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Besides the headdress and sewing patterns their clothing is almost identical to traditional northern Vietnamese clothing.
Which means our dress didn't really change much even when being separated and influenced by Chinese for so long. This goes to prove
that maybe Chinese didn't really influence us as much as we'd thought.
Especially our looks. We're pretty much identical in looks with Muong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuwAYCp3MyM...feature=related
@4:22

Take the pink cut up ao dai she's wearing off and the dress closely resembles the above.

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Videos of Muong Ethnic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tlsM4ObHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDb78OAsaQs...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDAe8Ccxn5I...feature=related

This post has been edited by thumbsUp: Jul 10 2010, 12:10 AM

[XigonCongchua]

Some Mường girls have chubby face like Tày girls but others have skinny face like Kinh girls.

[XigonCongchua]

I wish these pics are larger so we can see them better

[XigonCongchua]

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[daxas24]

Their traditional costume looks very similar to Áo Tứ Thân.
If the Muong was actually closer to the original viet than kinh. Does that mean we were actually Tai?

Since they worship Âu Cơ but not Lạc Long Quân, so they could be more Âu Việt than Lạc Việt while Kinh are more Lạc Việt than Âu Việt

[XigonCongchua]

The second girl from the left looks like Malay. Maybe she got mixed with the Cham. The rest can pass for Viet.

[daxas24]

The second girl from the left looks like Malay. Maybe she got mixed with the Cham. The rest can pass for Viet.

don't say that, she may look malay but it doesn't mean she's mixed with cham.
There are always some australoids genes in their bloodline.

Muong is never in contact with Cham in their history

[XigonCongchua]

don't say that, she may look malay but it doesn't mean she's mixed with cham.
There are always some australoids genes in their bloodline.

Muong is never in contact with Cham in their history

There are lots of Muong live in Thanh Hoa which was once the border of Viet land and Cham land



But yea, she could have Australoid somewhere in her bloodline. Other Muong girls don't look Malay though.

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Their traditional costume looks very similar to Áo Tứ Thân.
If the Muong was actually closer to the original viet than kinh. Does that mean we were actually Tai?

Since they worship Âu Cơ but not Lạc Long Quân, so they could be more Âu Việt than Lạc Việt while Kinh are more Lạc Việt than Âu Việt

Oh so theyyy were the 50 bros that left with mother.

Are you saying Au is Tai while Lac is something else? Or both are different Tai tribes?

[XigonCongchua]

You know there are some Zhuang that live further north than Viet people but they still look more Australoid than Viet.
http://www.lirivertour.com/Guilin-travel-g...uang-people.htm
http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/html...itions1978.html

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You know there are some Zhuang that live further north than Viet people but they still look more Australoid than Viet.
http://www.lirivertour.com/Guilin-travel-g...uang-people.htm
http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/html...itions1978.html

Not this again. lol

Well if we follow our legends on our origins and we came from right below Yangtze river than that would explain why they look more south than us.
Cause they were always located south east China and south west China. If we were above and moved down then.. maybe that's why we look more north.

But lets avoid these discussions. More about Muong less about Tai and China.

[daxas24]

There are lots of Muong live in Thanh Hoa which was once the border of Viet land and Cham land



But yea, she could have Australoid somewhere in her bloodline. Other Muong girls don't look Malay though.

Nghe An, Ha Tinh have always been vietnamese.

Cham civilisation started in Danang. Their territory reached as far as Quang Binh.
Thanh Hoa is a few hundreds Kms north of Quang Binh

[XigonCongchua]

You know there are some Zhuang that live further north than Viet people but they still look more Australoid than Viet.
http://www.lirivertour.com/Guilin-travel-g...uang-people.htm
http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/html...itions1978.html

The Âu Việt folks were ancestors of the Tày people. Ethnic Tày in Cao Bằng still got a whole legend about Thục Phán. They claim him to be their leader.

Mường people however seemed be part of the Lạc Việt tribe.


You know something interesting? Tày, Kinh, Mường, and even the Zhuang in Guangxi all got their own versions of the legends about Sơn Tinh, Thủy Tinh, and Thục Phán, each version is told within that ethnic's own perspective. The Zhuang version is the one that got messed up most.


Viet version (summary)

The 18th Hung king of Văn Lang (home of Lạc Việt tribe) had a beautiful daughter named Mỵ Nương. King Thục of Âu Việt tribe wanted to marry her but King Hùng was afraid that King Thục would use this marriage to seize the throne, so he hastily opened a contest to select a son in law. Then one morning two extraordinary men came to the court and competed with each other for the hand of the princess. One was Sơn Tinh, lord of the mountains, the other one was thủy tinh, lord of the sea (It should be noted that thủy tinh is portrayed as evil and sơn tinh is portrayed as good). Then in the end sơn tinh won and married the princess. Thủy tinh got angry and the two fought but thủy tinh still couldn't get the princess.

King Thuc was mad that King Hung didn't marry the princess to him. So he told his son Thục Phán to revenge. Later when Văn Lang declined, Thục Phán took this opportunity to conquer it, merge the two Lac Viet and Au Viet tribes together and named the country Âu Lạc (which was pretty short-lived). Âu Lạc later was conquered by Triệu Đà (and you all know the famous Mị Châu - Trọng Thủy story)


Muong version

I don't remember the details but basically the Muong version starts out with some brilliant little boy who lost his mother. Then they give accounts of his childhood and how he grows up to become an extraordinary man. They call him Thánh Tản Viên. Then one day he hears the King is selecting husband for his beautiful daughter, so he goes to the capital and compete with some monster from the sea. In the end he wins the competition and marries the princess.

Ok if you notice that man named Tản Viên in Muong folk tale is obviously Sơn Tinh in Kinh folk tale. But you can see the two groups tell the story from two different perspective. The Kinh version starts out with King Hung and the royal court. The Muong version starts out with the little boy.


Tay version

In short, Tay version gives account of Thục Phán's childhood (which Kinh version doesn't), how he pacified nearby tribal leaders and finally conquered Văn Lang. They don't give accounts of other events


Zhuang version

This is I read from a website. It seems to be a combination of Sơn Tinh-Thủy Tinh and Mị Châu-Trọng Thủy but the chronological order and the characters totally got messed up.

According to the Zhuang tale, Nan Yue king had a precious sword and offered it to the Xi Ou (Tây Âu) king as a present. Xi Ou king then wanted to offer that sword to the Luo Yue (Lac Viet) king as a token of friendship. So the Xi Ou king ordered his son to bring the sword to the Lac Viet king. When the Xi Ou prince came to the palace of the Lac Viet, he saw a sea monster forcing the Lac Viet princess to marry it (see how it's similar to Mị Nương-Thủy Tinh?). But finally the Lac Viet princess defeated the sea monster with her martial art and used its claw to make a magic crossbow (sounds famliar? in Viet legend, Cao Lỗ used the claw of a divine sea turtle to make a magic crossbow) ...There were some more details but anyway, the Xi Ou prince offered the sword to the Lac Viet king and the Lac Viet king let him marry the princess...Ok from this part on, it just turns out to be similar to our Mi Chau-Trong Thuy story. Except that in our Mi Chau-Trong Thủy, the prince was really guilty. In the Zhuang version, they say the Xi Ou king died so the Xi Ou prince asked for permission to return to his country. The sea monster wanted to revenge so he took the appearance of the Xi Ou prince and tricked the princess into giving it the magic crossbow...Ok I forgot what happened next but basically it was like Mi Chau-Trong Thuy, and in the end both the princess and the prince died.


What I feel is as if the Zhuang took out different parts from our legends and combined it into one story. But they tell everything under the perspective of the Xi Ou (Tây Âu) prince while we tell everything under the perspective Lac Viet people.

[MisterPopo]

Hey Xigon post more pictures from you or you mon I'm bored

[XigonCongchua]

LOL in our story, we say the prince, Trọng Thủy, was really guilty. He purposely tricked the princess into giving him the magic crossbow then fled back to his country. To us, the princess was the innocent one.

In Zhuang version, they got some sea monster faking the prince to trick the princess and cause some misunderstanding. To them the prince was innocent.


It should be noted that in our version, the prince was son of Triệu Đà (Zhou Tuo), but in their version the prince was a Xi Ou prince, different from Zhao Tuo's prince.

In our version, Mi Nuong and Mi Chau are two totally different princesses. The first one (Mi Nuong) was pursued by the evil lord of the sea (thủy tinh) but the lord of mountains (sơn tinh) defeated him and married the princess. The second one (Mi Chau) married a foreign prince and got tricked into giving away the crossbow to the enemy.
In the Zhuang version, the two princesses got merged into one.

This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Jul 10 2010, 02:14 AM

[XigonCongchua]

Hey Xigon post more pictures from you or you mon I'm bored

Get lost jerk.

Nghe An, Ha Tinh have always been vietnamese.

Cham civilisation started in Danang. Their territory reached as far as Quang Binh.
Thanh Hoa is a few hundreds Kms north of Quang Binh

Nhật Nam (Renan) was not Viet land initially. When the Han conquered us they only got Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) and Cửu Chân (Jiuzhen). Nhật Nam got added in later. It was known as a place with many Cham people. The point is both Muong and Kinh got contact with the Cham.

This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Jul 10 2010, 05:45 PM

[MisterPopo]

get more pictures from you is more fun

[XigonCongchua]

get more pictures from you is more fun

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