education in china Options

[AnAmericanInAsia]

When I was in China someone told me that the government does not provide free education for all children, and that, in fact, there is no free public education at all. This person that said parents must pay in order for their children to go to school...even at the primary school level.

Is this really true? This seems really unbelieveable to me. Especially in a country that is supposed to be "communist" (i.e. where the state provides for the basic needs of the people)

Can anyone give me a more accurate picture of what the education system in China is like.

Do parents really have to pay to send their kids to school?
What % of Chinese kids DO go to school (cities AND villages)?
How long do most Chinese kids spend in school?

[Suijen]

China's no longer as socialistic as it used to be, and yes, that is true, parents must pay for tuition fees.

Most Chinese kids would like to graduate HS, of course, more city kids go to school than village kids (in the higher levels). Primary school is a bit more accessible.

[froglee]

When I was in China someone told me that the government does not provide free education for all children, and that, in fact, there is no free public education at all. This person that said parents must pay in order for their children to go to school...even at the primary school level.

Is this really true? This seems really unbelieveable to me. Especially in a country that is supposed to be "communist" (i.e. where the state provides for the basic needs of the people)

Can anyone give me a more accurate picture of what the education system in China is like.

Do parents really have to pay to send their kids to school?
What % of Chinese kids DO go to school (cities AND villages)?
How long do most Chinese kids spend in school?

So is this something you are critical about China? Do kids in USA have free education?

This post has been edited by froglee: Aug 11 2006, 11:35 AM

[aaaw]

are you sure? I thought education is free for children unless you want to attend a private school.

[ham_let]

So is this something you are critical about China? Do kids in USA have free education?

¿yes?

don't americans get free education until HS? (and even if they don't pay taxes? )

in canada we only have to pay tiny fees for special classes like art and music and then pay a fee so that we get a yearbook, which btw, came an entire year late last year.

[supernovasp]

So is this something you are critical about China? Do kids in USA have free education?

of course, but the money spending on clothes to good look in american school is atrocious $$$

[apprentice2peace]

Since the founding of the People Republic of China in 1949, there was no law on compulsory education in China, which stipulates that the state should provide a nine-year compulsory education "free of tuition fees" for all primary and junior middle school students. Only in 1986 that this law was promulgated and is not until 2008 that this law will be fully implement across China urban and rural area.

The problem for fully implement this law is misallocation of resource by the state and private sector. The change in the economic system from communist to capitalist divert the manufacturing sector to produce good for foreign client. The priority to fullfill the need of the chinese rural people has been set to low prioritie by government since the 90's. Much of rural school is in need of renovation, book, qualify teacher and investment.

I'm glad that the current government under president Hu Jintao have acknowledge the problem of rural need. It have taking the right step by shaping a policy of "new socialist countryside". I hope by the end of Hu Jintao second term of service, this policy will be fully implemented.

[kabuki]

China is no longer a Communist country unless you want to buy into what American conservatives propaganda are telling you. On the contrary, China nowaday is a case of extrem Capitalism, even more so than good ole USA. you are entirely on your own and nothing is free which including primary education. Why China is Capitalists' heaven? Because you look more carefully you will find out that China has a regressive tax system which means rich people pay lower tax rate. Dumb people and poor people actually bare higher overall tax burden.

[Suijen]

^ No, they don't pay taxes.

[froglee]

¿yes?

don't americans get free education until HS? (and even if they don't pay taxes? )

in canada we only have to pay tiny fees for special classes like art and music and then pay a fee so that we get a yearbook, which btw, came an entire year late last year.

Yes, you are right. American kids do get their primary education for free. But the cost-efficiency of US primary education is a wasteland.

"The United States Department of Education released a statement recently detailing the average cost per pupil in public and private schools and found that the average public school cost was approximately USD$7,200 per student while the average private school cost per pupil was just USD$3,500. The Department of Education also stated that less than 25% of private schools are considered "elite", costing more than $10,000 a year. In contrast, private schools in East Asia average around USD$1,400 per year."

Yea, USA has the cash to put $7200 per person for primary education for right now, but considering US high deficit right now, I don't think Americans will maintain their educational standard for long. China will never be able to do that, but even so, they have 90% literacy rate.

I just find it kind of cynical that you guys are "concerning" China's education, before you even look at your own educational system.

[Improv]

first of all, let's just get it clear, that communism is not actually a form of economic structure, what you guys are referring to, is "socialism", in which all economic power is concentrated by the state, and given out, where it's "needed"

labour unions are considered to be part of a socialist economy where the good of the common worker is protected by a larger organization,

this is the opposite of "capitalism" in which everyone is basically on their own, and gets wherever their skill can take them.

I'm wondering, is the american educational standard really that high? -.-
as far as I know... it's been dropping and dropping and dropping, it would seem that if parents wanted their children to go to a nice college, they have to send their kids to a private school, because public schools don't teach enough material anymore.

I'd have to say that canada is a little better than the US, but even that's not saying much anymore... as they just canceled calculus from all grade 12 years, where I live.

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China is a large country, it takes a long time to create a structure that can delivery the correct amount of resources to the correct location. I'm not saying the system is perfect, there are bound to be corrupted officials somewhere in between, but that is not anything that hasn't been seen in western governments.

So, really... I go back to china on average once every two years, I have a few cousins whom I've watched go through the entire process (education wise), they paid nothing, and frankly, some of those later assignments, even I couldn't do without some serious thought...

so, if we're talking about "quality" of education for the about the same amount, $0, in the urban settings, to the average family, china's definitely better off atm.

[apprentice2peace]

There is a elaborate tax system in China. Here is a excerpt from Beijing Local Taxation Burean.

Start of quote.


Overview of China's Current Tax System


Tax is the most important source of fiscal revenue of China. It is also an important economic lever utilized by the State to strengthen macro-economic regulation, which produces important impacts on China' s economic and social development. After the tax system reform in 1994 and the fine-tuning of it in subsequent years, China has preliminarily built up a tax system adaptable to the socialist market economy, which has been playing an important role in assuring China's fiscal revenue, broadening the opening to the outside world and promoting the sustained, fast and healthy development of China's national economy.

1. TYPE OF TAXES
Under the current tax system in China, there are 25 types of taxes, which, according to their nature and function, can be divided into the following 8 categories:

a) Category of turnover taxes. It includes 3 kinds of taxes, namely, Value - Added Tax, Consumption Tax and Business Tax. The levy of these taxes are normally based on the volume of turnover or sales of the taxpayers in the manufacturing, circulation or service sectors.

b) Category of income taxes. It includes Enterprise Income Tax (applicable to such domestic enterprises as state-owned enterprises, collectively-owned enterprises, private enterprises, joint operation enterprises and joint equity enterprises), Income Tax on Enterprises with Foreign Investment and Foreign Enterprises, and Individual Income Tax. These taxes are levied on the basis of the profits gained by producers or dealers, or the income earned by individuals.

c) Category of resource taxes. It consists of Resource Tax and Urban and Township Land Use Tax. These taxes are applicable to the exploiters engaged in natural resource exploitation or to the users of urban and township land. These taxes reflect the chargeable use of state-owned natural resources, and aim to adjust the different profits derived by taxpayers who have access to different availability of natural resources.

d) Category of taxes for special purposes. These taxes are City Maintenance and Construction Tax, Farmland Occupation Tax, Fixed Asset Investment Orientation Regulation Tax and Land Appreciation Tax. These taxes are levied on specific items for special regulative purposes.

e) Category of property taxes. It compasses House Property Tax, Urban real Estate Tax, and Inheritance Tax (not yet levied).

f) Category of behaviour taxes. It includes Vehicle and Vessel Usage Tax, Vehicle and Vessel Usage License Plate Tax, Stamp Tax, Deed Tax, Securities Exchange Tax (not yet levied), Slaughter Tax and Banquet Tax. These taxes are levied on specified behaviour.


g) Category of agricultural taxes. The taxes belonging to this category are Agriculture Tax (including Agriculture specialty Tax) and Animal Husbandry Tax which are levied on the enterprises, Units and/or individuals receiving income from agriculture and animal husbandry activities.

g) Category of customs duties. Customs Duties are imposed on the goods and articles imported into and exported out of the territory of the People's Republic of China.

End of quote.

China is in the process of abolishing agricultural taxes in the policy of new socialist countryside.

[bolldog]

So is this something you are critical about China? Do kids in USA have free education?

same is in Tibet. Education is very poor and parents must pay lots to send their children to basic eduaction

[kunomchu]

same is in Tibet. Education is very poor and parents must pay lots to send their children to basic eduaction

wrong

Modern Education System Fundamentally Established in Tibet
Thanks to the full implementation of the strategy of giving priority to education work, recent years has seen rapid development in education system in the Tibet Autonomous Region.

By the end of 1999, 83.4% of the schooling children in Tibet entered school for education. Tibet has thus achieved one year ahead of the schedule the strategic goal, in which "every county has middle schools, every township primary schools, and 80% of schooling children have the chance to receive education in school."

A modern socialist education system featuring the Tibetan nationality has basically been established in Tibet with tens of thousands of professionals and cadres fostered. By now there are over 4,000 schools of various kinds at different levels in Tibet, of which 820 are primary schools, 3033 teaching centers, over 110 middle and vocational schools, 4 colleges, with more than 360,000 students studying in middle and primary schools. An all round education system has been set up to provide education for children at different levels in kindergarten, primary and middle schools, as well as colleges for both youngsters and adults.

Meanwhile, the quality of more than 19,000 teachers, consisting mainly of Tibetans, has also been improved steadily. Up to now, the percentage of educationally qualified teachers has respectively reached 67%, 77%, and 65% in primary schools, junior and senior middle schools.

With the emphasis laid on basic education, the Tibet Autonomous Region has stepped up its efforts in promoting the harmonized development of education at different levels so as to further improve structure and quality in education. By the end of last year, 28 counties and cities had realized six years' compulsory education, covering a population of over 1.08 million, or over 44% of the total population in Tibet with Dangxiong County being the first to have achieved the goal among 25 animal husbandry counties. The counties under the jurisdiction of Lhasa all have achieved the goal, its Chengguan District being the exceptional, which is the first to have attained the goal of 9 years' compulsory education.

Efforts have also been made in Tibet on developing vocational and adult education in various forms. Many vocational schools were built and courses for professional training were also provided in middle schools. In addition, spare-time schools and activities conducted for wiping out illiteracy have greatly raised the farmers' cultural quality. Up to now, eight counties and districts have basically eliminated illiteracy among the young and middle-aged people, covering a population of 340,000, or 14% of that in the whole region.

http://english.people.com.cn/english/20000...0728_46721.html

This post has been edited by kunomchu: Aug 13 2006, 06:27 AM

[DrAP]

When I was in China someone told me that the government does not provide free education for all children, and that, in fact, there is no free public education at all. Is this really true? This seems really unbelieveable to me.

to answer these lame "hidden hate" questions: Zhong Guo Education is supported and paid by state, all schools receive government funding, because of higher cost of educational equipment & mainly due to school ranking (quite important to some parents), enrollment tuition varies for different schools. A prestigious one with high ranking will have special features similiar to an university with high tech equipment & top $paid$ international professors. The tuition is calculated by total cost subtracted by maximum government funding per student, the rest is carried by the parents.

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In American cities like New York City, nothing is really free, parents pay outragous $$$ just for a safe community or semi-prestigious school.. East Asians in nyc are living in a slaveocracy...

Here's what really happens to "Real Asian" kids that are sent to western schools... pretty good chance they turn into jessie james (an outlaw)...



This is an American School (Notice the students carrying Machine Guns?!?!?) Would you send your Asian Children To an American School Like this.. do you have a choice even???


England is no better, public schools are rife with violent anglos, private boys/girls schools are both expensive & very racist... certainly no Zhong guo language taught here...


Europe.. about the same..

India & bangladesh while passing by this place on my volunteer missions... this place is the worse, living hell, extremely filthy, massive population, unwashed juveniles, broken buildings everywhere, very high violence rate, rampant child selling...and pros... ugh id rather not recall

((an actual indian school bus incredible)) .. i thought they were selling these poor kids



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"real Asian" children are better off in a "Zhong Guo" k-12 school then in any western public or private outfit... language fluency aside... they will have ton's of zhong guo lifelong friends & no such thing as guns & violence in schools... everyone should send their children to zhong guo schools, its much more civilized

(Average Zhong Guo middle school) - very happy kids


Shang Hai public schools are the best !! world acclaimed (Notice the international teachers?)

Many Shang Hai & Zhong Guo Elementary, Middle & High Schools look like Universities

some Public Shang Hai high schools are actually on City University Campuses (Good Practice!!)



This post has been edited by DrAP: Aug 22 2006, 03:50 AM

[epicanthics]

That dude in the middle school shot looks like he's 30 years old. (Maybe he is)

I agree that Asian schools in generally are more conducive to people being friendlier to one another than in America.

and you peeps have to remember: it's a different system over there. their high school is sort of like our college, in that it's elective and you have to test into it, and it carries a great deal of weight in determining future success. as such, I'm not surprised that it's not completely free. you're considered ready to enter the workforce after middle school, but you'll pretty much be a waiter or a factory coolie if you don't do some kind of further training.

I think the system over there's alright, they just need more of it. There's so few schools and so many students, competition gets ridiculous at higher levels, to the point where colleges are admitting based on eyesight and height because so many people have the same qualifications.

[ham_let]

I'd have to say that canada is a little better than the US, but even that's not saying much anymore... as they just canceled calculus from all grade 12 years, where I live.

someone told me that like half a year ago and i was so happy.

they should bring grade 13 back. a lot of people say that people are graduating too early and they're still a bit immature. that, and the curriculum is squeezed into so little time and now i have no space to put all the electives i want.

catholics chool + only 12 grades = asian six pack + religion class + ONE fun course WTF?