What will you choose for Vietnam? Options

[Nha Le]

Discuss why...

[SoCal]

I choose the GDP Per Capita of $10,000 because it is a symbol of Vietnam being an industrialized country.

Is it nominal or ppp?

[Goombaking209]

15,000 dongs to 1 USDollar is very very unhealthy ..

[Brotherly Love]

I'd like to see the lives of Vietnamese people improve so I chose 10,000USD per capita.

[Sideley]

A stable democracy where every citizen are equals before the law, whereevery citizen has the same right to set up (healthy and fair) business, to travel abroad to gain knowledge, where citizens aren't forced to beg after corrupt and inefficient officials (who came from a sole political party) . Where every citizen (not only the weakest nor the powerful) has the duty to defend the country from any unwanted aggressions and corruption...

Then, the rest will happen as a natural consequence: development, education level, cultural richness...

[LaniKai]

I choose the GDP Per Capita of $10,000 because it is a symbol of Vietnam being an industrialized country.

Is it nominal or ppp?

If it 's nominal , then it is no longer a commie - ruled nation . Even 2017 !

[Happy Asian]

Money is better then democracy.

$1,000 GDP per captia plus nuclear weapons capability.

[etalkishere]

I would say democracy will come well before we reach $US 10K mark. My prediction (or at least, that is my wildest dream) is that it will come no later than 10 years, whether we like it or not.

According to the Global Economics Paper No 134, published Dec 2005 (credit to SoCal), the prediction is that Vietnam GDP per Capita will be $10,170 by 2035. Of course, anything can happen from now to then (government change, investment conditions change, domestic and overseas Vietnamese can put aside differences and together focus on national development, WWIII, etc) that can make it swing drastically either way.

Given this forecast, I want democracy. Or at least, freedom of speech/press, so citizens like Truong Quoc Huy can voice their honest opinions on any wrongdoing/mismanagement for the good of the country. I really can't see how transparency is possible and corruption can be effectively controlled without freedom of speech/press and democracy.



This post has been edited by etalkishere: Aug 23 2006, 06:22 AM

[ddha]

A stable democracy where every citizen are equals before the law, whereevery citizen has the same right to set up (healthy and fair) business, to travel abroad to gain knowledge, where citizens aren't forced to beg after corrupt and inefficient officials (who came from a sole political party) . Where every citizen (not only the weakest nor the powerful) has the duty to defend the country from any unwanted aggressions and corruption...

Then, the rest will happen as a natural consequence: development, education level, cultural richness...

Wow.... well said. I agree

[canhong]

I would say democracy will come well before we reach $US 10K mark. My prediction (or at least, that is my wildest dream) is that it will come no later than 10 years, whether we like it or not.

According to the Global Economics Paper No 134, published Dec 2005 (credit to SoCal), the prediction is that Vietnam GDP per Capita will be $10,170 by 2035. Of course, anything can happen from now to then (government change, investment conditions change, domestic and overseas Vietnamese can put aside differences and together focus on national development, WWIII, etc) that can make it swing drastically either way.

Given this forecast, I want democracy. Or at least, freedom of speech/press, so citizens like Truong Quoc Huy can voice their honest opinions on any wrongdoing/mismanagement for the good of the country. I really can't see how transparency is possible and corruption can be effectively controlled without freedom of speech/press and democracy.

I hear you, bro! A peaceful transition to democracy would be better for Vietnam in the long run.

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[Bebob]

A lot a people have good points here. So why can't we do both. Looking at in the short term, i would say, improve the GDP per capital. If the growth is equally devided, people's lives will improve. Probably resulting in better education, health care, cultural richness, etc. All this is possible in a 'communistic' system. Because when you are fighting to get food on the table, you don't care too much who's waving around with the stick. As long as you get your food. But on the long run, i also agree with canhong and others.

To get the best out of people, people need to have freedom. Constructive criticism is a very good way to better yourself. A political system that doesn't allow that will always slack behind if other factors are equal out. Vietnam on the short run will profit from it's cheap labour force, but as economic growth continues, providing that cheap labour force will get tougher and thougher. Development in other area's are needed to substain continuity in economic growth. The more you move up in the ranks the more you need people with creativity and vision to provide you with that kind of development. Looking at communism through those viewpoints, we can conclude that communism haven't been the best soil for that.

Communistic systems tends to be conservative and rigid. With quite a hierarchical buildup, making fast exiting new changes an impossible thing to accomplish. What the vietnamese communistic system also lack is transparency and control mechanisms. Which ofcourse will lead to many 'misses' in development, implementation and control of policies. And it also leave a lot more room for corruption. If we can set up such control mechanism and allowing more transparency in the communistic system, a lot will improve in the government of the country. The right person on the right place will be more obvious, which will result in better development and implementation of policies.

But like i said before, to get the most out of people, they need their freedom. Systems which provide that, will always beat systems that doesn't. We can see that all around us. In political systems, in management systems and even nature, which might be the best example since it has be around for so long. ^^


For people who skip all the text ( i bet there are a lot of those XD ). I chose for others. GDP and democracy, i'm just a greedy bastard.

[TyCooN]

I choose a super strong military power for us. Then we can shoot down bad guys like SoCal.

[supernovasp]

A lot a people have good points here. So why can't we do both. Looking at in the short term, i would say, improve the GDP per capital. If the growth is equally devided, people's lives will improve. Probably resulting in better education, health care, cultural richness, etc. All this is possible in a 'communistic' system. Because when you are fighting to get food on the table, you don't care too much who's waving around with the stick. As long as you get your food. But on the long run, i also agree with canhong and others.

To get the best out of people, people need to have freedom. Constructive criticism is a very good way to better yourself. A political system that doesn't allow that will always slack behind if other factors are equal out. Vietnam on the short run will profit from it's cheap labour force, but as economic growth continues, providing that cheap labour force will get tougher and thougher. Development in other area's are needed to substain continuity in economic growth. The more you move up in the ranks the more you need people with creativity and vision to provide you with that kind of development. Looking at communism through those viewpoints, we can conclude that communism haven't been the best soil for that.

Communistic systems tends to be conservative and rigid. With quite a hierarchical buildup, making fast exiting new changes an impossible thing to accomplish. What the vietnamese communistic system also lack is transparency and control mechanisms. Which ofcourse will lead to many 'misses' in development, implementation and control of policies. And it also leave a lot more room for corruption. If we can set up such control mechanism and allowing more transparency in the communistic system, a lot will improve in the government of the country. The right person on the right place will be more obvious, which will result in better development and implementation of policies.

But like i said before, to get the most out of people, they need their freedom. Systems which provide that, will always beat systems that doesn't. We can see that all around us. In political systems, in management systems and even nature, which might be the best example since it has be around for so long. ^^
For people who skip all the text ( i bet there are a lot of those XD ). I chose for others. GDP and democracy, i'm just a greedy bastard.

Please stop with the use of word "communistic". A true "communistic government" is essentially an oxymoron. Vietnam government is an authoritarian one-party state. If you look at the list of Goldman's N-11 list, Vietnam is the ONLY "non-democratic" nation :



Now here's my opinion, as long as Vietnam can have a high HDI ranking and GDP per capita, I don't give a fu-k if the government's democratic or not. Seriously, WHERE WOULD you guys want to live? Singapore or Phillipines?

This post has been edited by supernovasp: Aug 23 2006, 05:03 PM

[Happy Asian]

I choose a super strong military power for us. Then we can shoot down bad guys like SoCal.

Leave him alone.