Dalai Lama on China & Marxism, I am a Socialist Options

[boepa]

I’m not anti-China, but half-Buddhist, half-Marxist: Dalai Lama
The Asian Age[Wednesday, April 09, 2003 00:00]
By Tsering Kyinzom

New Delhi, April 8, 2003- Reiterating his stand on "autonomy" over the Tibetan issue, His Holiness the Dalai Lama said, "I am seeking a genuine self-rule for the Tibetans in Tibet which is in our own interest. We have to live side by side with China. This is the reality."

"Our main concern at the moment is the preservation of Tibetan identity, culture, religion and environment, " he said at a press conference organised by Foreign Correspondents Club.

He said he has been trying to reconcile with the Chinese leadership through dialogue for the last ten years. A visit by his delegation to Tibet and China last September will hopefully be followed by another round of talks soon. The date has not been finalised though. The tragedy which happened in Tibet in 1959 was "not a result of civil war or a natural disaster but due to a new guest with guns." He said when Tibetans get a certain degree of freedom, he said he would hand over his authority to the local Tibetan government and the institution of The Dalai Lama may cease to exist if so desired by the people of Tibet. In that case, he will be the last Dalai Lama.

The Dalai Lama plays a significant role in the Tibetan freedom struggle. He said, "The Tibetan people trust me and rely on me. It is my moral responsibility to fulfil their expectations." Rejecting China’s accusation against him of feudalism, he added the 1963 draft constitution of the Dharamsala-based Tibetan government-in-exile states his powers can be abolished by a two-third majority of a democratically-elected government. He said, "I am not anti-China. I am a half-Buddhist, half-Marxist. I am a socialist." When questioned about his view over the Iraqi war, he said, "Non-violence may take a long time but it is the right approach. Suppression is the cause of another problem. It is too early to comment on the result of the war."

The Dalai Lama said it is always better and safer to keep your own religious faith since every religion has the same message.

[SantaKlaws]

I hate socialists.

[Suijen]

I hate socialists.

I take it you don't get hugged a lot.

[RedStarOverChina]

We all know Lhamo Thondup calls himself a "half marxist".

But any real Marxist would call him a complete waste of oxygen!

I hate socialists.

Oh that hurts my feelings so much...

I promise to lose at least 10 seconds of sleep over it.

[boepa]

We all know Lhamo Thondup calls himself a "half marxist".

But any real Marxist would call him a complete waste of oxygen!
Oh that hurts my feelings so much...

I promise to lose at least 10 seconds of sleep over it.

RedStarOverChina I really hope you will read this with an open mind. It does not hurt to acknowledge that His Holiness the Dalai Lama may not be what you assumed him to be.


"Of all the modern economic theories, the economic system of Marxism is
founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned with only with
gain and profitability. Marxism is concerned with the distribution of
wealth on an equal basis and the equitable utilization of the means of production.
It is also concerned with the fate of the working classes--that is the
majority--as well as the with the fate of those who are underprivileged and
in need, and Marxism cares about the victims of minority-imposed
exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and it seems
fair.
I just recently read an article a paper where his holiness the Pope also
pointed out some positive aspects of Marxism...
The failure of the regime in the Soviet Union was, for me not the
failure of Marxism but the failure of totalitarianism. For this reason I think of
myself as half-Marxist, half-Buddhist."

The Dalai Lama in Beyond Dogma: Dialogues and Discourses

[Suijen]

I think the Dalai Lama misinterpretated.

Marxism isn't really founded on equality. More like ANGER!!

Marxism only cares as those are by-products. Everyone under proletariat.

[RedStarOverChina]

Note to boepa:

I dont care what he has to say!

I'm not a Bourgeoisie liberal and I don't believe in the so-called "freedom of speech" (It doesn't exist anyways). Things like religion and fascism has been refuted over and over again--there is simply no room for further discussion.

I think all theocrats and fascists should be shot on the spot in which they were first seen.

Through out history we are dazzled by men who say the most marvelous things while committing the most horrendous crimes against humanity.

Popes, Dalai Lamas, Prohets, you name it. Buddha-damn-it, they were all liars! When will people ever learn? The Bubble never bursts for you, does it?

No matter what kind of $hit we landed in listening to those words of the the "wise sages", we are still going to "turn the other cheek" to our oppressors and once again fall for their fu-king lies!

[Suijen]

^ Why are you so angry?

[boepa]

Note to RedStarOverChina:

Have you really considered therapy? I thought our disagreement was due to your ideological and principled leanings and that we could have a serious discussion. Therefore, I was trying to project the different aspect of the issues that you raise.

But you are proving yourself to be, let me put this mildly, a "nut" case. I guess discussion with you will go nowhere for you end up going round and avoiding the issues that I raise.

Note to boepa:

I dont care what he has to say!

I'm not a Bourgeoisie liberal and I don't believe in the so-called "freedom of speech" (It doesn't exist anyways). Things like religion and fascism has been refuted over and over again--there is simply no room for further discussion.

I think all theocrats and fascists should be shot on the spot in which they were first seen.

Through out history we are dazzled by men who say the most marvelous things while committing the most horrendous crimes against humanity.

Popes, Dalai Lamas, Prohets, you name it. Buddha-damn-it, they were all liars! When will people ever learn? The Bubble never bursts for you, does it?

No matter what kind of $hit we landed in listening to those words of the the "wise sages", we are still going to "turn the other cheek" to our oppressors and once again fall for their fu-king lies!

[RedStarOverChina]

I think the Dalai Lama misinterpretated. 

Marxism isn't really founded on equality.  More like ANGER!!

Marxism only cares as those are by-products.  Everyone under proletariat.

Is this sarcasm or is this your understanding of Marxism?

^ Why are you so angry?

I'm pissed cuz this theocracy thing has been going on for way too long. I should think 2000 years is more than enough of a "trial period". Time to take out the trash.

Like I said, I consider religion my enemy...In many ways I consider it even a greater threat than capitalism.

[Suijen]

^ Because it's reactionary?

[wRiter Reverie]

^People tend to not tolerate things that go against their own views - some more than others.

Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's just to show-off.

[RedStarOverChina]

I thought our disagreement was due to your ideological and principled leanings and that we could have a serious discussion

Oh honey it doesnt get more serious than this.

Anything I provide, you either dismiss it as "Chinese propaganda" or ignore it completely.

But you are proving yourself to be, let me put this mildly, a "nut" case.

At least I'm not a cult-worshipper and a kissass of Dalai.

I guess discussion with you will go nowhere for you end up going round and avoiding the issues that I raise.

Seems to me you avoided mentioning which one of your arguments have i avoided.

[RedStarOverChina]

^ Because it's reactionary?

You could say so...considering that it is a product of feudalism---which is definatly worse than capitalism.

[Suijen]

You two should get married.