I'm getting sick of esl faggot expats Options

[hapkido1996]

why dont you? You are some kind of kung fu master thats too powerful to use his skills or something? Thats as self aggrandising as your belief that you are somehow "different". Nothing new here.

Cool. Where shall we start? With the concept of race? The evolutionary origins of xenophobia? The ethics of spreading divisive ideologies? The argumentum ad hominem and hasty generalization fallacies in your previous posts? Your choice!

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[MiGsOverF]

Cool. Where shall we start? With the concept of race? The evolutionary origins of xenophobia? The ethics of spreading divisive ideologies? Your choice!

Start where ever you feel is appropriate. Just make sure you address the issue in context. You know? Don't go into the exam and rewrite the textbook.

[hapkido1996]

Start where ever you feel is appropriate. Just make sure you address the issue in context. You know? Don't go into the exam and rewrite the textbook.

First, then, we need to define the issue, so as to avoid miscommunication. What is it as you see it? Racism? Nationaligion? Isolationism? Genetic variation among geopolitical populations? Logic itself? Epistemology? The limitations of inferential conclusions? Something different? You name it. Let's play!

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[MiGsOverF]

First, then, we need to define the issue, so as to avoid miscommunication. What is it as you see it? Racism? Nationaligion? Isolationism? Genetic variation among geopolitical populations? Logic itself? Epistemology? The limitations of inferential conclusions? Something different? You name it. Let's play!

None of those words mean anything without context.

In a nuthshell. This world is a white mans empire.

[hapkido1996]

Oh why I don't mind if I do Sir Hapkido the 3rd of Puddington Lane.

Empty rhetoric and argumentum ad hominem.

Oh, well that sounds remakrably gentlemanly of you. Yes one should always apologise online because it is prim and proper and becoming of all gentlemen with manners. Would you like a cup oif tea Sir Hapkido the 3rd of arts major puddington lane?

More of the above. Sarcasm in lieu of rational support for a premise. Smoke screen. Red herring.

No one mentioned the term "race". The term used was identity. It's almost as if you are putting words in my mouth to try and tear them down lol.

What you're trying to accuse me of is a "strawman argument," though you seem to be ignorant of the terminology. But it is a non sequitur. The question was specifically about whether the "100% corean" label was intended as a racial or national identity. Obfuscation, smoke screen, red herring.

Whether bragging about race or nationality by Europeans attracts no attitude to take swipes.

Ungrammatical sentence. Unsuccessful communication. Please reword and try again.

[hapkido1996]

Not only that but the english are a race.

I'm sure that there are a lot of indigenous peoples of the British Isles who would take objection to being identified racially with other peoples there. Please defend this statement with some scholarship. It is a bold assertion as it stands.

Im British by birth, English by the grace of God.
http://www.bartleby.com/5/204.html

Non sequitur. This is not support for a racial identity claim; it is an example of racial arrogance and bigotry.

Not only that but the concept of a nationality is not as black and white as if race does not play a part. For instance an asian America is not really considered an American. His race is Asian but his nationality might be begrudglingly considered American as a mere technicality. As such there are degrees of what a real American is. As such concepts like who is really of X nationality is determined to a degree by race and they are treated by that nation accordingly or do you believe everyone is treated the same lol. Which just goes back to my original point that calling yourself 100% Korean is much like making sure you are viewed in that "safe" typical range as to what would be considered an American which includes the racial element.

The only "pure" Americans are the Native Americans. The rest of us are hybrids. Immigration and naturalization are elements of the law. You're perception of "begrudglingly" (sic) is not a statement of fact, but merely a subjective opinion. In the same vein, the fact that everyone isn't treated the same is unrelated to one's legal status as a citizen. People aren't treated the same anywhere, Korea included. Irrelevant argument. Emotional appeal. Fallacious.

As far as apologising Oh!!!! well that sounds remakrably gentlemanly of you. Yes one should always apologise online because it is prim and proper and becoming of all gentlemen with manners. Would you like a cup oif tea Sir Hapkido the 3rd of arts major, puddington lane?

Adolescent sarcasm in lieu of rational support for a premis, covered above, the first time you said it.

Who keep it Korean by spreading what false information. By what xenophobia. By what hate.

You and all the other haters on the Internet. The false information that Koreans are a genetically unique and "pure" race, and that foreigners are inferior barbarians who should be banned from the peninsula. If that's not arrogance, xenophobia and hate, what is? It doesn't matter if other races and nationalities partake of the same logical errors and ignorance; if you partake of it you are no different from or better than they. Sieg hiel.

Well no one likes to hang out with b!tchers and whiners especially when the female your sleeping with happens to be born from Korean parents.

To the contrary. b!tchers and whiners like to hang out with each other. Misery loves company. Many of the b!tchers and whiners I spoke of have Korean wives or girlfriends, yet they're still too arrogant and lazy to learn the freakin' language and customs of the country they chose to live in.

Your views support the status quo with a tokenistic "ooooh I undersand". It makes you feel like the nice guy while riding the benefits. Win-win situation. That is simply what i have observed and assessed.

This is the conclusion you have hastily jumped to without sufficient empirical data to support it. You have practically no information about me, yet you hastily categorize me according to your preferred, over-simplified, racist, xenophobic agenda. You have not "observed and assessed" anything but your own prejudice and hatefulness.

I duno. Ill have to get back to you on that one.

I won't hold my breath.

[hapkido1996]

None of those words mean anything without context.

No joke. Hence the question marks.

In a nuthshell. This world is a white mans empire.

Ah. Good. A position statement. Now, do you have any support for the alleged connection between white skin and the influence of Western economics and politics on the world? Upon what empirical data do you base this conclusion? On American hegemony? America? With its black president?

This post has been edited by hapkido1996: Sep 11 2011, 06:00 AM

[doggyji]

Spearman is having fun lol

[hapkido1996]

Spearman is having fun lol

I don't think MiGsOverF is enjoying it quite so much. S/he's pretty slow about responding.

[hapkido1996]

[/size]"A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race -- and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin."
excerpts from
"Racism"
by Ayn Rand

(An article published in the September, 1963 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter
and included as a chapter in the book, The Virtue of Selfishness )

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[size="3"]Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man's genetic lineage -- the notion that a man's intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man's mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man's convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical forces beyond his control. This is the caveman's version of the doctrine of innate ideas -- or of inherited knowledge -- which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of anmials, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man's life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.

The respectable family that supports worthless relatives or covers up their crimes in order to "protect the family name" (as if the moral stature of one man could be damaged by the actions of another) -- the bum who boasts that his great-grandfather was an empire-builder, or the small-town spinster who boasts that her maternal great-uncle was a state senator and her third-cousin gave a concert at Carnegie Hall (as if the achievements of one man could rub off on the mediocrity of another) -- the parents who search genealogical trees in order to evaluate their prospective sons-in-law -- the celebrity who starts his autobiography with a detailed account of his family history -- all these are samples of racism, the atavvistic manifestations of a doctrine whose full expression is the tribal warfare of prehistorical savages, the wholesale slaughter of Nazi Germany, the atrocities of today's so-called "newly-emerging nations."

The theory that holds "good blood" and "bad blood" as a moral-intellectual criterion, can lead to nothing but torrents of blood in practice. Brute force is the only avenue of action open to men who regard themselves as mindless aggregates of chemicals.

Modern racists attempt to prove the superiority or inferiority of a given race by the historical achievements of some of its members. The frequent historical spectacle of a great innovator who, in his lifetime, is jeered, denounced, obstructed, persecuted by his countrymen, and then, a few years after his death, is enshrined in a national monument and hailed as a proof of greatness of the German (or French or Italian or Cambodian) race -- is as revolting a spectacle of collectivist expropriation, perpetrated by racists, as any expropriation of material wealth perpetrated by communists.

Just as there is no such thing as a collective or racial mind, so there is no such thing as a collective or racial achievement. There are only individual minds and individual achievements -- and a culture is not the anonymous product of undifferentiated masses, but the sum of the intellectual achievements of individual men.

Even if it were proved -- which it is not -- that the incidence of men of potentially superior brain power is greater among the members of certain races than among the members of others, it would still tell us nothing about any given individual and it would be irrelevant to one's judgment of him. A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race -- and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin. It is hard to say which is the more outrageous injustice: the claim of Southern racists that a Negro genius should be treated as inferior because his race has "produced" some brutes -- or the claim of a German brute to the status of a superior because his race has "produced" Goethe, Schiller and Brahms.

These are not two different claims, of course, but two applications of the same basic premise. The question of whether one alleges the superiority or the inferiority of any given race is irrelevant; racism has only one psychological root: the racist's sense of his own inferiority.

Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowlege -- for an automatic evaluation of men's characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment -- and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem).

To ascribe one's virtues to one's racial origin, is to confess that one has no knowledge of the process by which virtues are acquired and, most often, that one has failed to acquire them. The overwhelming majority of racists are men who have earned no sense of personal identity, who can claim no individual achievement or distinction, and who seek the illusion of a "tribal self-esteem" by alleging the inferiority of some other tribe. Observe the hysterical intensity of the Southern racists; observe also that racism is much more prevalent among the poor white trash than among their intellectual betters.

Historically, racism has always risen or fallen with the rise or fall of collectivism. Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group (to "society," to the tribe, the state, the nation) and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force -- and statism has always been the poltical corollary of collectivism.

The absolute state is merely an institutionalized form of gang rule, regardless of which particular gang seizes power. And -- since there is no rational justification for such rule, since none has ever been or can ever be offered -- the mystique of racism is a crucial elemeent in every variant of the absolute state. The relationship is reciprocal: statism rises out of prehistorical tribal warfare, out of the notion that the men of one tribe are the natural prey for the men of another -- and establishes its own internal sub-categories of racism, a system of castes determined by a man's birth, such as inherited titles of nobility or inherited serfdom.

The racism of Nazi Germany -- where men had to fill questionnaires about their ancestry for generations back, in order to prove their "Aryan" descent -- has its counterpart in Soviet Russia, where men had to fill similar questionnaires to show that their ancestors had owned no property and thus to prove their "proletarian" descent. The Soviet ideology rest on the notion that men can be conditioned to communism genetically -- that is, that a few generations conditionned by dictatorship will transmit communist ideology to their descendants, who will be communists at birth. The persecution of racial minorities in Soviet Russia, according to the racial descent and whim of any given commissar, is a matter of record; anti-semitism is particularly prevalent -- only the official pogroms are now called "political purges."

There is only one antidote to racism: the philosophy of individualism and its politico-economic corollary, laissez-faire capitalism.

Individualism regards man -- every man -- as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful co-existence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights -- and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members. (See my articles "Man's Rights" and "Collectivized 'Rights'" in the April and June, 1963, issues of this NEWSLETTER [or Chapters 12 and 13 of the book].)

It is not a man's ancestors or relatives or genes or body chemistry that count in a free market, but only one human attribute: productive ability. It is by his own individual ability and ambition that capitalism judges a man and rewards him accordingly.

No political system can establish universal rationality by law (or by force). But capitalism is the only system that functions in a way which rewards rationality and penalizes all forms of irrationality, including racism.

A fully free, capitalist system has not yet existed anywhere. But what is enormously significant is the correlation of racism and political controls in the semi-free economies of the 19th century. Racial and/or religious persecutions of minorities stood in inverse ratio to the degree of a country's freedom. Racism was strongest in the more controlled economies, such as Russia and Germany -- and weakest in England, the then freest country of Europe.

It is capitalism that gave mankind its first steps toward freedom and a rational way of life. It is capitalism that broke through national and racial barriers, by means of free trade. It is capitalism that abolished serfdom and slavery in all the civilized countries of the world. It is the capitalist North that destroyed the slavery of the agrarian-feudal South in the United States.

Such was the trend of mankind for the brief span of some hundred and fifty years. The spectacular results and achievements of that trend need no restatement here.

The rise of collectivism reversed that trend.

When men began to be indoctrinated once more with the notion that the individual possesses no rights, that supremacy, moral authority and unlimited power belong to the group, and that a man has no significance outside his group -- the inevitable consequence was that men bbegan to gravitate toward some group or another, in self-protection, in bewilderment and in subconscious terror. The simplest collective to join, the easiest one to identify -- particularly for people of limited intellligence -- the least demanding form of "belonging" and of "togetherness" is: race.

It is thus that the theoreticians of collectivism, the "humanitarian" advocates of a "benevolent" absolute state, have led to the rebirth and the new, virulent growth of racism in the 20th century.

In its great era of capitalism, the United States was the freest country on earth -- and the best refutation of racist theories. Men of all races came here, some from obscure, culturally undistinguished countries, and accomplished feats of productive ability which would have remained stillborn in their control-ridden native lands. Men of racial groups that had been slaughtering one another for centuries, learned to live together in harmony and peaceful cooperation. America had been called "the melting pot," with good reason. But few people realized that America did not melt men into the gray conformity of a collective: she united them by means of protecting their right to individuality.

The major victims of such race prejudice as did exist in America were the Negroes. It was a problem originated and perpetuated by the non-capitalist South, though not confined to its boundaries. The persecution of Negroes in the South was and is truly disgraceful. But in the rest of the country, so long as men were free, even that problem was slowly giving way under the pressure of enlightenment and of the white men's own economic interests.

Today, that problem is growing worse -- and so is every form of racism. America has become race-conscious in a manner reminiscent of the worst days in the most backward countries of 19th century Europe. The cause is the same: the growth of collectivism and statism.

[ ... ]

The existence of such pressure groups and of their political lobbies is openly and cynically acknowledged today. The pretense at any political philosophy, any principles, ideals or long-range goals is fast disappearing from our scene -- and it is all but admitted that this country is now floating without direction, at the mercy of a blind, short-range power-game played by various statist gangs, each intent on getting hold of a legislative gun for any special advantage of the immediate moment.

In the absence of any coherent political philosophy, every economic group has been acting as its own destroyer, selling out its future for some momentary privilege. The policy of the businessmen has, for some time, been the most suicidal one in this respect. But it has been surpassed by the current policy of the Negro leaders.

So long as the Negro leaders were fighting against government-enforced discrimination -- right, justice and morality were on their side. But that is not what they are fighting any longer. The confusions and contradictions surrounding the issue of racism have now reached an incredible climax.

It is time to clarify the principles involved.

The policy of the Southern states toward Negroes was and is a shameful contradiction of this country's basic principles. Racial discrimination, imposed and enforced by law, is so blatantly inexcusable an infringement of individual rights that the racist statutes of the South should have been declared unconstitutional long ago.

The Southern racists' claim of "states' rights" is a contradiction in terms: there can be no such thing as the "right" of some men to violate the rights of others. The constitutional concept of "states' rights" pertains to the division of power between local and national authorities, and serves to protect the states from the Federal government; it does not grant to a state government an unlimited, arbitrary power over its citizens or the privilege of abrogating the citizens' individual rights.

It is true that the Federal government has used the racial issue to enlarge its own power and to set a precedent of encroachment upon the legitimate rights of the states, in an unnecessary and unconstitutional manner. But this merely means that both governments are wrong; it does not excuse the policy of the Southern racists.

One of the worst contradictions, in this context, is the stand of many so-called "conservatives" (not confined exclusively to the South) who claim to be defenders of freedom, of capitalism, of property rights, of the Constitution, yet who advocate racism at the same time. They do not seem to possess enough concern with principles to realize tht they are cutting the ground from under their own feet. Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any rights whatsoever. It is such alleged champions of capitalism who are helping to discredit and destroy it.

The "liberals" are guilty of the same contradiction, but in a different form. They advocate the sacrifice of all individual rights to unlimited majority rule -- yet posture as defenders of the rights of minorities. But the smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

This accumulation of contradictions, of short-sighted pragmatism, of cynical contempt for principles, of outrageous irrationality, has now reached its climax in the new demands of the Negro leaders.

Instead of fighting against racial discrimination, they are demanding that racial discrimination be legalized and enforced. Instead of fighting against racism, they are demanding the establishment of racial quotas. Instead of fighting for "color-blindness" in social and economic issues, they are proclaiming that "color-blindness" is evil and that "color" should be made a primary consideration. Instead of fighting for equal rights, they are demanding special race privileges.

[ ... ]

Racial quotas have been one of the worst evils of racist regimes. There were racial quotas in the universities of Czarist Russia, in the population of Russia's major cities, etc. One of the accusations against the racists in this country is that some schools practice a secret system of racial quotas. It was regarded as a victory for justice when employment questionnaires ceased to inquire about an applicant's race or religion.

Today, it is not an oppressor, but an oppressed minority that is demanding the establishment of racial quotas. (!)

[ ... ]

It does not merely demand special privileges on racial grounds -- it demands that white men be penalized for the sins of their ancestors. It demands that a white laborer be refused a job because his grandfather may have practiced racial discrimination. But perhaps his grandfather had not practiced it. Or perhaps his grandfather had not even lived in this country. Since these questions are not to be considered, it means that that white laborer is to be charged with collective racial guilt, the guilt consisting merely of the color of his skin.

But that is the principle of the worst Southern racist who charges all Negroes with collective racial guilt for any crime committed by an individual Negro, and who treats them all as inferiors on the ground that their ancestors were savages.

The only comment one can make about demands of that kind is, "By what right? -- By what code? -- By what standard?"

That absurdly evil policy is destroying the moral base of the Negroes' fight. Their case rested on the principle of individual rights. If they demand the violation of the rights of others, they negate and forfeit their own. Then the same answer applies to them as to the Southern racists: there can be no such thing as a "right" of some men to violate the rights of others.

[ ... ]

No man, neither Negro nor white, has any claim to the property of another man. A man's rights are not violated by a private individual's refusal to deal with him. Racism is an evil, irrational and morally contemptible doctrine -- but doctrines cannot be forbidden or prescribed by law. Just as we have to protect a communist's freedom of speech, even though his doctrines are evil, so we have to protect a racist's right to the use and disposal of his own property. Private racism is not a legal, but a moral issue -- and can be fought only by private means, such as economic boycott or social ostracism.

[ ... ]

It is an ironic demonstration of the philosophical insanity and the consequently suicidal trend of our age, that the men who need the protection of individual rights most urgently -- the Negroes -- are now in the vanguard of the destruction of these rights.

[ ... ]

In conclusion, I shall quote from an astonishing editorial in The N. Y. Times of August 4 [1963] -- astonishing because ideas of this nature are not typical of our age:
"But the question must be not whether a group recognizable in color, features or culture has its rights as a group. No, the question is whether any American individual, regardless of color, features or culture, is deprived of his rights as an American. If the individual has all the rights and privileges due him under the laws and the Constitution, we need not worry about groups and masses -- those do not, in fact, exist, except as figures of speech."




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The Virtue of Selfishness is available HERE.
"I'm not generally proud to be British. It strikes me as absurd either to claim some sort of credit for an accident of birth, or to assume that the culture one is brought up in is ipso facto the best available to anyone. Nation is usually alien. I've said it before and I'll say it again: when someone says 'we', I feel like a 'them'." -- Guy Herbert
"The crude primitivism of supposedly respectable establishments to engage in 'reverse discrimination' or 'affirmative action' in order to allegedly 'make up for' the sins of people other than those they actually wind up 'punishing' for them, is racism squared, or moral depravity at its worst. It says, in effect, not only that 'two wrongs make a right,' but that racism is okay so long as it's 'our' racism. It is really an acknowledgment that, even if they tried, they wouldn't know how to internalize and institutionalize pure character-consciousness or merit-consciousness, let alone how to demonstrate to the world that it can be done. It is an abject admission of their guilt, real or imagined, and a hope that you, by your silence, share in it, or at least, tacitly condone it." -- Rick Gaber
"The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause." -- Eric Hoffer
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["Du bist nichts, dein Volk ist alles" ("You are
nothing, your race is everything.") -- Adolf Hitler]

"... So here we get the two essentials of Nazism: the rejection of reason and the mind in favor of the worship of brute emotion, and the elevation of the collective over the individual. What, then, distinguishes the ideas of the modern intellectuals from the philosophy of the Nazis? The addition of an altruist twist. The Nazis were certainly pro-self-sacrifice, because they advocated (and enforced) the sacrifice of the individual self to the collective aggrandizement of the race. But the modern intellectuals declare that they are even more altruistic because they want to sacrifice our own race to other races." -- Robert Tracinski, HERE
"If anyone insists that racism is valid, that the content of one's mind is frozen in place by the circumstances of his birth, then the only appropriate response is to say, 'Speak for yourself, buddy. Unless you're some sort of non-human, you must be speaking for yourself, and since you must regard those thoughts you just uttered as predetermined by your ancestors, you therefore couldn't possibly know or care if they're true or not just like a mindless robot programmed to make noises. Therefore, no one should take what you say any more seriously than robot noises, since your denying the human ability to do independent thinking and discriminate truth from falsehood means only that you have denied it for yourself. So I will take your word for it, and ignore you. As for me, I have found to be untrue many things my parents and ancestors believed, and I had no trouble rejecting those things. So at least I know damn well -- and from first-hand personal experience -- that human beings most certainly are capable of doing that.' " -- Rick Gaber
"The core of racism is the notion that the individual is meaningless and that membership in the collective -- the race -- is the source of his identity and value. ... The notion of 'diversity' entails exactly the same premises as racism -- that one's ideas are determined by one's race and that the source of an individual's identity is his ethnic heritage." -- Peter Schwartz in "The Racism of 'Diversity'," HERE
"Frankly, I'd be insulted if I were told the reason I was being hired was because of my ancestry. I would much rather work for someone like T.J. Rodgers, who is known to take time during meetings to tell his staff (which originated from almost every continent in the world) that they're there because they're the best at what they do, not because of whoever their ancestors were." -- Rick Gaber
"Money dissolves skin colour on contact. The fact that Silicon Valley, the freest market in the world, has produced the United Colours of Geek proves it." -- Dan Gardner
"Racism is a variant of collectivism, the doctrine that the individual is valueless [except] as an appendage of a group. One's 'race' is an evaluation based on nonessential attributes ... such as the dimensions of facial/physical features and the wavelengths of light reflected by pigmentation." -- Gregory Gerig (emphasis added)
"The HUMAN 'race' has been in existence in its present form in only an infinitesimal amount of time, evolutionarily speaking. . Nonetheless, if everyone could trace his family tree back 70,000 years, let alone 700,000, he will find that the skin colors of his ancestors changed ten or twenty times, probably including every hue and tint you can imagine over and over again. Likewise for every variation of facial and body type. Therefore, other than the distinction between Cro-Magnon Man and the recently-extinct Neanderthal Man, there is no such thing as race. There are certainly such things as vastly different cultures, most manifesting dramatically distinct lifestyles and opportunities (or lack of such) for growth, advancement, fulfillment and happiness, but race? A thoroughly counter-productive, let alone unrealistic, concept." -- Rick Gaber
"People often get racism mixed up with bigotry or prejudice. We need to get our terminology straightened out. We obviously have racial problems that need solving. The first step in solving a problem is to identify it. If we keep mis-identifying bigotry and prejudice as racism we’ll never make any headway" -- Neal Boortz, here
"You CAN NOT judge previous generations by today's standards. Today Mark Twain is called by many, a racist. By the standards of his time, he was a social liberal. Even Teddy Roosevelt was a social liberal at the time, but he accepted as fact that idea that Caucasians were inherently superior to all other races. That makes him a racist in the CORRECT definition of the term." -- Neal Boortz, here

"Racism is a belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another." -- Neal Boortz, here
Bigotry: definitions here: # 1: the state of mind of a bigot # 2: acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot
Bigot: definition # 1 here : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
Prejudice: definition # 2 a (1) here: preconceived judgment or opinion
Prejudice, n. A vagrant opinion without visible means of support. (Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary, c. 1911)
Discrimination: definition # 3 here : Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." -- Mark Twain
“I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” -- Martin Luther King
"You cannot cure racism with more racism." -- Edwin A. Locke, here

[hapkido1996]

Still no response, MiGsOverF? A little over your head, maybe? OK, let me simplify it for you: If you embrace/promote the racist agenda, you're admitting that you, as an individual, are inept, inferior and incapable of affecting the world on your own. Without your whole race behind you, you are nothing.

This is disproved by innumerable of instances in which individuals, without the support of their racial/ethnic/national peers. However, only one example is sufficient to disprove a generalization. My example is Einstein, who rejected the conventional theology of his ancestry, as well as the nationalism of his birthright. He got support from neither, and nevertheless attained the highest of intellectual accomplishments. How? Simply by virtue of being a human being with a human brain. Nationality and race were absolutely irrelevant to his genius. And yet racists continue to mindlessly peddle racial bigotry and divisiveness as if it were gospel. Well, it's not gospel, it's narrow-minded, adolescent idiocy and ignorance. The next Einstein may as well be Korean as Mexican or Rumanian. To deny that is to deny reality as it stares you in the face.

[Sharky]

There it is. Hapkido really did show it. And doggyi goes "whaaa?" No wonder korea is in a mess.

[Sharky]

As to the op koreans have become pussified and dumbasses. I guess its the result of spending years in hagwons. Now they're only good for being pinching bags. Punching bag koreans, they'll be known as.

This post has been edited by Sharky: Sep 11 2011, 01:44 PM

[ruKiddingme]

Korea's esl qualifications are too low and it allows more low class scumbags into the country. Over at ucla, anyone without a college degree but with college credit can take one quarter and basically go to korea to teach. sad...

the issue here is most definitely race, nation and neocolonialism. If you want to merely cry, 'Oh! thats being racist!' is simply ridiculous. These aspects exist and are discussed at universities. Here on this forum we are examining the social extension of these ideological and geopolitical reverberations.

I'd like to point out there is a misunderstanding in the general populace about genetic diversity. Biochemists will tell you that genetic diversity is not best preserved by interbreed/mixing but rather protecting and taking care to preserve the original state.
In recent year and increasingly, in both animal,plant and human species, there is a loss of genetic diversity.

'Genetic diversity is mother nature's way of ensuring that a species can survive in a multitude of environments. By having differences within a population, creatures are able to overcome difficulties and survive as a whole. Those creatures that cannot meet this requirement usually fall to some blight.

In the modern human era, more than ever before, people are mixing their genes with one another. No longer are we cut off from each other by the vast distances of the Earth, nor do we continue to divide ourselves within society as we once did. Granted this is just a generalization, I do realize that some societies still do try to keep their genetics pure. With this new mingling of peoples across the world we see a decline in certain physical traits.'


'Why then in the modern era by mixing with multiple groups of people are certain genetic traits, that have existed for ages, suddenly declining?
Certain genes are recessive, and can get shoved aside by more dominant ones. By mingling with different groups of people, whole populations are now having their genes suppressed by more dominant ones that were never seen within their region of the world before.'


So if we are to give an example of a gene mixing i.e. half asian half white mixing, you wouldnt have more diversity happening. you are seeing one gene dominate and wipe out another. You can see this happening in plant and animal species easily.

==Issues of Biodiversity==

Biodiversity includes not only the variety of species of plants and animals (species diversity), but also the variety of genes contained in all individual organisms (genetic diversity), and the variety of habitats, biological communities, and ecological processes (ecosystem diversity).

In fact, given the interdependence of the Earth's living organisms, ecosystems, and biological processes, without biodiversity, life on Earth would become extinct.
Unfortunately, the Earth is currently experiencing a rapid loss of biodiversity.


The problem that ends up happening can be seen in farming, vegetable and cattle practices.
If you watch any of the readily available documentaries on biodiversity, food, animal planet etc
They first introduce a different species to group A in order to capitalizetheir profits.
It works. They get more vegetables, more crop, more cattle milk, meat etc

Later they find out that their new intermixed breeds are vulnerable to disease after they wiped out some really important original breeds. Scientists see this intermixing and breeding that occured too much in plant and animal species as detrimental and dangerous to the future of mankind and genetic diversity. Would you really think that humans are any differnet?

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In farming,

But this historic achievement has exacted a price: while the new crops are vastly more productive than traditional varieties, they are also much more vulnerable to catastrophic destruction by insects, fungi, bacteria and viruses. Genetically uniform crop strains have been adopted across wide stretches of the earth. As a result, pests or diseases that used to be local problems can race across nations and continents, cutting a destructive swath through the world's food production.
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basically, genetic diversity IS NOT preserved and perpetuated by interbreeding but by careful preservation. They are doing this with crops and cattle now.
You can ask your local university biochemist on gene diversity this simple question:

Is genetic diversity best perpetuated by interbreeding or by careful preservation?

Not to mince words because truth is harsh at times but if human beings are anything like
plant and animal species ,
the first few generations of intermixed groups are physically dominant and intellectally smart but later will decline and be vulnerable to more disease and inability to adapt.

Regardless of your personal affronts on race topics, it is a fact that genetic diversity is NOT perpetuated by interbreeding but by careful perservation. Please research biochemistry and talk to your local college professor on this matter to enlighten yourselves.

There was a gentleman named Chan-Ho Ive read somewhere mention everyone intermixing to create diversity. This is WRONG.
Hapkido, if racial and geopolitical conversations offend you, perhaps your philosophy degree would do better with you under a Bodhi tree rather than discussing neocolonial matters. Even a basic political science major, you are not and your long
cut and paste attempt is just sad.

As far as why this pertains to people like this?
http://thegrandnarrative.com/2008/12/10/wh...in-south-korea/

lovely esl teachers that come into Korea,marry a dumb korean girl that thinks shes being LIBERATED SEXUALLY AND SOCIALLY BY THE WHITE MAN, and writes lovely blogs putting Koreans under the petri dish. If you dont see the inherent RUDENESS, you are blind and his wife might as well be your sister.

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i wont comment too much. i'll just say this:

the interaction between Europeans and Koreans in Korea is not an equal interaction.

[KaptainAmeriKa]

i wont comment too much. i'll just say this:

the interaction between Europeans and Koreans in Korea is not an equal interaction.

You think it's fair in America?

[Joseon]

Korea's esl qualifications are too low and it allows more low class scumbags into the country. Over at ucla, anyone without a college degree but with college credit can take one quarter and basically go to korea to teach. sad...

the issue here is most definitely race, nation and neocolonialism. If you want to merely cry, 'Oh! thats being racist!' is simply ridiculous. These aspects exist and are discussed at universities. Here on this forum we are examining the social extension of these ideological and geopolitical reverberations.

I'd like to point out there is a misunderstanding in the general populace about genetic diversity. Biochemists will tell you that genetic diversity is not best preserved by interbreed/mixing but rather protecting and taking care to preserve the original state.
In recent year and increasingly, in both animal,plant and human species, there is a loss of genetic diversity.

Of course that is true. Diversity is created through segregation, or isolation of species for a long period of time.

We are slowly reversing hundreds of thousands of year of evolutionary history and adaptations of the humanoid race.

I think it's quite sad to see this, but there is nothing I can do, or you guys can do for that matter to change it. the only thing you guys can control is yourself. I am glad I married a Korean wife. If I have children, I won't allow my chidren to marry outsiders. That is plain and simply clear.

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You think it's fair in America?

hell no.

[iLikeMiGsDoYouQu...]

Why, good day to you Sir Hapkido the third of arts major pudding ton lane. Splendid day today wouldn't you say? I must say your top hat and side burns are looking very smashing today.

I'm sure that there are a lot of indigenous peoples of the British Isles who would take objection to being identified racially with other peoples there. Please defend this statement with some scholarship. It is a bold assertion as it stands.

Well if it's one thing about bold assertions and boldness coming from me Sir Hapkido the third of arts major puddington lane is that I am a man of bold instincts and warriorness. So you shall see many a heroic charges and heroic feats of heroness shall be mounted by me.

Non sequitur. This is not support for a racial identity claim; it is an example of racial arrogance and bigotry.

I agree with you Sir Hapkido the third of arts major puddington lane. It was an example of racial arrogance and bigorty that managed to do this without having a foundation of racial identity. Who do these articles think they are? Magicians? I scoff at such magic. Let us shake our fists towards these articles and imbue them with all our scorn as much we can. Scorn them with me Sir Hapkido the third of arts major puddington lane.

The only "pure" Americans are the Native Americans. The rest of us are hybrids. Immigration and naturalization are elements of the law. You're perception of "begrudglingly" (sic) is not a statement of fact, but merely a subjective opinion. In the same vein, the fact that everyone isn't treated the same is unrelated to one's legal status as a citizen. People aren't treated the same anywhere, Korea included. Irrelevant argument. Emotional appeal. Fallacious.

Well your attempt to talk about native Americans as pure americans just shows you avoiding the issue. But I get it, I really do. You focus on race as your argument and try to say pure races dont matter therefore we the conquerors and assimilators arnt doing anything that you should object to when we change everything around you. Hm yes, the Native Americans are so pure that changing them gentically was merely that, changing them genetically. lol. I can see how this would go down with your Korean female that you sleep with. You do the same thing every white guy does and say Race doesnt matter *Captain Canada to the rescueeee!

Then the dumb whore goes in her Kolean accent "hmmm yeseh, racism no good, racism isa bad. Me sucky sucky becozeh racism if I dong do it and it iseh no shame..ho. Me love you loung time!!!!!".

Adolescent sarcasm in lieu of rational support for a premis, covered above, the first time you said it.

Affirmative, affirmative. Doctor Spock please power the phase prisms. We are entering warp 5!

You and all the other haters on the Internet. The false information that Koreans are a genetically unique and "pure" race, and that foreigners are inferior barbarians who should be banned from the peninsula. If that's not arrogance, xenophobia and hate, what is? It doesn't matter if other races and nationalities partake of the same logical errors and ignorance; if you partake of it you are no different from or better than they. Sieg hiel.

if Koreans consider themselves pure or unique whats it to you? Koreans are genetecally unique and have been pure for a long time and if thats not how you see it but how we see it whats it to you? In light of what you understand to be western arrogance in the gerenal culture whether it is in the west or whether it brings it smug little home in South Korea you dont even defend Koreans defending against that culture which is imposed on us that considers us the wests play things. Instead you bring some stupid fu-king hysterical lefty view that also manages to disparage the Korean identity while claiming to be sooo enlightneed. Your just another white $hit bag like Captain Canada that thinks his rightous, defends western interest and power in Korea and then has the nerve to behave like your in the right. lol.

Then the dumb whore goes in her Kolean accent "hmmm yeseh, racism no good, racism isa bad. Me sucky sucky becozeh racism if I dong do it and it iseh no shame..ho. Me love you loung time!!!!!"

To the contrary. b!tchers and whiners like to hang out with each other. Misery loves company. Many of the b!tchers and whiners I spoke of have Korean wives or girlfriends, yet they're still too arrogant and lazy to learn the freakin' language and customs of the country they chose to live in.

Well that shows what whores those Korean females are doesnt it? Dont you agree? They are literally cum dumpsters and their offspring are never Korean. They are whoreseed.

This is the conclusion you have hastily jumped to without sufficient empirical data to support it. You have practically no information about me, yet you hastily categorize me according to your preferred, over-simplified, racist, xenophobic agenda. You have not "observed and assessed" anything but your own prejudice and hatefulness.

Intruder alert, intruder alert! Exterminate! Exterminate! Scotty power the phase prisms! Warp 5!!!!

I won't hold my breath.

Why not?

[iLikeMiGsDoYouQu...]

[size=3][/size]"A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race -- and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin."
excerpts from
"Racism"
by Ayn Rand

(An article published in the September, 1963 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter
and included as a chapter in the book, The Virtue of Selfishness )

Like I thought. Rewriting the textbook missing the issue on the exam paper.

This is not so much about race as it is about western power and influence. You obviously know that because you enjoy it. Ooooh but we know you like to paint yourself as somehow a benevolent westerner who looks out for Koreans and respects them awwwwwww. lol.

We're discussing the domination of one species by another and you say well its ok because the two species are both the same and then go into genetics. Nothing to do with the issue. Total fail.

But as i said before I understand you probably have relied on this We are all the same arguement to convince a lot of Korean whores to date you. THen those braindead whores say "racism bad". The racism of Koreans also has nothing to do with NAZI's. If you know Korea so well youd know the nature of Korean racism, to paint it as if its the same as NAZIs just shows how ungenuine you are and your own agenda. That is much like Captain Coreas oh good white friend.