Dalai Lama wants to expel millions of Chinese, from Qinghai province and Sichuan Options

[bear11]

http://www.dalailama.com/messages/tibet/fi...oint-peace-plan

Dalai Lama
Today, in the whole of Tibet 7.5 million Chinese settlers have already been sent, outnumbering the Tibetan population of 6 million. In central and western Tibet, now referred to by the Chinese as the "Tibet Autonomous Region", Chinese sources admit the 1.9 million Tibetans already constitute a minority of the region's population. These numbers do not take the estimated 300,000-500,000 troops in Tibet into account - 250,000 of them in so-called Tibet Autonomous Region.

For the Tibetans to survive as a people, it is imperative that the population transfer is stopped and Chinese settlers return to China. Otherwise, Tibetans will soon be no more than a tourist attraction and relic of a noble past.

He is really making a lot of distortions and lies.
He has his own definition of Tibet which includes whole of Qinghai, half of Sichuan, and some other provinces, all of these areas were not even part of Tibet before 1949, then he claims that all of Han Chinese there are settlers and that all need to be expelled.

It is amazing that this guy got Nobel peace prize and even some western politicians meet with him.

That would be one of the biggest ethnic cleansing in recent history. Too bad he is too weak. Maybe China should expel all 2,5 million Tibetans from Qinghai and Sichuan to Tibet, in fact it should do that with useless monks.


But that wont happen, Russians expelled Chinese from 64 villages while China gives Russians in China a status of ethnic minority, Chinese in Mongolia cant even walk on the streets because they could be beaten by Mongolian Nazis , and they also ethnically cleansed Mongolia expelling Chinese while China gives Mongols in China an autonomous region.

This post has been edited by bear11: Jan 23 2012, 03:36 PM

[Chicom]

Don't Westerners want multiculturalism? Don't Westerners want diversity?

This is Western Double-Standard and will NOT be tolerated.

[TMM]

Right-wing extremism? So why can't other Chinese go and live in Tibet if Tibetans can go and live in other part of China?

[Titanium]

Good luck with that one LOL!

[devils666]

The Dalai Lama was writing this rant while sucking Whiteys d!ck!

[newties21]

So sad that he is so obsessed about race......

Btw....Tibetans are not going away anytime soon....they wont be extincted.....they wont be gone....they wont go to museum.......

It's not wrong wanting to preserve your race and your culture....but have some little bit of realistic perspective....don't be so exaggerating......

Tibetans are not going to be dead, but at the same time, they wont be able to live like in 19th century anymore.
Today is 21st century.
The clock just cant be turned back.
They have to open up, accept the outside world, which by the way, also include lots of foreign tourists of various
nationalities and races.
Those race warriors who want to turn the clock to 19th century purity just dont understand it.

Because they dont understand, they exaggerate and embellish their fears.

Btw, why are they not saying anything about Dharamsala and all those other areas in India where Tibetan descends live ?
I worry more about them if I were them....because the distance to Indians anthropologically is greater.......and I wont be surprised if within the next 1,2,3, generations, there would be erosion of culture and even intermixing with native Indians.....

Guess they cant open their mouth about that......they have to choose which race to pick......

This post has been edited by newties21: Jan 16 2012, 10:51 AM

[bear11]

The point is that this Nobel peace winner advocates ethnic cleansing of 7,5 million Chinese from areas such as Qinghai province which were not before 1949 part of Tibet in the first place.

Qinghai province is probably the most important province of China, the Yellow River and the Yangtze River originate there, any Tibetan that makes problems there should be expelled to Tibet, since Dalai Lama wants to do the same but to the Chinese, and bring millions more Chinese there.


But it is amazing that the guy that advocates ethnic cleansing on a such a large scale, on an area that was not his in the first place, and is an obvious liar, is presented positively in western media.

[GarbageMan]

As long as we are nationalism, selfish, self interest, money and power hungry, there will be war, aggression, hatred, cruelty. It does't matter whether you are American, African or Jew or Arab or Chinese or Tibetan...

Chinese communist is of course like everybody on earth, but the ideologies they get from the short sighted K. Marx or Lenin who did not understand the basic human psychology: the ego or self-interest that exists everywhere. This is the one we have to deal with, not I am Chinese, American or Tibetan...As long as I live peaceful and do the right thing, whether in China or America, everything will be OK. Look at the recent events in North Korea, when the leader died, all nation's people cried! Why? Brainwashing of the communist ideology? You can answer that question for yourself if you are true to yourself. So the point is why the Dalai Lama wants to expel million of Chinese because the Chinese leaders mentality is one way thinking, nationalistic, self interest, greedy, arrogant.. so they had invaded Tibet, then now they are trying to extinguish them. That is why!

This post has been edited by GarbageMan: Jan 17 2012, 07:43 PM

[Hugham]

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Invade Tibet?

Tibet already part of China, even before the "so called invasion".

More likely a CIA think tank of the work.

What CIA doesn't tell to Dalai Lama, it is the Hindu Indian who prosecuted Buddhists in India into extinction.

[elleX0]

^
Invade Tibet?

Tibet already part of China, even before the "so called invasion".

More likely a CIA think tank of the work.

What CIA doesn't tell to Dalai Lama, it is the Hindu Indian who prosecuted Buddhists in India into extinction.

Maybe if the Dalai Lama or his deputy, Lobsang Sangay, gets too big for their boots in Dharamsala, the Hindus may tear down their Buddhist temples there too. China, refuses to discuss anything with Lobsang Sangay. that is where his tough talking got him.

[Hugham]

Maybe if the Dalai Lama or his deputy, Lobsang Sangay, gets too big for their boots in Dharamsala, the Hindus may tear down their Buddhist temples there too. China, refuses to discuss anything with Lobsang Sangay. that is where his tough talking got him.

I wonder what Dalai Lama said about the Hindus Tamils massacre and did ethnic cleansing of the Buddhist people in Sri Lanka for decades........

[elleX0]

I wonder what Dalai Lama said about the Hindus Tamils massacre and did ethnic cleansing of the Buddhist people in Sri Lanka for decades........

I quote:

In an interview with Xinhua News Agency reporters on May 19, 1991, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of Tibet's peaceful liberation, Premier Li Peng of the State Council of the People's Republic of China pointed out, "The central government's policy towards the Dalai Lama has been consistent and remains unchanged. We have only one fundamental principle, namely, Tibet is an inalienable part of China. On this fundamental issue there is no room for haggling. The central government has always expressed its willingness to have contact with the Dalai Lama, but he must stop activities to split the motherland and change his position for 'Tibetan independence.' All matters except 'Tibetan independence' can be discussed."

The central government is willing to contact and negotiate with the Dalai Lama; the door remains open. The central government's policy towards the Dalai Lama is also clear. To be responsible for the history, the Chinese nation and its 1.1 billion people, including the Tibetan people, the central government will make not the slightest concession on the fundamental issue of maintaining the motherland's unification. Any activity attempting to realize "Tibetan independence" and split the motherland by relying on foreign forces is an ignominious move betraying the motherland and the whole Chinese nation including the Tibetan nationality. The central government resolutely denounces this kind of action and will never allow it to succeed. The central government will continue to implement a series of special policies and preferential measures to promote the construction and development of Tibet so as to enhance national unity, construct a prosperous economy, enrich culture and improve the people's livelihood. Any activity sabotaging stability and unity in Tibet and any unlawful deed creating disturbance and inciting riots runs against the basic interests of the Tibetan people and will be cracked down on relentlessly.

Say what you like about China's attitudes about Human Rights, most western political leaders secretly respect China's "NO NONSENSE - ZERO TOLERANCE" attitudes towards revolutionists. That is why China should draw up her own "Convention of Sino-Human Rights? applicable to 1.4 billion population of China.

This post has been edited by elleX0: Jan 24 2012, 04:53 AM

[Hugham]

I quote:


Say what you like about China's attitudes about Human Rights, most western political leaders secretly respect China's "NO NONSENSE - ZERO TOLERANCE" attitudes towards revolutionists. That is why China should draw up her own "Convention of Sino-Human Rights? applicable to 1.4 billion population of China.

About cracking down the revolutionists, It's not a secretly respected, but any good statesmen know that is the right thing to do.

Since the Communist revolution, Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, China government is very very sensitive of any dramatic big bang revolution and solution.


Systematically, there's no problem in China about Human Rights.

The problem in China is the law implementation and bad officials........human factor.

[elleX0]

About cracking down the revolutionists, It's not a secretly respected, but any good statesmen know that is the right thing to do.

Since the Communist revolution, Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, China government is very very sensitive of any dramatic big bang revolution and solution.


Systematically, there's no problem in China about Human Rights.

The problem in China is the law implementation and bad officials........human factor.

China has a long history of rebellions and revolutions. Even the CCP is the daughter of revolution so she should know better than anyone else. But because China has been demonised for breaking the Human Rights Conventions, she should learn to draw up a "Chinese Civil Rights act" that will make it legal within the Chinese Legal System to execute/incarcerate traitors.

[YamatoG]

Its sad really, Tibetans are genetically the same as us, yet they insist on kissing whitey's @$$. If you think about it, asians wouldn't have so many problems if we didn't continue causing conflicts with each other. The CCP government is also to blame. Sometimes im not even sure if they know what the hell they are doing. Nevertheless, if china even lifts its pinky, it will be more fodder for anti chinese western $hitheads.

[faydabakery]

So sad that he is so obsessed about race......

Btw....Tibetans are not going away anytime soon....they wont be extincted.....they wont be gone....they wont go to museum.......

It's not wrong wanting to preserve your race and your culture....but have some little bit of realistic perspective....don't be so exaggerating......

Tibetans are not going to be dead, but at the same time, they wont be able to live like in 19th century anymore.
Today is 21st century.
The clock just cant be turned back.
They have to open up, accept the outside world, which by the way, also include lots of foreign tourists of various
nationalities and races.
Those race warriors who want to turn the clock to 19th century purity just dont understand it.

Because they dont understand, they exaggerate and embellish their fears.

Btw, why are they not saying anything about Dharamsala and all those other areas in India where Tibetan descends live ?
I worry more about them if I were them....because the distance to Indians anthropologically is greater.......and I wont be surprised if within the next 1,2,3, generations, there would be erosion of culture and even intermixing with native Indians.....

Guess they cant open their mouth about that......they have to choose which race to pick......

I think everyone is obsessed about race. You forget about "Han Chinese this and Han Chinese that?" And that's within the Chinese population.

But again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Tibet_controversy

Discussing the social structure of Tibet inevitably leads to difficulties with defining terms. Not only may serf and feudalism be Western terms inappropriate for Asian use but the geography and peoples of Tibet vary according to interpreter. The lack of agreement of the various sides as to terminology highlights that the 'Serfdom in Tibet' controversy is a politicised debate, with the term 'feudal serfdom' largely being used by the People's Republic of China as a justification for their taking control in Tibet. According to the PRC:

...there was a historically imperative need for the progress of Tibetan society and the happiness of the Tibetan people to expel the imperialists and shake off the yoke of feudal serfdom. The founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949 brought hope for the deeply distressed Tibetan people. In conforming to the law of historical development and the interests of the Tibetan people, the Central People's Government worked actively to bring about Tibet's peaceful liberation. After that, important policies and measures were adopted for Tibet's Democratic Reform, regional autonomy, large-scale modernization and reform and opening-up.[9]

However, the Tibetan government in exile responds:

...the Chinese justifications make no sense. First of all, international law does not accept justifications of this type. No country is allowed to invade, occupy, annex and colonize another country just because its social structure does not please it. Secondly, the PRC is responsible for bringing more suffering in the name of liberation. Thirdly, necessary reforms were initiated and Tibetans are quite capable of doing so.[10]



The Tibetan government does have a point. Example - should the US stay in Iraq and Afghanistan because they're nation building and raising education levels and trying to get those local tribes to get along (in addition to the obsessive terrorist hunting)? Does the Chinese really belong there because they've improved the quality of lives there? Let's face it, China just wants Tibet for its resources, not to really make people there happy.

[devils666]

I think everyone is obsessed about race. You forget about "Han Chinese this and Han Chinese that?" And that's within the Chinese population.

But again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Tibet_controversy

Discussing the social structure of Tibet inevitably leads to difficulties with defining terms. Not only may serf and feudalism be Western terms inappropriate for Asian use but the geography and peoples of Tibet vary according to interpreter. The lack of agreement of the various sides as to terminology highlights that the 'Serfdom in Tibet' controversy is a politicised debate, with the term 'feudal serfdom' largely being used by the People's Republic of China as a justification for their taking control in Tibet. According to the PRC:

...there was a historically imperative need for the progress of Tibetan society and the happiness of the Tibetan people to expel the imperialists and shake off the yoke of feudal serfdom. The founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949 brought hope for the deeply distressed Tibetan people. In conforming to the law of historical development and the interests of the Tibetan people, the Central People's Government worked actively to bring about Tibet's peaceful liberation. After that, important policies and measures were adopted for Tibet's Democratic Reform, regional autonomy, large-scale modernization and reform and opening-up.[9]

However, the Tibetan government in exile responds:

...the Chinese justifications make no sense. First of all, international law does not accept justifications of this type. No country is allowed to invade, occupy, annex and colonize another country just because its social structure does not please it. Secondly, the PRC is responsible for bringing more suffering in the name of liberation. Thirdly, necessary reforms were initiated and Tibetans are quite capable of doing so.[10]



The Tibetan government does have a point. Example - should the US stay in Iraq and Afghanistan because they're nation building and raising education levels and trying to get those local tribes to get along (in addition to the obsessive terrorist hunting)? Does the Chinese really belong there because they've improved the quality of lives there? Let's face it, China just wants Tibet for its resources, not to really make people there happy.

Is that the case for Hawaii? Remeber Hawaii was an independent nation with a Queen and royal court. The US decided they didn't like Hawaii's antiquated system and decided to take it over. The only difference is that Hawaii is like the 3rd world country compared to America. At least living standards improved in Tibet.

[faydabakery]

Is that the case for Hawaii? Remeber Hawaii was an independent nation with a Queen and royal court. The US decided they didn't like Hawaii's antiquated system and decided to take it over. The only difference is that Hawaii is like the 3rd world country compared to America. At least living standards improved in Tibet.

Exactly. Similar case. The population of Hawaii was infused with tons of Americans. Why would Hawaii secede when the new Americans living there could outvote the natives?

[devils666]

Exactly. Similar case. The population of Hawaii was infused with tons of Americans. Why would Hawaii secede when the new Americans living there could outvote the natives?

I agree. There are tons of Americans who have hijacked Hawaii and stomped out any Independence movements.

But in China, hardly any Han's live in Tibet. The majority of Tibetans live in Sichuan province which is NOT PART OF TIBET. Those news articles about riots all said they happened in Sichaun, NOT TIBET - unfortunately these idiot China haters don't know the difference. So does that give Tibetans the right to take over Sichuan province? It would be like Native Hawaiians migrating to california and demanding soveriegnty.

This post has been edited by devils666: Jan 29 2012, 09:50 AM

[faydabakery]

I agree. There are tons of Americans who have hijacked Hawaii and stomped out any Independence movements.

But in China, hardly any Han's live in Tibet. The majority of Tibetans live in Sichuan province which is NOT PART OF TIBET. Those news articles about riots all said they happened in Sichaun, NOT TIBET - unfortunately these idiot China haters don't know the difference. So does that give Tibetans the right to take over Sichuan province? It would be live Native Hawaiians migrating to california and demanding soveriegnty.

Oh, they should definitely not be given part of Sichuan. My point was that the Tibet government has a valid point in that they could have modernized without Chinese interference. If I'm a Tibetan native or Hawaiian native, I'd be pissed and have every right right to be. At least in regards to being conquered and in terms of culture. The cultures are bound to die to a large extent due to assimilation sooner or later. I understand why some Tibetans feel the way they do and why others sympathize with them.