborigine(Ami) even in chat forums like AF.
the principe is if someone give a hand for brotherhood we must appreciate it but dont ever crying n begging for brotherhood relation. that's all folks .

[kieshin]

If it's not complicated for you, then I would like to hear your comment about the genetic result link that I just posted first. I already mention many times already that everything that I said are related to YDNA. That is the only thing I interested. You keep changing the topic.

go to nearest university and ask the prof or dean to read those articles bout genetic and ask them to explain it to u and ask them what is the conclusion, in term of genetic relation between SEA, korean and chinese, who is closer to who......please last time, i hope u get ur answer

[Rayzor]

go to nearest university and ask the prof or dean to read those articles bout genetic and ask them to explain it to u and ask them what is the conclusion, in term of genetic relation between SEA, korean and chinese, who is closer to who......please last time, i hope u get ur answer

You keep calling other people stupid, so I assume you are smart. I suppose you are not really that smart yourself or maybe you refuse to accept reality.

Earlier, you try to relate Han Chinese with SEA by using o2a. However, o2a are found only on moderate frequency among Han Chinese from Sichuan, Guangdong,Guangxi and Yunnan. Some of those o2a use are referring to ethnic minority in China, not Han Chinese. This means you misinterpret. o3 on the other hand are common among ALL asians. It can be used to link all asians together. As for o2-o2a-o2b connection I talking about, as I said before, o2 who are sibling of o2b are predominant among southeast asian especially among Thai and Vietnamese. Indonesian also got a lot of o2. If you talk about YDNA alone, Korean are closer towards most southeast asian than Han Chinese.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 02:01 PM

[fivers]

of course Han Chinese must have originated from somewhere so did the SEA and the NEA, I think that originally they all shared the same ancestors migrating throughout different parts of Asia - whether or not it were the exact same type of ancestors is up to the genetic report about the YDNA as even the original group of people must have had some geographic-genetic diversity.., like Kieshin said some stayed relatively more homogenous than others...

but honestly you guys watch wayyy too many K-dramas me think cause a lot of Koreans are not pretty and all at all lol, at least not if you like slit-eyed pancake faces

[kieshin]

You keep calling other people stupid, so I assume you are smart. I suppose you are not really that smart yourself or maybe you refuse to accept reality.

Earlier, you try to relate Han Chinese with SEA by using o2a. However, o2a are found only on moderate frequency among Han Chinese from Sichuan, Guangdong,Guangxi and Yunnan. Some of those o2 use are referring to ethnic minority in China, not Han Chinese. This means you misinterpret. o3 on the other hand are common among ALL asians. It can be used to link all asians together. As for o2-o2a-o2b connection I talking about, as I said before, o2 who are sibling of o2b are predominant among southeast asian especially among Thai and Vietnamese. Indonesian also got a lot of o2.

lets not talk about those numbers and letters, your interpretation is DIFFERENT THAN MINE, no matter how many times i explain it to you you will not get it...it is like we dont see the same thing, we are not talking the same language....

let me ask you something, if someone introduce you to their son or daughter, "hey this is my son" what comes to ur mind is "wow he look exactly like you or he doesnt look like you" or wow he is handsome just like you

it is the look that immediately concern most people, because they are supposed to genetically relate to each other.....it is common sense...I m trying to explain it to u using common everyday ppl language, so u can get an idea what is it that we r talkin about.

now if u insited to use those numbers and letters
....i can not explain it to you, everything u quoted consistent with what i laready said, now go to nearest university like i told u, go find some prof/counselor or dean, or someone competent in genetic field, tell them to explain all those genetic reports/articles to you, and what is the conclusion, in term of genetic relation or closeness which is closer to which, korean, SEA n chinese.....


you need someone smarter that can talk in your language to explain all these haplogroup, dna, chromosome $hit to u..............

[Rayzor]

lets not talk about those numbers and letters, your interpretation is DIFFERENT THAN MINE, no matter how many times i explain it to you you will not get it...it is like we dont see the same thing, we are not talking the same language....

let me ask you something, if someone introduce you to their son or daughter, "hey this is my son" what comes to ur mind is "wow he look exactly like you or he doesnt look like you" or wow he is handsome just like you

it is the look that immediately concern most people, because they are supposed to genetically relate to each other.....it is common sense...I m trying to explain it to u using common everyday ppl language, so u can get an idea what is it that we r talkin about.

now if u insited to use those numbers and letters
....i can not explain it to you, everything u quoted consistent with what i laready said, now go to nearest university like i told u, go find some prof/counselor or dean, or someone competent in genetic field, tell them to explain all those genetic reports/articles to you, and what is the conclusion, in term of genetic relation or closeness which is closer to which, korean, SEA n chinese.....


you need someone smarter that can talk in your language to explain all these haplogroup, dna, chromosome $hit to u..............

Not at all. Everything I quoted are not consistent with what you saying. Instead, it is more accurate to say you misunderstood/misterpret them.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 23 2011, 02:14 PM