Hmong internationali marriage Options

[reutty]

Do alot of hmong marry hmong abroad like in china or laos, and bring them back to the USA?

If every single hmong, instead of just marrying inside the hmong community inside the USA, married a hmong foreigner from southern china, laos, or vietnam, and then applied them for citizenship for family reunification, you can double the hmong population. Along with a high birthrate that will like triple the amount of hmong.

and technically its not marriage fraud, fraud is only when one person marries another person just to give them citizenship, and then divorce.

if the marriage is for real they can't charge you guys for fraud, you can just say that "its fashionable to bring back spouses from our homeland".

[souphounavong]

^ Why do you want the Hmong population to enlarge itself? I see it as counterproductive because it is still a fact that majority of the first generation Hmong are still living in poverty.

Despite the small Hmong numbers in the US, i don't see it beneficial to marry from abroad under any circumstance.

Many of the first generation Hmong still go back to Laos and Thailand for brides but not Vietnam nor China.

[txoomsuab2]

Do alot of hmong marry hmong abroad like in china or laos, and bring them back to the USA?

If every single hmong, instead of just marrying inside the hmong community inside the USA, married a hmong foreigner from southern china, laos, or vietnam, and then applied them for citizenship for family reunification, you can double the hmong population. Along with a high birthrate that will like triple the amount of hmong.

and technically its not marriage fraud, fraud is only when one person marries another person just to give them citizenship, and then divorce.

if the marriage is for real they can't charge you guys for fraud, you can just say that "its fashionable to bring back spouses from our homeland".

first of all y would somebody want get marry to a person who has such a different life, y go through all that trouble when u have ur own girls at home and secondly hmong people in the usa has no ties to other hmong people beside the ones in laos, it is to difficult to understand other dialects

[souphounavong]

first of all y would somebody want get marry to a person who has such a different life, y go through all that trouble when u have ur own girls at home and secondly hmong people in the usa has no ties to other hmong people beside the ones in laos, it is to difficult to understand other dialects

AGREED!

I tried to be openminded for those recent Hmong from Thailand but now, i think it's impossible.

After what i went through, i thought to myself... gosh i should have trusted my instincts. These HTT have a mentality that is very incompatible with us Americanized Hmong.

I'm sticking with Hmong American girls from now on.

[reutty]

first of all y would somebody want get marry to a person who has such a different life, y go through all that trouble when u have ur own girls at home and secondly hmong people in the usa has no ties to other hmong people beside the ones in laos, it is to difficult to understand other dialects

I read a book about hmong women from china wanting to marry hmong men in the west in order to move to the west.

http://books.google.com/books?id=9ZtSe2-sr...ter&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9ZtSe2-sr...ion&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9ZtSe2-sr...ina&f=false

marrying a Hmong co-ethnic, and hence, in a certain sense, remaining within her "community" at the global scale. So great are these motivators for Hmong/Miao women in China and their families that a great deal of mobilization has gone

No sooner have they reached the homeland than Hmong male visitors seem to find themselves tenderly hosted by young, attractive women usually speaking their language, catering to their needs, and often willing to sleep with them

A first consideration is clan membership. While Hmong American travelers may seek out "relatives" with the same surname as hosts, codes of clan exogamy absolutely forbid, as incest, any sextial or marital relationship between clan members

http://books.google.com/books?id=RZ5GAAAAM...ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

flirtatious conversation with women; there is a recurrent scene of the ball toss, a traditional courtship game, except now it is between local young women and middle-aged, trenchcoated Hmong American men.

I know this is a book, and the author met only a small amount of Hmong in china and america, but its still a brilliant idea for rapidly increasing the hmong population in the USA.

from what both books which I linked above say, is that some middle aged Hmong americans go to China to seek hmong/miao wives, and they get hit on instantly by dozens of young hmong girls who want to marry #1 go to the USa #2 marry a fellow hmong.

unless the hmong women in china have been corrupted by influence from westernization and hedonism that china is going through, then they will probably be willing to bear many children.

in addition, Hmong women in vietnam are in trouble if they get kidnapped by sex traffickers and sold across the border in china, if they come back to vietnam their repuation is tarnished.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/world/as...umantrafficking

Not least is the stigma attached to the victims once they have been rescued. After villagers here reported the abductions, the Vietnamese authorities collaborated with Chinese officials to find the women and, remarkably, bring them home.

But residents’ elation lurched to horror at the realization that two of the women were pregnant. News quickly spread that the others, too, had been made sex workers, and even those who did not bear the signs of the trade paid its price.

Fearful that a fallen woman would cast shame on the whole family, several households quickly disowned their kidnapped daughters. Some of the girls built makeshift tents, blue specks that can still be seen tucked high into the mountainside, a wide distance from town.
They were outcasts, without food, income or hope.

That is when Vang Thi Mai, a short woman with work-worn hands and a round, beaming face, took them in, and changed their lives and the fortunes of the entire village.

if these women marry hmong from USA, then they wouldn't be kidnapped or sex trafficked.

[yajthaugluv]

Do alot of hmong marry hmong abroad like in china or laos, and bring them back to the USA?

If every single hmong, instead of just marrying inside the hmong community inside the USA, married a hmong foreigner from southern china, laos, or vietnam, and then applied them for citizenship for family reunification, you can double the hmong population. Along with a high birthrate that will like triple the amount of hmong.

and technically its not marriage fraud, fraud is only when one person marries another person just to give them citizenship, and then divorce.

if the marriage is for real they can't charge you guys for fraud, you can just say that "its fashionable to bring back spouses from our homeland".

Only some chose that route. I'm sure everyone have their own preferences and are not limited in any ways, the wise will keep their options open while the others will not. As far as the idea of marrying someone overseas and bring their family over, that's possible but middle class people can't do such things. Family reunification requires an applicant to be financially sound or wealthy. And such ideas is just not something Hmong Americans think much or dwell in, don't have an interest in bring people over regardless of the legal means. Hmong majority as a whole are still struggling to make a life for themselves let alone bring extended families here and with support.

And the idea of not being fraud? It's best to classify it as so because there are those that will marry for the sake of economic opportunity.

[xaithoj]

my new mission in life is to go marry Mini from Guizhou:

[reutty]

Only some chose that route. I'm sure everyone have their own preferences and are not limited in any ways, the wise will keep their options open while the others will not. As far as the idea of marrying someone overseas and bring their family over, that's possible but middle class people can't do such things. Family reunification requires an applicant to be financially sound or wealthy. And such ideas is just not something Hmong Americans think much or dwell in, don't have an interest in bring people over regardless of the legal means. Hmong majority as a whole are still struggling to make a life for themselves let alone bring extended families here and with support.

And the idea of not being fraud? It's best to classify it as so because there are those that will marry for the sake of economic opportunity.

is the poverty rate for hmong really high?

[souphounavong]

is the poverty rate for hmong really high?

Back in the 90s it was really high but i don't know about now in 2011. I don't know about other Hmong communities but specifically in Minnesota, USA, the Hmong growth to the outer suburbs is very skyrocketing.

In just my immediate family and clan alone, i know more than 10 families that used to live in the inner cities among the ghetto that now lives way out there in the suburbs.

You can say Hmong in MN is making a drastic progress since the 90s.

[yajthaugluv]

is the poverty rate for hmong really high?

No. Folks here in MN are mostly middle class families, the few are wealthy families whom own businesses or are millionaires. There's also the poor, but they make up the smaller population. Like the recently settle Hmong from Wat., although they are classed as being poor and still haven't grasp their new life here. I've seem quite a large number of them being able to take vacations 4-5 times to Thailand and those of us who's been living here like forever hasn't even gone once out of the USA once.lol And by the way, it's not so much of the middle class and wealthy that flies or married abroad, it's more of those whom are on public assistance and those receiving disability benefits from SS. As for other states? I'm not sure. Over all, I suppose Hmong people are still poor considering everyone' net worth per person.

[xaithoj]

i live in a state that has a small hmong population but almost no one here is on government assistance. the entire hmong population is solidly middle class. the state did a fantastic job of sending the first few waves of hmong refugees to learn english and then sending them to technical schools to learn trades and skills. my own father learned to be a welder at a technical school when we first came here and was making solid money in the mid 80's.

i guess the downside to that is there is no 'hmong' neighborhood. everyone lives in the suburbs and in different neighborhoods scattered throughout the metro area. the 2nd generation kids speak no hmong because there's none in their schools and all their buddies are white people. the hmong culture and language is dying out fast where im at.

[glVoix]

Southeast Asians (excluding Viet.) in general have the highest poverty rate among Asians. Maybe it is different from the Midwest but here in California, I see poverty level Hmongs often. Economic benefactors for marriage, in my opinion, I don't see them working out.

[yajthaugluv]

i live in a state that has a small hmong population but almost no one here is on government assistance. the entire hmong population is solidly middle class. the state did a fantastic job of sending the first few waves of hmong refugees to learn english and then sending them to technical schools to learn trades and skills. my own father learned to be a welder at a technical school when we first came here and was making solid money in the mid 80's.

i guess the downside to that is there is no 'hmong' neighborhood. everyone lives in the suburbs and in different neighborhoods scattered throughout the metro area. the 2nd generation kids speak no hmong because there's none in their schools and all their buddies are white people. the hmong culture and language is dying out fast where im at.

The problem isn't because there aren't other Hmong people in your school or class or in your community. It is because Hmong parents and their children don't speak or have rules at home to speak only Hmong. They speak English only so that's expected of them to turn out to be twinkies and bananas.


glVoix,

Yes, in the state of California, South East Asians are the highest in poverty especially the Hmong. Many of them depends too much on growing fresh produce in the central valley for a living. The school systems there are also not very good either, kids tend to drop out or get involve with gangs, and those that do graduate and go onto college there's nothing there for them because of the lack of opportunity there. California is just way too competitive, so it's hard for them to even climb out of poverty. There are millionaires there too but they're just as few.

[bioshock]

Haha, a Hmong entrepreneur should start a international dating service or a mail order bride thing for them crazy old gents and cougars, lol like those South Korean dudes looking for traditional brides from Vietnam and the Phillipines, lol, business would be booming! I know we already have online dating services like tojsiab, Lol.

[reutty]

The problem isn't because there aren't other Hmong people in your school or class or in your community. It is because Hmong parents and their children don't speak or have rules at home to speak only Hmong. They speak English only so that's expected of them to turn out to be twinkies and bananas.


glVoix,

Yes, in the state of California, South East Asians are the highest in poverty especially the Hmong. Many of them depends too much on growing fresh produce in the central valley for a living. The school systems there are also not very good either, kids tend to drop out or get involve with gangs, and those that do graduate and go onto college there's nothing there for them because of the lack of opportunity there. California is just way too competitive, so it's hard for them to even climb out of poverty. There are millionaires there too but they're just as few.

i'd say its good to have asian farmers, having farming as an all white proffession in America is not a good thing.

if hmong people marry hmong from vietnam or china then they will definently be proficient in hmong language and hmong culture, I don't think alot of money is required, since alot of old American men who seem to be working blue color jobs marry Filipino mail order brides, theres no way it could cost that much.

and if women in america became a little too westernized then there are always the hmong from rural village in Vietnam and China to marry. is polygamy acceptable among hmong?

[txoomsuab2]

i'd say its good to have asian farmers, having farming as an all white proffession in America is not a good thing.

if hmong people marry hmong from vietnam or china then they will definently be proficient in hmong language and hmong culture, I don't think alot of money is required, since alot of old American men who seem to be working blue color jobs marry Filipino mail order brides, theres no way it could cost that much.

and if women in america became a little too westernized then there are always the hmong from rural village in Vietnam and China to marry. is polygamy acceptable among hmong?

like i said earlier, we have no reason to marry other hmongs, they have little connection with us, our culture is not that similar, y do we need to marry other hmong when we have a good selection at home, of course we can marry hmongs from laos and thailand because we click more with them and the accent is understandable but there is no reason for a young hmong person to marry a hmong from asian countries. y do we need a fob when we have a person in america who has the same values as us and nothing is wrong with being a little liberal, we don't need a person with little education that can't support us, and if u think that we r losing our tongue and we need to marry more oversea hmongs will solve anything because hmong language is quite expending and teenagers r more prideful

This post has been edited by txoomsuab2: Oct 6 2011, 03:36 PM