Not all Thai are decendent of the Tai people Options

[OhGeezLAOBOI]

Sadly, In Thailand history books do not match or showed the logical conclusion of the history. It would be much better if students in Isan have a chance to learn the correct Lao history because that is truely their roots.

What about the Tai people in Vietnam, especially around the area of Dien Bien Phu, Why they still called themselves Tai (Tai Dum and Tai Daeng) not Lao even though they are closer to you than us? or the Tai Lue in southwestern China. It is just the name,my friend, we are all the same, we understand each other, linguistically. More or less like a German from Bavaria and a German from Hamburg.

Having said that, I agree with you, Lao race is unique ( I dont like the word "Pure race"). For me, Thais espeically in lower central Thailand, have been mixed with Khmer, Malay and Chinese for generations. Truely a melting pot, really. A genetic study using blood samples conducted in Chulalongkorn University in the 80's also showed that there are no differences in term of Mitochondrial DNA analysis between Isan people, Lao in Laos and Tai Dum in Vietnam but there are some differences between Isan people, Teo Chow Chinese from Bangkok, Thai-Malay from Pattani province and Khmer people (the elephant village) from Surin province. One shocking conclusion from this study was that the true Tai or Lao race in Thailand could only be found in the remote areas of Isan or the north. Of course, this controversial study was never published, I think you all know the reason why?

[Savan]

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This post has been edited by Savan: Aug 21 2012, 10:55 PM

[benja]

I agree not all Tai poeple are pure Thai as the tribe have been in so many region of Asia, have been conquered and reconquered and mix with other ethnicity over 1,000s of years. The country of Laos is a mix of Tai, Han Chinese, Hill Tribes, Khmer, Mon, Diem Viet, Champa (Indonesian), Japanese traders, Indian immigrants, French, just the same as people in Thailand. It is hard to say who is who because there is always trading and migration. Who would have known China had Jewish Immigrants from Judea who settle in Kaifeng 1,000s of years ago as part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Yet they are there until this day and they look like ethnic Chinese, not middle eastern.

[SabaiSabai]

well wouldn't this just be nit picking since on the one hand its a national identity on the other its refering to racial identity.

Thai people are Tai if you are looking at it racially. Thai citizens don't have to be Tai if your looking at it from a national point of view.

My mothers family are form the Isdsan region of Thailand and they are pretty well off actually. Its not like these people are being opressed at all. The region is a rural region and mainly used for agriculture. You cannot base everything like it was bangkok which is totally different since it is a hub for comercial and trade.

Equality is a good idea but saddly it does not exist. Hell even communism is a good idea based on equality but saddly it doesn't work! Issan people don't want to be farmers and the poor dont want to be poor, but instead of doing something baout it they are just making lots of noise. But then again its also political propaganda that has been used for years in Thailand. Outsiders will not understand.

And tbh wtf do you know? places like Korat and udon thani as well as khon kaen are becoming quite developed cities. Who says money isn't going to these regions?

[Anouvong]

Sadly, In Thailand history books do not match or showed the logical conclusion of the history. It would be much better if students in Isan have a chance to learn the correct Lao history because that is truely their roots.

What about the Tai people in Vietnam, especially around the area of Dien Bien Phu, Why they still called themselves Tai (Tai Dum and Tai Daeng) not Lao even though they are closer to you than us? or the Tai Lue in southwestern China. It is just the name,my friend, we are all the same, we understand each other, linguistically. More or less like a German from Bavaria and a German from Hamburg.

Idiot, no groups of people on earth call themselves "TAI" (one word) except the Thai (Tai). "Tai" for other T'ai speaking people just mean "people". Usually used with then name of location or river, ie. Tai Kheun is not the name of ethnic but just mean 'people of Khuen river'. 'Lao (or Law, pronounces lao) is same word of 'Lawa', cuz Lao is Lawa people in the beginning. Lawa people is the indigenous Mon-Khmer group in SEA, concentrated in northern Laos. Lawa mixed with a group of T'ai speaker who were part of your ancestors, and made all Lao people today. Modern Lao people are loads of mixed blood people like Lue, Viet, Khmu, Hmong etc. There are no fukin pure blood in Lao people or even in this world, get over it.

Having said that, I agree with you, Lao race is unique ( I dont like the word "Pure race"). For me, Thais espeically in lower central Thailand, have been mixed with Khmer, Malay and Chinese for generations. Truely a melting pot, really. A genetic study using blood samples conducted in Chulalongkorn University in the 80's also showed that there are no differences in term of Mitochondrial DNA analysis between Isan people, Lao in Laos and Tai Dum in Vietnam but there are some differences between Isan people, Teo Chow Chinese from Bangkok, Thai-Malay from Pattani province and Khmer people (the elephant village) from Surin province. One shocking conclusion from this study was that the true Tai or Lao race in Thailand could only be found in the remote areas of Isan or the north. Of course, this controversial study was never published, I think you all know the reason why?

LOL, you sound like Edog Bingbong, especially the study part.

Reading the graph and tell me where is Pure Tai blood race?


Genetically, there are NO race on earth. People are same one big family. All ancestors originate in Africa. Stupid lao like you love to discredit others with your idiot pure blood theory, ironically Lao are fuking mixed blood themselves.

[Issan]

You just can't handle the truth. Is there any real Thai blood in Thailand? Shan and Sipsongpana also called themselves Tai. Tai Lue, Tai Yai. Tai mean free not Thai.

Idiot, no groups of people on earth call themselves "TAI" (one word) except the Thai (Tai). "Tai" for other T'ai speaking people just mean "people". Usually used with then name of location or river, ie. Tai Kheun is not the name of ethnic but just mean 'people of Khuen river'. 'Lao (or Law, pronounces lao) is same word of 'Lawa', cuz Lao is Lawa people in the beginning. Lawa people is the indigenous Mon-Khmer group in SEA, concentrated in northern Laos. Lawa mixed with a group of T'ai speaker who were part of your ancestors, and made all Lao people today. Modern Lao people are loads of mixed blood people like Lue, Viet, Khmu, Hmong etc. There are no fukin pure blood in Lao people or even in this world, get over it.



LOL, you sound like Edog Bingbong, especially the study part.

Reading the graph and tell me where is Pure Tai blood race?


Genetically, there are NO race on earth. People are same one big family. All ancestors originate in Africa. Stupid lao like you love to discredit others with your idiot pure blood theory, ironically Lao are fuking mixed blood themselves.

This post has been edited by Issan: Dec 9 2010, 09:54 PM

[Anouvong]

You just can't handle the truth. Is there any real Thai blood in Thailand? Shan and Sipsongpana also called themselves Tai. Tai Lue, Tai Yai. Tai mean free not Thai.

Retard! I always say everybody on earth are mixed blood. But Laotards always claim they are pure blood. LOL Even the Tai XXX are not pure blood, if you can read the graph.

'Tai Yai' is the word Thai (Tai) like us call the Shan people. Tai Lue just mean Lue people. But Lao never call themselves Tai. Why are you chasing the word 'TAI' so bad? It's just ridiculous! Lao is Lao. Lao is Lawa. Lao is not TAI. Pure fact.

This post has been edited by Anouvong: Dec 9 2010, 10:06 PM

[PeaceMan]

Thais are hybrid...The Siamese of Sri Ayuttaya were Austro-Tai...

It even shown in the name of the King who established the kingdom and the name of the Kingdom itself.

U-Thong is an Austro-Tai's name (unlike U-Khum which is pure Tai)

Krungthep Dvaravati Sri Ayuttaya...Dvaravati was the land of our ancient Suwanaphoom ancestors.

Since Thonburi Era...Thai Kings were/is Sino-Austro-Tai...


BTW even Poo Jao Lao Jok or LawaJakarat who started the Lao lineage were partly Lau or Lawa in another word He's also an Austro-Tai...

Pure blood is something so insignificant to us Thai...it's this intergretions which made us a strong nation!!!

As you can see we all are related here both genetically and culturally from North 'till South... A one big Thai family...

[Issan]

Retard! I always say everybody on earth are mixed blood. But Laotards always claim they are pure blood. LOL Even the Tai XXX are not pure blood, if you can read the graph.

'Tai Yai' is the word Thai (Tai) like us call the Shan people. Tai Lue just mean Lue people. But Lao never call themselves Tai. Why are you chasing the word 'TAI' so bad? It's just ridiculous! Lao is Lao. Lao is Lawa. Lao is not TAI. Pure fact.

Issan is Lao. Laos is Lao and we don't care about the word Tai.

[PeaceMan]

Issan is Lao. Laos is Lao and we don't care about the word Tai.

Issan is Thai...Fact!

[thaiboy]

Issan is Lao. Laos is Lao and we don't care about the word Tai.

You have to say Issan is one region of Thailand which is composed of Lao,Khmer,Song ,Khmu,Chinese,Veitnamese ,Pu Tai .
Most of peoples in Issan are Lao descendants ,so Southern Lao dialect is widely spoken.
But all of they consider they are Thai peoples and have right to do anything in Thailand.

This post has been edited by thaiboy: Dec 10 2010, 03:47 AM

[sawan]

Idiot, no groups of people on earth call themselves "TAI" (one word) except the Thai (Tai). "Tai" for other T'ai speaking people just mean "people". Usually used with then name of location or river, ie. Tai Kheun is not the name of ethnic but just mean 'people of Khuen river'. 'Lao (or Law, pronounces lao) is same word of 'Lawa', cuz Lao is Lawa people in the beginning. Lawa people is the indigenous Mon-Khmer group in SEA, concentrated in northern Laos. Lawa mixed with a group of T'ai speaker who were part of your ancestors, and made all Lao people today. Modern Lao people are loads of mixed blood people like Lue, Viet, Khmu, Hmong etc. There are no fukin pure blood in Lao people or even in this world, get over it.

Right, the word "Tai" was used in the past with the meaning of "people" or "Kon" so Tai Lao = Kon Lao.

And it was Thailand that started to use "Tai" and "Thai" to call itself and defined it as "free".

And nobody care whether Thai people are closer to Khmer than Lao or not, I am a Jek, I am not related to Lao or Khmer anyway.

We are just "Tai", a "Tai" of Suvanabhumi.

It's 60 million people of Thailand who made the word a famous word.

If anyone want to share this word, they must merge with Thailand.

That's it.

[sawan]

You have to say Issan is one region of Thailand which is composed of Lao,Khmer,Song ,Khmu,Chinese,Veitnamese ,Pu Tai .
Most of peoples in Issan are Lao descendants ,so Southern Lao dialect is widely spoken.
But all of they consider they are Thai peoples and have right to do anything in Thailand.

That's right too.

Isaan people consists of mainly Lao.

Actually Nong Kai and Viang Chan were the same city before it's splitted by French.

People in Nong Kai and Viang Chan are real relative, Nong Kai people are even closer to Lao Viang Chan than Lao yankee are.

But the difference is that people in Isaan are in the protection of the Kingdom of Thailand.

They have full rights as Thai citizen, they can work, they can live on Isaan land, they can come to protest in the capital of Thailand, while Lao from Viang Chan don't have that privilege.

And they should be proud of the word "Lao" and don't try to take over the word "Tai"

If they really want to use the word "Tai", they have to merge with Thailand.

[KhureeTsam]

Siamese came from Chola Dynasty ! The true story !!!

Siamese in Nakhon Si Thammarat and Ayutthaya Not related to Lao in Sukhothai Province who builded Sukhothai Kingdom

The most of Siamese had herd to Burma after Burmese invaded Ayutthaya Kingdom

The most of population in Bangkok and Central region of Thailand today are Jeks and Lao who came from Laos since Thonburi Kingdom

This post has been edited by KhureeTsam: Dec 10 2010, 06:51 AM

[SiameseCat]

The only reason why some Lao don't want to relate with Isan people is because they know that most prostitutes in Thailand are ethnic Lao, end of story.

[KhureeTsam]

The only reason why some Lao don't want to relate with Isan people is because they know that most prostitutes in Thailand are ethnic Lao, end of story.

Isan people isn't Lao ethnics at all

But the culture in Isan can refer to Lao culture

The origin of Isan people is Siamese mixed with Mon-Khmer after Lao move to settled in Isan region >>> Lao can expand Lao language and Lao culture to native people in Isan

This post has been edited by KhureeTsam: Dec 10 2010, 07:27 AM

[Buddhalove]

Thailand is full of jek and they're not Tai.

[BingBing888]

Thai shouldn't called themselves Tai when they don't know or understant what it mean morally to be a Tai. All I see here is that Thai claiming to be Thai, but doesn't know what Tai is! But trying to change the outlooked of the name Tai without awknowleging other Tai people who in ancient times formed this Tai.

Tai isn't for Thai to change the culture and history prospect because Thai isn't all that related to Tai. And yes, Genetic markers even showed those from Bangkok and south of the city aren't even closed to being related to Tai people. Even the King himself isn't Tai.

[SabaiSabai]

You do realise Thai is the national name and Tai Noi is our tribal name right?

And yes southern and central Thai would be less related due to proximity and relations with khmers and malays. Whats your point? northern and issan and actually even some places in central are still very much Tai. There is no PURE Tai in Thailand. But there is still Tai.

As for the comment about Thai are all jek and not Tai... umm... Jek is what you'd call someone who is chinese ie someone from china, right? So where do the Tai tribes come from? thats right... china (or areas of present day china and northern SEA) so in reality arent we all Jek anyway 555

[SuperLanxan]

Issan is Lao. Laos is Lao and we don't care about the word Tai.

I agree and disagree with you. Tai or better yet Tai-Kadai is just a classification of people who are related. Both Laos and Thailand are Tai-Kadai speaking countries. It's like England and Germany. Both countries are Germanic speaking countries. With that being said, both are 2 different countries.

Now, onto the people of Issan. I understand you're pro-Lao and commend you for representing, but we have to be realistic here. Not all people of Issan are Lao. And even if they are, we have to take into account their loyalty. An ethnic Lao from Thailand with a "Thai mentality" is just as Thai to me as any other Thai. We should consider "every Thai", regardless of ethnic affiliation as our enemy.

Here's a simile. If a Japanese took a Chinese kid and raised him up as Japanese, do you think the Chinese kid is going to think of himself as Chinese or Japanese?

Trust me, if a war broke out between Laos and Thailand these same people we consider our "kin" won't hesitate to kill us. So fu-k 'em all.

This post has been edited by SuperLanxan: Dec 11 2010, 07:16 PM