Indians in Indonesia Options

[Nusantara]

Those Tamils in Medan could make a pretty good living by charging  protection money from the chinese. 

Thugs in Medan are local youth. Tamil charging protection money? you making joke.

[Nusantara]

Chinese already own most of indonesias economy.

This is the same crap chinese keep repeating. Chinese actually good making money by corruption with their cronies Soeharto after they rich then they claiming own most of Indonesia economy. Good riddance.

Didn't I tell everyone previously if chinese owned most of Indonesia economy why Indonesia right now in better shape after most of those chinese run away in 1998 riot.

[purnomor]

for now, China has other things to worry about then you guys. besides, you should know theres a difference between Chinese and true Chinese. its actually not as nationlistic or w/e as it sounds. quite simply true Chinese retain their culture and pride no matter what. according to you, you havent. you yourself said your indonesianised.

LOLZ actually Chinese President Hu Jintao has visited Indonesia three times since 2002, and his PM Wen Jiabao visited Indonesia twice, signing MOU of Chinese investments in Indonesia worth more than $ 15 billion. Meanwhile, our President SBY has visited China only once, because he's got other things to worry than China.

Talking about Indonesianisation, there is this curious case of an imprisoned ex-triad boss from Medan who converted to Islam in jail, and after being released after 20 years in prison, he made a career change from gangster to an Islamic preacher. Due to the fact that he is ethnic-Chinese, and an ex-triad boss to boot, he gained some kind of celebrity status in Indonesia. He got lucrative income from being invited to preach in mosques all over Indonesia, and even to Malaysia and Singapore. His name is Anton Medan (Tan Hok Liang aka Haji Rahman Effendie).


Anton Medan (Tan Hok Liang), ex-triad boss turned Islamic preacher

[purnomor]

Interesing link about Indians in Indonesia:

http://www.indoindians.com/

[anakjakarta84]

Chinese already own most of indonesias economy.

This is the same crap chinese keep repeating. Chinese actually good making money by corruption with their cronies Soeharto after they rich then they claiming own most of Indonesia economy. Good riddance.

But, mas Nus, the Indonesians in power also corrupt. So it's not really the race then....

[Bohemian]

Chinese, Dayaks, Indians, Acehnese, Bataks, Javanese, Banjars, Papuans, Balinese, Europeans, Sundanese, Minahasas, Malays...

... all are INDONESIANS!!!

Why do we keep on bickering about all the differences?!? Why don't we try to unite, GDI!!

Is there any specific Indonesian ethnic?? NO!!

geez!

[Tuanku_Nan_Renca...]

Chinese, Dayaks, Indians, Acehnese, Bataks, Javanese, Banjars, Papuans, Balinese, Europeans, Sundanese, Minahasas, Malays...

... all are INDONESIANS!!!

Why do we keep on bickering about all the differences?!? Why don't we try to unite, GDI!!

Is there any specific Indonesian ethnic?? NO!!

geez!

very true! ice 101 for u

[XxRyoChanxX]

I never knew there were that many indians in Indo..

[Vikas]

Yes it's good to know that Indonesians are anti-Indian and jealous of the economic power Indians and chinese have over locals.

[purnomor]

^ If you go to Fatmawati Street (near D'Best supermarket), you can find heaps of carpet shops owned by new immigrants from India and Pakistan.

On Q-TV, I saw this show hosted by a recent Indian immigrant journalist Priya Tuli called "India Talks", where each week she interviewed a successfull recent Indian migrants in Indonesia who mostly have been in Indonesia for 10-30 years. Since they interviewed different persons each week, I assume there are lots of new Indian immigrants to Indonesia even up to today.

[purnomor]

oops, i was referring to xxryochanxx's post, not yours, vikas

This post has been edited by purnomor: Dec 24 2005, 10:02 AM

[Mid-Night_Sun]

actually, just because the Chinese PM visited indonesia more doesnt mean anything really. he visits alot of countries, this is more for showing the world that China is friendly or w/e rather then specifically indonesia.

dont be mad just because indonesians cant even hold onto their country from immirants! your ONLY comeback is, they are indonesians too. not ethnically they arent. so you cant take credit for the immigrants work in the economy, when you guys had stupid race riots.

basically im saying, you cant take credit from imigrants when you have race riots, so you cant say they are indonesian. you cant switch sides just to make a point in an arguement lmao.

[purnomor]

actually, just because the Chinese PM visited indonesia more doesnt mean anything really. he visits alot of countries, this is more for showing the world that China is friendly or w/e rather then specifically indonesia.

dont be mad just because indonesians cant even hold onto their country from immirants! your ONLY comeback is, they are indonesians too. not ethnically they arent. so you cant take credit for the immigrants work in the economy, when you guys had stupid race riots.

basically im saying, you cant take credit from imigrants when you have race riots, so you cant say they are indonesian. you cant switch sides just to make a point in an arguement lmao.

I AM ethnic-Chinese, you morono

[Mid-Night_Sun]

actually, just because the Chinese PM visited indonesia more doesnt mean anything really. he visits alot of countries, this is more for showing the world that China is friendly or w/e rather then specifically indonesia.

dont be mad just because indonesians cant even hold onto their country from immirants! your ONLY comeback is, they are indonesians too. not ethnically they arent. so you cant take credit for the immigrants work in the economy, when you guys had stupid race riots.

basically im saying, you cant take credit from imigrants when you have race riots, so you cant say they are indonesian. you cant switch sides just to make a point in an arguement lmao.

I AM ethnic-Chinese, you morono

so!? when are you going to get it, that means nothing. it doesnt matter who says it!

you cant have race riots, then go and say they are indonesians and take credit for the work they do. YOU ARE A MORONO

[purnomor]

I AM ethnic-Chinese, you morono 

so!? when are you going to get it, that means nothing. it doesnt matter who says it!

you cant have race riots, then go and say they are indonesians and take credit for the work they do. YOU ARE A MORONO

When are you going to get it, morono? Chinese-Indonesians don't give a damn about your anti-Indonesian hatred, you're just some confused foreign boy.

Indonesians valued your comments as worthless, like Chinese would value Indonesian comments in running China's internal affairs. For instance the ex-triad boss realised that there is no future in Indonesia for crazy Chinese chauvinists like you, that's why he decided to switch his career into an Islamic preacher.

This post has been edited by purnomor: Dec 24 2005, 10:32 AM

[Mid-Night_Sun]

I AM ethnic-Chinese, you morono 

so!? when are you going to get it, that means nothing. it doesnt matter who says it!

you cant have race riots, then go and say they are indonesians and take credit for the work they do. YOU ARE A MORONO

When are you going to get it, morono? Chinese-Indonesians don't give a damn about your anti-Indonesian hatred, you're just some confused foreign boy.

Indonesians valued your comments as worthless, like Chinese would value Indonesian comments in running China's internal affairs. As you can see, even the ex-triad boss decided to become an Islamic preacher because he knows crazy Chinese chauvinism like yours won't get him anywhere.

in other words i won, you lost, im right, your wrong. HAHA FUKN HA! im done with this now. theres nothing else to say.

[purnomor]

I AM ethnic-Chinese, you morono 

so!? when are you going to get it, that means nothing. it doesnt matter who says it!

you cant have race riots, then go and say they are indonesians and take credit for the work they do. YOU ARE A MORONO

When are you going to get it, morono? Chinese-Indonesians don't give a damn about your anti-Indonesian hatred, you're just some confused foreign boy.

Indonesians valued your comments as worthless, like Chinese would value Indonesian comments in running China's internal affairs. As you can see, even the ex-triad boss decided to become an Islamic preacher because he knows crazy Chinese chauvinism like yours won't get him anywhere.

in other words i won, you lost, im right, your wrong. HAHA FUKN HA! im done with this now. theres nothing else to say.

poor little boy 2

[purnomor]

Ramayana to films, Indonesia still loves India


The ties between Indonesia and India date back to the times of the Ramayana, writes Somvir


Indonesia is an idyllic getaway that gives visitors a peep into a synthesis of many religions

The recent visit of the Indonesian President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, opened a new chapter in the relations between Indonesia and India. The president’s name is of Sanskrit origin.

India’s success in technology, sustainable economy and education has impressed Indonesia. An Indian cultural centre has been set up in the resort island of Bali. Similarly, Balinese Hindus are building a Hindu temple in native architectural style on the banks of the Ganges at Rishikesh. The relationship between India and Indonesia is deep-rooted. Since centuries, the people of Java and Sumatra have welcomed Indians who came to the islands for trade.

The stories of the Ramayana and the Mahabharata integrate both the countries. The epics have also played a pivotal role in the history of Indonesia and besides being a part of its unique culture, they have also achieved great popularity in the socio-political life of Indonesia.

Even today, in the open theatre of the Prambanan in Java, Muslims perform the Ramayana during full moon nights. This should serve as a reminder strength of its own religious and cultural roots.

During the rule of King Sriwijaya, many Indonesians went to Nalanda University in India. Roughly 1,000 years before the beginning of the Christian era, Indian contacts had been established. Swarnabhumi (Sumatra) finds mention in Jataka stories while there is reference to ‘Yava Dwipa’ or Java in the Ramayana. The cult of sage Agastya was well developed in Java and we find his statue at the famed Prambanan temple. The wave of Hinduism was predominant throughout Java and it was not just exclusively Saivism. The Mahayana of Buddhism, as a separate and integral cult, belongs mainly to the period of Sumatran rule in Central Java. Even at that time, it was a Tantric form which later became increasingly so in Nepal, Cambodia and Bali.

In Bali, Buddhism and Saivism were inseparably combined. After Agastya’s visit to Java, Sage Markandeya followed and laid the foundation of the mother temple in Besakih, Bali.

Majapahit the last kingdom of Hindus established their suzerainty over Palembang and Pahang in Sumatra, and over Malay from Singapore to Kedah and Trenggan. But we do not find any documented history between India and Indonesia after 1400. The two countries also show a similar pattern in architecture.

Earliest Sanskrit inscription found in Annam is dated to 200 A.D. It seems that before the 5th century, contacts began with India. Indian immigrants in the Malay Archipelago are still called Kaling in Medan, Indonesia. It is a survival of the name Kalinga, by which the inhabitants of Orissa were once known.

In old Javanese language, we find roughly around 30 per cent Sanskrit words, which shows the close connection between India and Indonesia. When Arab and Chinese trade flourished, Bali began to form close links with Java. Javanese culture had developed based on old Indian traditions that were Indonesian in essence. The old Javanese language became a vehicle of the classic epics.

All ancient inscriptions found in Indonesia up to 5th century are in Sanskrit and the Pallava script has been used.

It is interesting that Indonesia absorbed the three main religions of India: Hinduism from ancient times; Buddhism in the medieval period; and Islam from the 12th century onwards. Indian traders, mainly from Gujarat, introduced Islam into Sumatra. By the 15th century, Islam had spread all over Java.

It is to be noted that the transition and absorption of diverse religions was effected without any bloodshed. When Islam came to Indonesia from Gujarat, India herself was under Mughal rule and the philosophy of Sufism practised in India had a similar impact on Indonesia.

The cultural influence of Islam in India is in evidence in the prevalence of Sufi mysticism and folk art and poetry where Hindu and Muslim traditions blend. Similarly in Indonesia, there is a confluence of Islam and Javanese culture.

The relations between India and Indonesia underwent a bleak phase from the 15th to the 20th centuries. Rabindranath Tagore visited Java and Bali in 1927. Tagore stayed for two weeks in Bali and was all praise for Balinese Hinduism.

It is just not religion and culture that have brought Indonesia and India together. Even today, one can find people humming Kuch kuch hota hai. Bollywood films and songs are part of the young modern Indonesians’ entertainment fare. — IANS

(The writer is a visiting lecturer of Indian culture and Vedic philosophy
at the Faculty of Letters, Udayana University, Bali)

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051211/spectrum/main2.htm

This post has been edited by purnomor: Dec 24 2005, 06:56 PM

[Bohemian]

Yes it's good to know that Indonesians are anti-Indian and jealous of the economic power Indians and chinese have over locals.

This is a funny statement. How do you guys, Indians in India and Chinese in China regard the Indians and Chinese in Indonesia as parts of your own? Just too oversimplified.. To me, Indians and Chinese in Indonesia are INDONESIANS.

[kermit_criminal]

Triads are weak, i saw an episode of "Cops" here in the states where they went to Hong Kong and busted a group of Triads in a hotel room. The triads didnt even resist. streetgangs from Chicago are much more intimidating