The term CINA (TJINA) in Indon-speak, Not offensive they say, but history shows otherwise Options

[DrGieL3]

chutzpah, you are hopeless. its sad to see how you are trying to justify your behavior.

Hahahaha ..... progressive or not .... chutzpah is naturally still "Malaysian" ....

[chutzpah]

Lol.

Ini masih perlu ditanya apa?

Cina dari jaman bahala emang kata kasar...

Makanya sekarang hampir semua buku cetak tulisnya Tionghoa...

Just had the above translated, loosely it says: why should this be questioned? Cina was an insulting word since the 'bahala' period, that's why now almost all books use 'Tionghoa'

Funny that one coming from one of your own.

[chutzpah]

DEL has a lot to learn. But he is only a young man enjoying the freedom of speech in Holland. I wonder if he listens to some of Geert Wilders speeches?

He thinks Geert Wilders is wrong so I doubt that he will listen to the speeches, at least that's what he said privately in his pm to me. I bet he dislikes Pim Fortuyn the politician that was killed by Muslim extremists in Holland for speaking out against Islam.

Hahahaha ..... progressive or not .... chutzpah is naturally still "Malaysian" ....

This post has been edited by chutzpah: May 16 2011, 03:12 AM

[elleX0]

Thank you for your input and civility though the same can't be said about some of the Indons here.

From the following link by elleXO on the word INDON:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...mp;qpid=4760140

Words spelt out in a dictionary are legitimate words for international use, and in literature, and for anyone to infer that it offends them is a bit absurd, especially if there was no offence meant in the context of the sentence. It is making a mountain out of a molehill.

[DEL]

Just saying, N-gger and F-ag were in the dictionary too once as non-derogatory. Its sad how you guys ignore all these actions of the Indonesian and Malaysian government to ban this word. Even sadder, that you still use it when you know its derogatory for some. You know this is an Indonesian forum, so you know it will offend some, so you are out to. Highly disrespectful and childish.

Chutzpah, get your facts right. Pim Fortuyn wasn't killed by a muslim extremist, but an environmentalist. A dutchman, V van der Graaf.
T v Gogh must be the one you are referring to. He wasn't a politician, but a movie maker. He was killed by M. Bouyeri, a Muslim extremist, who was once reported by his own family and had to go to a psychic detaining center.

[elleX0]

Just saying, N-gger and F-ag were in the dictionary too once as non-derogatory. Its sad how you guys ignore all these actions of the Indonesian and Malaysian government to ban this word. Even sadder, that you still use it when you know its derogatory for some. You know this is an Indonesian forum, so you know it will offend some, so you are out to. Highly disrespectful and childish.

Chutzpah, get your facts right. Pim Fortuyn wasn't killed by a muslim extremist, but an environmentalist. A dutchman, V van der Graaf.
T v Gogh must be the one you are referring to. He wasn't a politician, but a movie maker. He was killed by M. Bouyeri, a Muslim extremist, who was once reported by his own family and had to go to a psychic detaining center.

It is PC gone mad.

[tangawizi]

Hahahaha ..... progressive or not .... chutzpah is naturally still "Malaysian" ....

what's that mean? Malaysians are progressive or not?

[chutzpah]

Words spelt out in a dictionary are legitimate words for international use, and in literature, and for anyone to infer that it offends them is a bit absurd, especially if there was no offence meant in the context of the sentence. It is making a mountain out of a molehill.

It is made offensive only a few years ago. It's borne out of irrational perception of themselves. Some like those trolling here have been growing a massive inferiority complex due to the huge numbers of Indon maids and labourers working overseas. This is also the reason why the Indon embassy in KL issued such statement. Yet we don't see such irrationality among the Filipinos whose country also exports even larger number of domestics and for alot longer. I guess the Indons don't like to see themselves as an exporters of domestics and labourers. There are many countries that fall into this catagory, such as Bangladesh, India, Laos, Burma, Nepal and Pakistan, these countries export mostly labourers.

[tangawizi]

Hello? Pinoy is considered a derogatory word leh, did u know???

[DEL]

Hello? Pinoy is considered a derogatory word leh, did u know???

I thought Flip was? Meaning fu-king little island people. Anyways, the other countries he mentions took action action the word ''coolie.'' In all his posts you see that he doesn't do his research. Not to mention what South Americans laborers have to endure in America.

It is made offensive only a few years ago. It's borne out of irrational perception of themselves. Some like those trolling here have been growing a massive inferiority complex due to the huge numbers of Indon maids and labourers working overseas. This is also the reason why the Indon embassy in KL issued such statement. Yet we don't see such irrationality among the Filipinos whose country also exports even larger number of domestics and for alot longer. I guess the Indons don't like to see themselves as an exporters of domestics and labourers. There are many countries that fall into this catagory, such as Bangladesh, India, Laos, Burma, Nepal and Pakistan, these countries export mostly labourers.

Fine example of how a racist hater justifies his behavior. Exactly the same way the other derogatory terms have been defended in the past.

The offenders use derogatory terms to belittle the people they offend. They see the offended as something inferior. He should re-check the quotes he used from the newspapers, where we could clearly see the offender saw them as something inferior, as cheap slaves/thiefs. So if some people feel inferior, it is talked upon them. There is nothing irrational about it. His posts also showcase how childish he is. He knows it does offend people, but he still insist in using it. I pointed out it did and now he uses the term to describe me. Very childish and it shows he is just out to offend.

This post has been edited by DEL: May 17 2011, 03:31 AM

[chutzpah]

Hello? Pinoy is considered a derogatory word leh, did u know???

.......fu-king little island people.

Did you check the PhilChat and see how many of them use the term pinoy and flip? We know you always base your assumption on fact, so why not check it out before saying it is derogatory? Better still why not start a petition in the PhilChat and ask away? Why does that Ducth Indon paragon of virtue always so fond of using expletive? It must be cultural with him no doubt. And does it make him feel more of a man and masculine?


This post has been edited by chutzpah: May 17 2011, 03:47 AM

[DEL]

Nah, i just showed you that those words are there and that is what it means, so you know the situation you seem so unaware of. My words are less worse than the things you said and you actually mean it all. :s

Funny you don't reply on the subject, but always on something small. Meaning, you don't know what you talk about.

[tangawizi]

Did you check the PhilChat and see how many of them use the term pinoy and flip? We know you always base your assumption on fact, so why not check it out before saying it is derogatory? Better still why not start a petition in the PhilChat and ask away? Why does that Ducth Indon paragon of virtue always so fond of using expletive? It must be cultural with him no doubt. And does it make him feel more of a man and masculine?

Actually it's some American filipinos who view "Pinoy" as derogatory. And that's documented by a study here:

Leonard, George (1999). The Asian Pacific American Heritage: A Companion to Literature and Arts. Taylor & Francis. p. 484. ISBN 0815329806, 9780815329800. Retrieved 2008-08-18.

If you talk to flipcombatmedic, a forummer based in Colorado, he'll tell you it's like calling s.o. "nigga". I guess it's who you are talking to.

So, I quit using Pinoy when I was told that.

But if someone tells you on AF Chat that Indon is offensive, why don't we be polite and just avoid the term on this chat? why do you insist on using that offensive term and expect them to remain polite with you?


This post has been edited by tangawizi: May 17 2011, 08:59 AM

[chutzpah]

Actually it's some American filipinos who view "Pinoy" as derogatory. And that's documented by a study here:

Leonard, George (1999). The Asian Pacific American Heritage: A Companion to Literature and Arts. Taylor & Francis. p. 484. ISBN 0815329806, 9780815329800. Retrieved 2008-08-18.

If you talk to flipcombatmedic, a forummer based in Colorado, he'll tell you it's like calling s.o. "nigga". I guess it's who you are talking to.

So, I quit using Pinoy when I was told that.

But if someone tells you on AF Chat that Indon is offensive, why don't we be polite and just avoid the term on this chat? why do you insist on using that offensive term and expect them to remain polite with you?

Why don't you heed your own advice and cease being a self appointed sheriff, adopt civility and politeness in dealing with people you happen to disagree with?

[DEL]

pfff, kulit badak.

So predictable. We all knew he would reflect or ignore the question.

As i can see is that Tanga toned down her tone, unlike you. Be a man and discuss.

Tanga, thats why i didnt like you and maja went crazy against them once, because i knew this douche will use it and abuse it forever. If he cant answer your question or cant win from your argument, he will dodge it by referring to what you two did. He just avoids me or throw insults at me he looked up at the internet (because he is too dumb to make up one himself), because he knows he can't win with reason.

But it stands that chutzpah cant discuss and that there is no logic in his words. The simpleton really doesn't interest me anymore, let him drown in his self created misery.

This post has been edited by DEL: Jun 2 2011, 06:54 AM

[DEL]

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This post has been edited by DEL: May 31 2011, 06:44 AM

[tangawizi]

U are so right, delano... Anyways, I hv to study for my exam so gotta get down to work n not waste time! U keep on postin' the girly girls!!!!

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[222]

I think most of Indonesian people don't even know the origin of the word "Cina" (Chee-na) which they used to insult Indonesian Chinese descent.
all they know is that it is the name of a country, "China" is pronounced by locals as "Chee-na", written as "Cina"

many Chinese Indonesians don't want to be called Cina, refused the usage of the word "Cina" because the local people commonly use these words with feelings of hatred against the Chinese or curse.
although according to history, "Cina" (China without 'h') is a derogatory term towards Chinese people.

This post has been edited by 222: Jun 4 2011, 11:48 AM

[chutzpah]

I think most of Indonesian people don't even know the origin of the word "Cina" (Chee-na) which they used to insult Indonesian Chinese descent.
all they know is that it is the name of a country, "China" is pronounced by locals as "Chee-na", written as "Cina"

many Chinese Indonesians don't want to be called Cina, refused the usage of the word "Cina" because the local people commonly use these words with feelings of hatred against the Chinese or curse.
although according to history, "Cina" (China without 'h') is a derogatory term towards Chinese people.

222, it is really quite pointless discussing this topic further with the Indons here in AF as they have this pathological hatred for Indon Chinese and China. The AF Indons would deny that they are racist against the Indon Chinese. The AF Indons would pretend that there is no longer racism and some will even go as far as insisting that there was never any form of discrimination against the Indon Chinese. Allow me to explain the AF Indons' mentality. The AF Indons have a persecuted mentality and feel they are victimised. Therefore AF Indons are ultra sensitive and can not handle criticism well, read here:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t=0&start=0
and here:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...0596&st=260
In most cases their reactions can best be described as mindlessly obscene and abusive and totally infantile, where the elevation of mediocrity reigns supreme.

At least the Malays are honest in their hatred for the Chinese and Indians. They will openly admit they hate all non Muslims and non Malays, unlike the Indons who like to pretend just to keep up appearances, but only end up fooling themselves. Then there are those Chinese traitors. We have one here in AF goes by the name of Tangawizi, she said she is from Singapore. She hates being Chinese (she said so) and she hates the Chinese and is full of self loathing. She will condemn anyone who dares to criticise Indons/Malays or talk about Islam. Yet she is neither an Indon/Malay nor a Muslim, and she knows absolutely nothing about Islam. She even insults the Muslims just to get her point across, she is a pathetic Islamist apologist.

[DEL]

See tanga, here he goes again, referring to it. Apparently he even sees in your words that all Indonesians denied that there is discrimination vs Chinese. I think we never did that, i never did. I think he has autism or something and now lives in his own created world full with lies. Lost of social functionality.


ow chutzpah, the man with the double standard a-ss. With his right part he believes that he defends minorities against injustice and says he doesn't have any problems with Muslims. With his left part he disrespectfully attack everyone with the dumbest insults, hating and questioning an entire religion and anyone who opposes him must die. It doesn't really matter which side he uses, he always talks s-hit.

This post has been edited by DEL: Jun 7 2011, 05:44 AM