why do mongolians hate chinese? Options

[iluvlamp]

I don't understand why mongolians dislike chinese...we're basically the same people by blood...My relatives were manchurians and my dad was a descendant of khan and so are a lot of other chinese people, so then why do mongolians think chinese are so different from them?

[CTM2000]

I'm pretty sure stealing half of someone's country is not going to make you well-liked.

[MyEmpireSparta]

As if anyone cares

[Likeavirgin]

I don't understand why mongolians dislike chinese...we're basically the same people by blood...My relatives were manchurians and my dad was a descendant of khan and so are a lot of other chinese people, so then why do mongolians think chinese are so different from them?

1. Mongolians and Chinese aren't the same by blood. Are you and SE Asians the same by blood? Sure, but you don't seek solidarity with them do you?
2. Stealing half of someone's land ring a bell? How did Chinese feel about the Mongols in the Yuan dynasty, the Manchus during the Qing?
3. yhellothar, quit with this $hit, it's embarrassing.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 08:24 AM

[iluvlamp]

1. Mongolians and Chinese aren't the same by blood. Are you and SE Asians the same by blood? Sure, but you don't seek solidarity with them do you?
2. Stealing half of someone's land ring a bell? How did Chinese feel about the Mongols in the Yuan dynasty, the Manchus during the Qing?
3. yhellothar, quit with this $hit, it's embarrassing.

would mongolians rather have white people take their land or east asians? What is the chinese government doing to mongolians? Are they making them slaves?

[Likeavirgin]

would mongolians rather have white people take their land or east asians?

If you consider Russians white, then they'd rather have whites take their land.

What is the chinese government doing to mongolians? Are they making them slaves?

Yup. Maybe educate yourself why Mongolians hate Chinese before you are all in this East Asian unity thing, because Mongolians aren't East Asian, they're North Asian. Chinese descended around the areas of central China and southeast Asia, worlds away from where Mongolians descended from, Northern Asia.

Do yourself a favor and read:
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/Altan...050th%20ann.htm

Tibetans hate Chinese, Uyghurs hate Chinese, Mongols hate Chinese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese hate Chinese, and Vietnamese and Filipinos are beginning to hate Chinese. Maybe you don't sense a pattern, and it's not all on "OMG WESTERN MEDIA AGAINST CHINA SUXORZZ" like you think yhellothar.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 01:45 PM

[iluvlamp]

If you consider Russians white, then they'd rather have whites take their land.



Yup. Maybe educate yourself why Mongolians hate Chinese before you are all in this East Asian unity thing, because Mongolians aren't East Asian, they're North Asian. Chinese descended around the areas of central China and southeast Asia, worlds away from where Mongolians descended from, Northern Asia.

Do yourself a favor and read:
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/Altan...050th%20ann.htm

Tibetans hate Chinese, Uyghurs hate Chinese, Mongols hate Chinese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese hate Chinese, and Vietnamese and Filipinos are beginning to hate Chinese. Maybe you don't sense a pattern, and it's not all on "OMG WESTERN MEDIA AGAINST CHINA SUXORZZ" like you think yhellothar.

it depends on what region. Souther chinese are a lot different from northern chinese. You can't group all chinese people as one ethnic group....china has the most diversity of any east asian country. From what you say I hope none of my korean, japanese, and viet friends don't hate me just bc i am chinese....i have a joke with one of my korean friends that we were seperated at birth bc we look so much alike....I don't see why people have to focus so much on differences and not similiarities.

Is anyone here even mongolian?

[Likeavirgin]

it depends on what region. Souther chinese are a lot different from northern chinese. You can't group all chinese people as one ethnic group....china has the most diversity of any east asian country. From what you say I hope none of my korean, japanese, and viet friends don't hate me just bc i am chinese....i have a joke with one of my korean friends that we were seperated at birth bc we look so much alike....I don't see why people have to focus so much on differences and not similiarities.

Chinese are all Chinese to us.

See this girl? She seems to think there's a clear difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. But to us, they're all black:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgUIInzDMQ

Same with Chinese. Chinese is Chinese is Chinese.

Is anyone here even mongolian?

thehorsemen and some others. They're not fond of Chinese at all.

[iluvlamp]

Chinese are all Chinese to us.

See this girl? She seems to think there's a clear difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. But to us, they're all black:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgUIInzDMQ

Same with Chinese. Chinese is Chinese is Chinese.



thehorsemen and some others. They're not fond of Chinese at all.

then ughyrs, siberians, muslims, etc... are all chinese from what YOU said obviously there is a difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. Can you compare someone like Nicole Richie to wesley snipes? No, bc society treats them differently based on how they look. The same with chinese. anti-chinese always use southern chinese as an example for the whole of china but they don't realize who big china is and how much diversity there is. It's not like in mongolia, japan, or korea where EVERYBODY looks the same. China is a mixed bag and other ethnicities live there with more tolerance than any western country has ever had in the past. Even during WW2 jews took asylum in shanghai. Muslims also live peacefully in china without being persecuted or treated like "terrorists", it's mogolia's and tibet's own fault that they never established an advanced civilization and are poor.

I really don't think you should be speaking on behalf of mongolians when you are not one...

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 7 2009, 02:37 PM

[Likeavirgin]

then ughyrs, siberians, muslims, etc... are all chinese from what YOU said

They are Chinese by nationality, much like I am American by nationality only. The "Chinese" we refer to is Han. It is ethical to protest along with them to support their resistance to assimilation and their resistance to be forced to extinction by the Han majority.

obviously there is a difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. Can you compare someone like Nicole Richie to wesley snipes? No, bc society treats them differently based on how they look.

Nicole Richie is multiracial. light skinned vs dark skinned black would be Denzel Washington vs. Don Cheadle. They are still black to people.

The same with chinese. anti-chinese always use southern chinese as an example for the whole of china but they don't realize who big china is and how much diversity there is.

If anything, northern Chinese are the most racist.

it's mogolia's and tibet's own fault that they never established an advanced civilization and are poor.

Much like how British and whites colonized Asia for being a lot weaker in the past and took advantage of their poverty?

I really don't think you should be speaking on behalf of mongolians when you are not one...

Actually it's you who want to speak on behalf of mongolians and question their right for sovereignty. I only show support for their people.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 02:59 PM

[iluvlamp]

They are Chinese by nationality, much like I am American by nationality only. The "Chinese" we refer to is Han. It is ethical to protest along with them to support their resistance to assimilation and their resistance to be forced to extinction by the Han majority.
Han is a mixture of different ethnicities and each person has a different degree of mixture. You can't compare the south to the north to the west to the east bc geography has more to do with it than 1.3 billion people as a whole.

Nicole Richie is multiracial. light skinned vs dark skinned black would be Denzel Washington vs. Don Cheadle. They are still black to people.
you obviously know nothing about african americans bc most of them are mixed to some degree. it just depends on what the degree is. let's compare vanessa williams to don cheadle - both of them were born to black mothers and fathers.

If anything, northern Chinese are the most racist.
Everyone wants to point to finger at chinese for being racist when we have eurocentrists and koreans, japanese, and mongolians all saying chinese are inferior and derived differently from other east asian countries. They create stupid theories about how white people showed chinese how to build civilization or how all chinese are black...yeah, we're the racists....

Much like how British and whites colonized Asia for being a lot weaker in the past and took advantage of their poverty?
white's never colonized china as much as they've tried. And as more people saying that mongolians would rather have russians colonize them than chinese, that's laughable. Russians would treat mongolians no better or worse than china would. At least china has tried developing mongolia even if it was for PR. Russia would just suck it dry without even making an attempt to develop. Look at chechnaya and all the hate crimes in russia against kazakhs and other asians. I'm sure Russia would LOVE to exploit mongolia for it's resources but their relationship with China is too good. Face it, mongolians are more related to chinese than russians. Russians don't even like admitting their miniscule mongoloid blood and prefer to be called caucasian.

Actually it's you who want to speak on behalf of mongolians and question their right for sovereignty. I only show support for their people.
I simply asked questions regarding mongolians and no actual mongolians replied I never said that they liked/dislike chinese but you seem to think they all hate chinese and that we are the enemy. You should show support by donating money and labor instead of bashing people with questions and sounding like a douchey hippie. Might i ask what your race is?

There's no denying that leaders of china in the past have done terrible things (my grandparents witnessed this first hant) but chinese are pragmatic people and they don't cling to the past. They are more interested in securing the future and making life better. The china you see today is NOT the china of the past and all these horrible things that happened to mongolians happened many years ago.

Westerners seek spiritual enlightenment and romanticize Tibetan and mongolian poverty. China has become capitalist, which plenty find offensive: China-bashing is the new anti-capitalism. Inexpensive Chinese exports, which keep prices down for U.S. consumers, are strangely seen as harmful. And there must be some element of traditional racism in this too.

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 7 2009, 05:52 PM

[Likeavirgin]

Han is a mixture of different ethnicities and each person has a different degree of mixture. You can't compare the south to the north to the west to the east bc geography has more to do with it than 1.3 billion people as a whole.

If only they knew that...

it just depends on what the degree is. let's compare vanessa williams to don cheadle - both of them were born to black mothers and fathers.

Both of Vanessa William's parents are both half white and half black. A person is black if his parents and his grandparents are black, as the standard rule of thumb. Same goes for ethnicities.

Everyone wants to point to finger at chinese for being racist when we have eurocentrists and koreans, japanese, and mongolians all saying chinese are inferior and derived differently from other east asian countries. They create stupid theories about how white people showed chinese how to build civilization or how all chinese are black...yeah, we're the racists.... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

The racism goes both ways. You see many "Han" nationalists here that hate other asians just as well, china_waffenSS, LTY, dtl88, MyEmpire, and his Cantonese buddy as well. You said before that Chinese are mixed, especially Southern Chinese, but MyEmpire's and his Cantonese buddy fail to see and acknowledge that so they take the piss on other ethnicities. You never see so much hatred that MyEmpire and his Cantonese friend would make so many accounts just to bash Japanese, Koreans, ethnic Taiwanese with aboriginal blood, and Vietnamese and Southeast Asians. You don't see much of other ethnics making random accounts just to do it to Chinese, do you?

Much like how British and whites colonized Asia for being a lot weaker in the past and took advantage of their poverty?
white's never colonized china as much as they've tried. And as more people saying that mongolians would rather have russians colonize them than chinese, that's laughable. Russians would treat mongolians no better or worse than china would. At least china has tried developing mongolia even if it was for PR. Russia would just suck it dry without even making an attempt to develop. Look at chechnaya and all the hate crimes in russia against kazakhs and other asians. I'm sure Russia would LOVE to exploit mongolia for it's resources but their relationship with China is too good. Face it, mongolians are more related to chinese than russians. Russians don't even like admitting their miniscule mongoloid blood and prefer to be called caucasian.

The point is that Mongolians do not like Communism and living under a corrupt government and country that discriminates and tries to 'ethnically cleanse' them. I think for Mongolians, their best interest is for independence and sovereignty.

I simply asked questions regarding mongolians and no actual mongolians replied I never said that they liked/dislike chinese but you seem to think they all hate chinese and that we are the enemy. You should show support by donating money and labor instead of bashing people with questions and sounding like a douchey hippie. Might i ask what your race is?

I never bashed people. Also, I am Hmong from Hubei, I know what racism from Han Chinese is, and they show it to anyone who isn't Han and who isn't white. I've dealt with racism from fellow Han Chinese first hand, so please don't talk as if Chinese is high and mighty about accepting other races.

I am against this racism and totalitarianism from an expansionist, racist regime from Chinese and their government. I hope for the freedom of Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, and Taiwan. I know you never experienced any discrimination and hatred from fellow Han Chinese, but please understand the situation from a minority point of view. I can compare it to living in America, whites deny much racism towards asians, but we all know better.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 06:05 PM

[Shyn]

You people should really stop spreading the sinophobia. I'm pretty sure most people of Mongol descent living in Inner or Outer Mongolia do not actually have the same level of hatred of Chinese people as a lot of you here seem to express so frequently and unnessesarily. The Russians' colonization of the territory around the vicinity of Lake Baikal and "Northern Mongolia" isn't as justify nor as fair as far European imperialism is to be concern. The Chinese and "Manchurians" have been inhabiting Inner Mongolia for a very long time since like the Khitan, Jurchen, and Yuan's dynasty, hence a majority presence of them there today. The Russians on the other hand came as cossacks and hostile invaders in the "Age of Discovery" to devastate and plunder everything to the ground and in the process of their warmonger conquering/expansionism, a lot of Mongols and other indiginous inhabitants have been killed ruthlessly in the same manner as Native Americans have been hunted down. By the way, ethics East Asian and North Asian is basically the same considering the fact that they share a common origin somewhere around southern Siberia and geopolitically, North Asia only comprise the Russian's Siberia and Far East so Mongolia is more East Asian like China, Japan, and Korea. They even share the same latitude.... Honestly, what exactly is the major physiognomical difference between Mongolians and Chinese, Koreans, and the Japanese? Not much, and like that light skin African girl who is deemed black. European societies and White America in general also deemed Mongolians to be "Chinese" as well in an informal/colloquial setting. =p

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 06:14 PM

[Likeavirgin]

You people should really stop spreading the sinophobia. I'm pretty sure most people of Mongol descent living in Inner or Outer Mongolia do not actually have the same level of hatred of Chinese people as a lot of you here seem to express so frequently and unnessesarily.

There is no sinophobia spreading. I never outright said "You gotta fear the Chinese!" I stated facts. I'm also sure the people of Tibet and Xinjiang love to be under Chinese rule.

By the way, East Asia and North Asia is basically the same considering the fact that they share a common origin somewhere around southern Siberia

No they don't. Mongolians share common origin with Tungus from Northern Asia (Derision of C3), Chinese race came from Central O3, which came from Central China and Southeastern Asia. Do you consider people in Malaysia to be the same as you? Then Mongolians do not. Do you think Han Chinese look like this? Have you even seen Han that look like this?

and geopolitically, North Asia only comprise the Russian's Siberia and Far East so Mongolia is more East Asian like China, Japan, and Korea. They even share the same latitude.... Honestly, what exactly is the major physiognomical difference between Mongolians and Chinese, Koreans, and the Japanese? Not much, and like that light skin African girl who is deemed black. European societies and White America in general also deemed Mongolians to be "Chinese" as well in an informal/colloquial setting. =p

How do you feel about Southeast Asians and their relation to Chinese? Too different? Not like Korea, Mongolia, and Japan, right? In fact, various studies by Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese scientists place Chinese the closest to Southeastern Asians genetically, and farther away from Tungus, however, you still treat Miao and other Southeast Asians like $hit.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 06:32 PM

[iluvlamp]

There is no sinophobia spreading. I never outright said "You gotta fear the Chinese!" I stated facts. I'm also sure the people of Tibet and Xinjiang love to be under Chinese rule.



No they don't. Mongolians share common origin with Tungus from Northern Asia (Derision of C3), Chinese race came from Central O3, which came from Central China and Southeastern Asia. Do you consider people in Malaysia to be the same as you? Then Mongolians do not. Do you think Han Chinese that look like this? Have you e













How do you feel about Southeast Asians and their relation to Chinese? Too different? Not like Korea, Mongolia, and Japan, right? In fact, various studies by Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese scientists place Chinese the closest to Southeastern Asians genetically, and farther away from Tungus, however, you still treat Miao and other Southeast Asians like $hit.

there are some hardcore han supremacists but that is the minority. Most of us here value unity between ALL asians and want peace. I for one have nothing against other asians but you seem to think that china is the evil one when korea and japan also view s.e. asians as inferior. I am not full Han chinese, I'm also manchurian/mongolian. A lot of my relatives have similar features to the people you posted (i've even seen some s.e. asians who look like that). Like I said, china is a melting pot. Like I said, there's a difference in genetics between north and south chinese. I have never treated any miao like $hit, you are generalizing for what the government has done in the past and applying it to ALL chinese. If you were to walk on the street I'd think you were just another regular chinese person. Stop acting like the victim - you're no better or worse than us.

haha you want taiwan to have soveriegnty? it's like saying manhatten should be their own country! That's the most rediculous thing i've ever heard considering most taiwanese are the "han" people who you seem to hate.

how about instead of talking about the tiny differences we asians all have, you focus on the broader similarities and start trying to unify instead of conflicting with other asian races. I am chinese and I probably like white people least of all. They love seperating china from the rest of the world so everyone attacks us. That is just what they want: for east asians to fight amongst each other instead of improving our countries. They want the western hemisphere to stay on top so they make up stupid conflicts.

[Likeavirgin]

there are some hardcore han supremacists but that is the minority. Most of us here value unity between ALL asians and want peace. I for one have nothing against other asians but you seem to think that china is the evil one when korea and japan also view s.e. asians as inferior.

I don't care about Korea and Japan, much like I do not care about France and Germany. They aren't the growing threat that China is. I do wish that Japan and Korea will be able to keep their distinct civilzations, lest it be a shame if China came to absorb them through unethical means.

I am not full Han chinese, I'm also manchurian/mongolian. A lot of my relatives have similar features to the people you posted (i've even seen some s.e. asians who look like that). Like I said, china is a melting pot.

Ask Han Chinese if they think they look like that. Ask myempire if he thinks Chinese look like that. They don't. Also, I've seen some Han Chinese that looked Filipino, but ask them if they think they look Filipino. They don't.

Like I said, there's a difference in genetics between north and south chinese. I have never treated any miao like $hit, you are generalizing for what the
government has done in the past and applying it to ALL chinese. If you were to walk on the street I'd think you were just another regular chinese person. Stop acting like the victim - you're no better or worse than us.

No, I've lived in the US mainly but my parents all were treated like $hit from the Han majority based on their accounts. I've even experienced discrimination from Chinese here, although many times they have no idea who Miao are so they are indifferent.

haha you want taiwan to have soveriegnty? it's like saying manhatten should be their own country! That's the most rediculous thing i've ever heard considering most taiwanese are the "han" people who you seem to hate.

I think they have a right to live off as a sovereign country, free from Communism. Majority of the ethnic Taiwanese are not even pure, with aboriginal blood. If they do not consider themselves Chinese and be discriminated for not being pure enough, then they shouldn't.

how about instead of talking about the tiny differences we asians all have, you focus on the broader similarities and start trying to unify instead of conflicting with other asian races. I am chinese and I probably like white people least of all. They love seperating china from the rest of the world so everyone attacks us. That is just what they want: for east asians to fight amongst each other instead of improving our countries. They want the western hemisphere to stay on top so they make up stupid conflicts.

Tell the Han Chinese that. The point is though, why promote China's totalitarianism and expansionism along with racism if it's only in the Han's best interest? I may as well just root for Western expansionism, at least they comply with pollution standards and human rights laws.

This post has been edited by Likeavirgin: Jun 7 2009, 07:13 PM

[iluvlamp]

I don't care about Korea and Japan, much like I do not care about France and Germany. They aren't the growing threat that China is. I do wish that Japan and Korea will be able to keep their distinct civilzations, lest it be a shame if China came to absorb them through unethical means.
How is china a "threat"? that is propaganda bull$hit. By china's growth other asian countries benefit too. It brings all of asia up to the standards of EU. I bet a lot of people thought america was a threat too when they were developing.


Ask Han Chinese if they think they look like that. Ask myempire if he thinks Chinese look like that. They don't. Also, I've seen some Han Chinese that looked Filipino, but ask them if they think they look Filipino. They don't.
myempire must be a psycho troll. How do you even know if he's chinese? he could be a german person trying to make chinese look bad. It's rediculous of you to say that chinese people don't look a certain way...I've seen blacks with blue eyes and blond hair, whites with slanted eyes, tall asians...some hans look flip, some hans look russian, some hans look japanese, some hans look korea. Who are you to say chinese people can ONLY look a certain way?


No, I've lived in the US mainly but my parents all were treated like $hit from the Han majority based on their accounts. I've even experienced discrimination from Chinese here, although many times they have no idea who Miao are so they are indifferent.
It's too bad your parents were treated unfairly but that was in the past. My parents hate japanese people for what they've done but I don't hold any grudges. I like japanese people and have japanese friends. It's 2009. I think we can put certain things behind us. I also have hmong friends and I thought they were korean or chinese when I first met them. Obviously, you have been socializing with the wrong kind of people.


I think they have a right to live off as a sovereign country, free from Communism. Majority of the ethnic Taiwanese are not even pure, with aboriginal blood. If they do not consider themselves Chinese and be discriminated for not being pure enough, then they shouldn't.
China isn't really communism anymore. They are more socialist and I doubt you have ever been there. Taiwanese people I know don't deny they are chinese, in fact they are proud of it and what china has accomplished. Taiwanese used to look down on chinese bc we were poor but now things have changed. I have relatives in Taiwan and many people have left their elitist thoughts behind.


Tell the Han Chinese that.
Please don't generalize chinese. Not all of them are "han" and not all of them hate other asians. You are the one being racist by attacking chinese people as a whole.

This post has been edited by iluvlamp: Jun 7 2009, 07:17 PM

[Shyn]

Tibet and Xinjiang may not love being under Chinese but you cannot deny what Chinese rule have had a positive effect on their formerly feudal and primitive society. China have drastically modernized these areas and increased the life expectancy and quality of life for these people. Are you sugessting that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are better off living in a theocracy where slavery are praticed and people generally don't live past the age of 40? Chinese's rule is for the better and it is justified because these "tribes" and their rulers submitted their suzerainty and dependency to China Qing's dynasty and thus as a successor state, the PRC and/or the ROC have sovereignty over these regions unless they want to revolt and gain their own independence in which all their attempts have ended in failure.

Speaking of which, you made the point "that Mongolians do not like Communism and living under a corrupt government and country that discriminates and tries to 'ethnically cleanse' them. I think for Mongolians, their best interest is for independence and sovereignty." If the Chinese government discriminates the Mongols people so much then why does all street signs in Inner Mongolia must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese? Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actual Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)? I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preserved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actual Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of "Communism". But then again, Mongolia was a Soviet satillite for a long period in the past with a kremlin style of government under the Russian's ubiquitous influence. Don't be like that pot that called the kettle black.

Besides from the clothes, the people in your pictures look pretty much what Northern Chinese, and Koreans/Japanese would normally look like, nothing special nor disguishable. If they look much different then that would be weird because it's like saying the Swedish, Norwegians, and Dannish are different in appearance than the English, Celtics, and Germans. Where exactly is Central China? Isn't that pretty close to Inner Mongolia and Ulaanbator? Xi'an and Beijing (being capitals and heartlands of China for most of the important times) are not that far from Mongolian's territories... And the Khitans, Jurchens, Yuans, Turks and Manchus have occupied Northern China for plenty of lengthy ocassions and historical dynastic periods, and we all know well that they assimilate without any real obstacle so... you do the science and math. I find it funny that you said Mongols share a common origin with the Tungus which is basically like the Manchurians and the Manchus and their offshoots have generally been assimilated into mainstream Chinese society and that to mention that there was a Mongolian and Manchurian led dynasty in Chinese history considered to be pivotal periods to many. The Chinese is not one monotonous race due to its vast population/territory and a lengthy history of migration/mixing with other groups of people not indigenous to "China" so only one racial classication cannot be applicable. And how could it be that the Chinese are genetically closest to Southeast Asians when the Central Kingdom's ancestral home is all the way at Shaanxi which is the core provinces of northern China? Shaanxi is considered one of the cradles of Chinese civilization. Thirteen feudal dynasties established their capitals in the province during a span of more than 1,100 years, from the Zhou Dynasty to the Tang Dynasty. Interestingly enough, Shaanxi bordered Inner Mongolia.

The Malays are not related to the Chinese because they look too much different. Just look at any Cambodians and Indonesians then you can automically tell, it's that obvious and it is not only just the outward appearance that matter but it's their culture too as well. As demonstrated by the Vietnamese people, having been greatly sinicized and was once Chinese's territory for more than 1000 years are not at all different to the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese culturally or physically. Mongolia has strong Tibetan and Chinese cultural influence both in their tradition and legacy.

Tawainese do considered themselves to be Chinese, hence the Republic of China. If anything, they even considered themselves to be more Chinese than the mainland because they tend to uphold trational Chinese values such as Confucianism and sinographic callligraphic better, free from the twists and turns of Communist's reforms. Taiwanese do want to be an independent country only because their actual heartland in the mainland are ruled by their political enemies (Chinese civil war anyone?). They want all of China to be one under the Republic of China of course.

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 08:10 PM

[Likeavirgin]

How is china a "threat"? that is propaganda bull$hit. By china's growth other asian countries benefit too. It brings all of asia up to the standards of EU. I bet a lot of people thought america was a threat too when they were developing.

Spratly Islands dispute and Chinese invasion

Tiananmen Square incident

Tibet Human Rights Issue

Chinese attempted invasion of Vietnam in the Sino-Vietnamese War

Gross Violations of human rights in Xinjiang

Inner Mongolia ethnic cleansing

I could go on.

myempire must be a psycho troll. How do you even know if he's chinese? he could be a german person trying to make chinese look bad. It's rediculous of you to say that chinese people don't look a certain way...I've seen blacks with blue eyes and blond hair, whites with slanted eyes, tall asians...some hans look flip, some hans look russian, some hans look japanese, some hans look korea. Who are you to say chinese people can ONLY look a certain way?

Myempire is Chinese, he can read and write in Chinese and apparantly people have already seen his photo.

I've never seen blacks with blue eyes and blonde hair unless they were albino. And Chinese do look a certain way. The average certainly do not look Mongolian or Filipino, although many South Chinese especially Cantonese look Southeast Asian. So if some whites have slanty eyes, do you feel ethnic affinity to them?

It's too bad your parents were treated unfairly but that was in the past. My parents hate japanese people for what they've done but I don't hold any grudges. I like japanese people and have japanese friends. It's 2009. I think we can put certain things behind us. I also have hmong friends and I thought they were korean or chinese when I first met them. Obviously, you have been socializing with the wrong kind of people.

Then we can all coexist. Every single race, nationality, and gender. However, China is the threat with human rights issues who do not treat non-Han very well.

China isn't really communism anymore. They are more socialist and I doubt you have ever been there. Taiwanese people I know don't deny they are chinese, in fact they are proud of it and what china has accomplished. Taiwanese used to look down on chinese bc we were poor but now things have changed. I have relatives in Taiwan and many people have left their elitist thoughts behind.

If they feel they are Chinese, let them. However, many of them are 'impure' being mixed with aboriginal blood, and 'pure' Han people who discriminate against them. I doubt ethnic Taiwanese would like that.

Please don't generalize chinese. Not all of them are "han" and not all of them hate other asians. You are the one being racist by attacking chinese people as a whole.

I have not singlehandedly attacked each individual Chinese, however, I criticize many of the Han's racist behaviors and their totalitarian style government. If the China threat grows too large and the US will have to inevitably contain, then I will be the first to sign up for the US army.

[Shyn]

Taiwanese people are not aboriginals... This is quite an absurd statement because according to official governmental statistics, 98% of Taiwan's population is made up of Han Chinese, while 2% are Taiwanese aborigines. The composite category of "Taiwanese people" is often reputed by many Taiwanese to include a significant population of at least four constituent ethnic groups: the Hoklo (70%), the Hakka (15%), Mainlander (13%), and Taiwanese Aborigines (2%). This would explain why the Hokkien language is spoken by 70% of Taiwan's population. Any aboriginal's miscegenation to the gene pool is probably minimal and neglegent at best due to the fact that Chinese's culture predominates and basically annihilate most native's influence. Likewise the same situation can be apply to the White Americans and Native Americans, are the Caucasians of the United State today impure? =P Highly and improbably not.

To further extend my point of "Mongolia has strong Tibetan and Chinese cultural influence both in their tradition and legacy". I would like to add that the Chinese are most closely related to the Tibetans NOT Southeast Asians like some people would erroneously like to claim. Yes, does Sino-Tibetan ring a bell to anyone here? The Han Chinese and "proto-Tibeto-Burman" may have split sometime before 4000 BC, when the Han began growing millet in the Yellow River valley while the Tibeto-Burmans remained nomads. Tibetans share a genetic background with Mongols, although it is clear and obvious that other main influences do exist due to their geographical locations. The same is true and analogous to the Han Chinese and Turko-Mongols, these groups of people are far from homogenous they are genetically heterogenous. Based from these observations, we can safely conclude that Han Chinese, Tibetans, and Mongols largely share a common genetic ancestor.

This post has been edited by Shyn: Jun 7 2009, 07:54 PM