How well we accept each other present? Options

[Satay]

In the rank of 1(Nil) till 10 (Full), how well do you think the 3 major ethnic groups of Malaysia accepting each other present or recognizing each other present.......in the name of sharing and contributing after May 13 1969. I am not trying to provoke any racist dispute but just wanted to gauge the truth of race unity......anyone care to rank?

[samheisfl]

Based to my experience, i will give 9. dont ask me y.

[yana19384]

10..y? cos its the thought that counts...

[malaccan]

Among my circle of friends, between 7 to 9. Depending on social class and location. There are many true Malaysians in the urban centres of KL, Penang, and JB. People of the same social class will always find common grounds with each other irrespective of their race. A poor Malay will understand the frustrations of a poor Chinese. A rich Indian will appreciate the finr things to life as a rich Chinese.
Race relations in Malaysia is just too convuluted. Have you read the Malay dilemma by Mahathir? Recently there was a book written by a Chinese Malaysian called the 'Chinese dilemma' as well. Essential reading for Malaysians.

[Satay]

................Recently there was a book written by a Chinese Malaysian called the 'Chinese dilemma' as well. Essential reading for Malaysians.

Was it released recently? Who is the author?...Hope it is not Uncle Lim LiongSik coz all he can said was..."Errr...err....apa nama....err....errr.." 2

[caramel]

Based on experience, I would rate 8. I have a good spread of Chinese, Malay and Indian friends.

Based on my surroundings, I would rate 6. Why did I put it that low? It's because there are some immature people who kept asking me why do I have quite plenty of Malay and Indian friends.

If you asked me that same question 10 years ago, I would rate 10. I think that with the help of politicians, the racial tolerance is getting lesser.

But anyway, thanks for sharing the books. I think I'll get some of them myself when I am back in M'sia.

[rx7boy]

heh.. how do we rate it actually? base on communication? tolerance? trustworthy?

hmm.. if I sum up and make an average from my experience, I would rate 8.37.

Because nobody is perfect. There are still some people in Malaysia just being selfish. no tolerance, always make negative assumption and so on.

But what I'm afraid of the most are "Backstabbers". Talk nice infront of you , but at the back they spit on you.. so dangerous..dangerous..

[caramel]

I rate them based on communication and cultural tolerance.

[Iron Malayan]

hmm.. if I sum up and make an average from my experience, I would rate 8.37.

Hehe. Nice number.

This is my rating :

8.0444

[forrestcat]

Even in Singapore where they supposedly say the 3 races are in harmony and equal with each other, we see Singaporean bloggers flaming racial hatred against each other. Like the Benjamin guy who wrote awful demeaning things about the Malays and he had Malay friends, this event seems to have cast doubt over the maturity of Singaporeans. What about Malaysia, where as we know the malay rights is somehow creating inter racial enmities, what about us?Are we mature than the Singaporeans?

Maybe we put up good faces when we are mixing with each other, but when we are among our own races , i think u all know what we say about each other when we do,So sad.

I say a 6.We still have along road ahead of us.

This post has been edited by forrestcat: Oct 9 2005, 09:54 AM

[Iron Malayan]

But what I'm afraid of the most are "Backstabbers". Talk nice infront of you , but at the back they spit on you.. so dangerous..dangerous..

What about Malaysia, where as we know the malay rights is somehow creating inter racial enmities,

Whether there are Malay rights or not, backstabbers will always be backstabbers. Ppl never change. We just have to be wary all the time; just as we have always been.

[johnleemk]

I'd say it's more around 5 or 6. That's not to say I don't have non-racist friends - I do. I pride myself on having a wide spectrum of friends. I know Sikhs, Sinhalese, Chinese, Eurasians, Indians and, compared to many of my friends, helluva lot of Malays and Indonesians.

In my opinion we have a long, long way to go when it comes to national integration. We can all interact, but when it comes to forming friendships, we fall short. I might be the only guy in my class to have had Malay best friends. I blame the vernacular school system for this. My Chinese-educated friends suffer a lot of problems just talking to Indians, let alone befriending them. In secondary school, there are four cliques formed - those from national schools with friends of many races; Malays who didn't get to know many non-Malays in primary school; the Chinese-educated; and the Indians who didn't get to know many non-Indians in primary school.

I've discussed this with my friends, and they share my observations. I've also chatted about this via IM and real life with Chinese-educated friends of mine, who resoundingly agree they face problems relating with Malays and Indians. I also find that there are very, very few intelligent and mature Malays in national secondary schools; it seems most of them, including many of my best friends in primary school, have gone off to the Malay junior colleges. I find this very saddening.

It is not enough to merely tolerate and accept one another. We must learn to form deep and strong friendships with those of other races, and this is where most of us fall short. If we are to build a Malaysian nation, and not a Malay & Chinese & Indian nation, there are no short-cuts. We must travel the road that has not been taken oh so many times in places from Rwanda to Yugoslavia, and build national unity through the bonds of friendship and brotherhood.

In primary school, such emotions were palpable - as I've found many national school students believe. We knew nothing of race; knew nothing of discrimination; knew nothing of a social contract. All we knew was that we were Malaysian. And sadly, from my experiences discoursing online with many Malays and Chinese, the same cannot be said for many else.

[malaccan]

I'd say it's more around 5 or 6. That's not to say I don't have non-racist friends - I do. I pride myself on having a wide spectrum of friends. I know Sikhs, Sinhalese, Chinese, Eurasians, Indians and, compared to many of my friends, helluva lot of Malays and Indonesians.

In my opinion we have a long, long way to go when it comes to national integration. We can all interact, but when it comes to forming friendships, we fall short. I might be the only guy in my class to have had Malay best friends. I blame the vernacular school system for this. My Chinese-educated friends suffer a lot of problems just talking to Indians, let alone befriending them. In secondary school, there are four cliques formed - those from national schools with friends of many races; Malays who didn't get to know many non-Malays in primary school; the Chinese-educated; and the Indians who didn't get to know many non-Indians in primary school.

I've discussed this with my friends, and they share my observations. I've also chatted about this via IM and real life with Chinese-educated friends of mine, who resoundingly agree they face problems relating with Malays and Indians. I also find that there are very, very few intelligent and mature Malays in national secondary schools; it seems most of them, including many of my best friends in primary school, have gone off to the Malay junior colleges. I find this very saddening.

It is not enough to merely tolerate and accept one another. We must learn to form deep and strong friendships with those of other races, and this is where most of us fall short. If we are to build a Malaysian nation, and not a Malay & Chinese & Indian nation, there are no short-cuts. We must travel the road that has not been taken oh so many times in places from Rwanda to Yugoslavia, and build national unity through the bonds of friendship and brotherhood.

In primary school, such emotions were palpable - as I've found many national school students believe. We knew nothing of race; knew nothing of discrimination; knew nothing of a social contract. All we knew was that we were Malaysian. And sadly, from my experiences discoursing online with many Malays and Chinese, the same cannot be said for many else.

we have to lead the way for others to follow johnleemk. You know that there many Malaysians who freely I also remember the patriotism we felt in primary and even secondary school up to Form three were palplable amongst all the races. I myself went to an all-Malay boarding school after PMR exams. It was great to be in a new environment, but it was also an eye-opener to mix with people form other parts pf the country. Not all Malays are urban, middle class and english-speaking. Not many have close friendships with non-Malays. At theb boarding school I was at, no one was rascist towards other races, but many certainly do have very limited interactions even because of where they were brought up.

I know for a fact that there are many many Malaysians out there who only see ourselves as Malaysians. we can make rascicts jokes about lazy Malays, kiasu Chinese, untrustworthy Indians and so one, and we will all laugh at each other. That is why I don't take heart at all when some people diss Malays because the reason they do that is due to their ignorance. You must know that some of the friendlest, easy-going and welcoming people in the world are Malays, a trait we share with many other natives of southeast Asia. And likewise, the business acumen and diligence of the Chinese is something that all Malaysians need to learn from.

[Satay]

I was thinking that probably a true intergrated society would be possible by having inter-racial marriage; that will eventually create a truly Malaysian generation. But, again looking at the back ground of each individual .....that possibility will never happen as long as the polarization exist.

[Iron Malayan]

I was thinking that probably a true intergrated society would be possible by having inter-racial marriage;

No. Please, no

[yana19384]

let me tell you people out there!!!

MY BIRTHDAY FALLS ON SUNDAY MARCH 19 2006

AND BE SURE TO LET ME BE RECEIVING AS MANY GIFTS AS YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME...LOL


im going to make sure my parents will throw me a big birthday party again next year...woohooo!!!

[rx7boy]

^Lol thats sooo off-topic.. 2

[malaccan]

let me tell you people out there!!!

MY BIRTHDAY FALLS ON SUNDAY MARCH 19 2006

AND BE SURE TO LET ME BE RECEIVING AS MANY GIFTS AS YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME...LOL


im going to make sure my parents will throw me a big birthday party again next year...woohooo!!!

LOL. This is so off-topic! And blatant self-promotion. Nakal ye.
But in case I am not around that time next year, happy birthday yana! Wooot!!

[caramel]

Yea. So off-topic. Hehe. Are you gonna invite me to your party yana?

[yana19384]

hehehe...of course...everybody is invited...its just that im so happy that i'll be celebrating it back home...cos ive celebrated it once away from home and i hate it so very much...cos i didnt receive presents from my parents and my aunties and uncles...and that kind of really stink

so next year i'll make sure we'll throw a big party so everyone can come and have great fun...since i'll be coming home for good yay!!!