China and japanese emperors, emperors related to the tribes of southern chinese Options

[islandBrother]

How are Koreans 50% SEA?

I told southern koreans.

[Yerroperil]

I told southern koreans.

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What do you mean Southern Koreans according to other Koreans they said they were homogenous...

[islandBrother]

ancient korean kingdom was sam han.

Yerroperil. you don't want koreans to relato to south east asians?

22% Koreans are O2b* and 8% Koreans are O2b1, and 44.5% koreans are O3. 50% koreans are probably from south east asia.

Altaic language is roots in south east asia, or southern koreans were south east asian like japanese, before the end of ice age.

Koreans have south eastern DNAs, because east china sea was a land, during ice age, and it's why chinese not have O2b because O2b people live around coast, now below sea. O3 is probably chinese, but some from south east asia.

[Hugham]

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You should know, there are many type of East Asian.

SE Asian has 3 type of people.

1. Khmer, Malays and Indonesian.
The original people of SE Asia are those Khmer, Malays and Indonesian. They are the people of Angkor Khmer Empire, Sri Vijaya Malays Empire and Majapahit Javanese Empire.

2. Laos, Northern Thailand and Northern Vietnam.
People of Laos, Hmong, Northern Thailand are immigrant from South China around Yunnan, around 1000 years ago, if I'm not mistake.

3. Papuan
Those people who live in Pacific Ocean.

I guess, there were multiple immigration to Japan, first is the Khmer-Malays kind of people, then Southern Chinese people. If I'm not mistake.

O yDNA ancestor was a good sailor, they went as far as Madagascar and Pacific islands.

This post has been edited by Hugham: Sep 6 2011, 11:36 PM

[kieshin]

are all of you guys have low IQ or something

it is clearly said that ALL asian come from the south( south east asia) and then some move up north, this is like saying the european and afrikan are brother...because once the european was african that moved up north and stay there (isolated) for 10,000 yrs. there is this saying that goes: it doesn't matter where you from it is where you go and what you do right now that matters.

asian too came from the south and then some moved up north, through harsh condition, climate, changed of diet, they start mutating, the korean stayed in korea n didn't get mixed up with anyone for 5000 yrs that's why westerners called them hermit kingdom.

the chinese tho took the opposite path, they been mixing up with everyone non-stop since the beginning, north south, even the west, that's why han chinese looking ppl make up the largest number of humanity, no matter who they mix with nowadays they will end up looking han chinese now.

the japanese mixed up with the ainu or some islander, while the mongols mixing with the european


what baffle me tho why would ALL THESE SEA want to link with korean while they look nothing alike? while tons of chinese look exactly like SEA, the chinese mixing with SEA in SEA like crazy

this is what I see as the downside of these interracial thing, all these brown southerners like you when you look nothing like them but then if you starting to look like their mutant brother, they hate you

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 7 2011, 12:24 AM

[Yerroperil]

ancient korean kingdom was sam han.

Yerroperil. you don't want koreans to relato to south east asians?




Koreans have south eastern DNAs, because east china sea was a land, during ice age, and it's why chinese not have O2b because O2b people live around coast, now below sea. O3 is probably chinese, but some from south east asia.

No just Koreans tell me they are Altaic and are not SEAs. O2b probably originated in around Manchuria.

This post has been edited by Yerroperil: Sep 7 2011, 12:30 AM

[doggyji]

I don't know about the exact numbers, DNA analysis and what the most widely accepted theory currently is but Koreans are commonly aware of northern and southern origins, simply speaking. Siberian/Manchurian route and Southern Chinese mainland route, which in turn is related to SEA. It's only a matter of what contribution was more dominant.

[islandBrother]

if koreans told, you believe they are not south east asian?

No just Koreans tell me they are Altaic and are not SEAs. O2b probably originated in around Manchuria.

So, you think koreans, O2b, are no relation to south east asians?

[doggyji]

What's funny about this whole ethnic origin thing is that it really depends on how far you want to trace back. Every human is related in one way or another, depending on how you look at it.

[islandBrother]

doggyji

so, you think O2b* are traced to south east asians?

[doggyji]

doggyji

so, you think O2b* are traced to south east asians?

As a non-expert who does not have a vested interest in genetics, I have no concrete opinion regarding that.

[thesecond]

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You should know, there are many type of East Asian.

SE Asian has 3 type of people.

1. Khmer, Malays and Indonesian.
The original people of SE Asia are those Khmer, Malays and Indonesian. They are the people of Angkor Khmer Empire, Sri Vijaya Malays Empire and Majapahit Javanese Empire.

2. Laos, Northern Thailand and Northern Vietnam.
People of Laos, Hmong, Northern Thailand are immigrant from South China around Yunnan, around 1000 years ago, if I'm not mistake.

3. Papuan
Those people who live in Pacific Ocean.

I guess, there were multiple immigration to Japan, first is the Khmer-Malays kind of people, then Southern Chinese people. If I'm not mistake.

O yDNA ancestor was a good sailor, they went as far as Madagascar and Pacific islands.

Talk about diversified,
Southeast asians(from northeast india to philipine, from southwest china to indo-china peninsula) r more diversified than east asian(from southern china to NE china, from japan island to tibetan highland).
East asians r more diversified than north asia (from russia far east region to mid asia)
That's why scientists made conclusion "NEA was from SEA".

So everyone in asia has a southern origin.

[Hugham]

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May be I'm wrong, but this is what I know:

Our ancestor is part of MNOPS around 40000 years ago. Originated in Central Asia.

Then they immigrated to East Asia from 2 different paths, India and Xinjiang.

During that time, our ancestor didn't have modern look like us today, all of them look like Papuan people with a big jaw.

The evolution or mutation into modern look we know today, occurred around 10000 years ago in many different places:
1. Baikal Lake
2. Yellow River
3. Yunnan or South China
4. IndoChina to Nepal
5. Papua and Pacific Islands

That is why, although we all shared the NO yDNA, but we have different faces according to the place we evolved.

Around 10000 years ago, Khmer-Malays people immigrate to Indonesia islands.

Around 1000 years ago, Thai-Lao people immigrate to modern location today from South China. Pushed the Khmer-Malays people to the south.


When we talk about Japanese ancestors mentioned above, they came from which groups?

Southern Chinese or Khmer-Malays group?


I believe, mainly Japanese ancestor came from South China with small Khmer-Malays origins from Philippine and Taiwan.

That is my theory. What do you think?

[crabdonut]

It's already been proven that Japanese royalty came from the Korean peninsula.

[Rayzor]

are all of you guys have low IQ or something

it is clearly said that ALL asian come from the south( south east asia) and then some move up north, this is like saying the european and afrikan are brother...because once the european was african that moved up north and stay there (isolated) for 10,000 yrs. there is this saying that goes: it doesn't matter where you from it is where you go and what you do right now that matters.

asian too came from the south and then some moved up north, through harsh condition, climate, changed of diet, they start mutating, the korean stayed in korea n didn't get mixed up with anyone for 5000 yrs that's why westerners called them hermit kingdom.

the chinese tho took the opposite path, they been mixing up with everyone non-stop since the beginning, north south, even the west, that's why han chinese looking ppl make up the largest number of humanity, no matter who they mix with nowadays they will end up looking han chinese now.

the japanese mixed up with the ainu or some islander, while the mongols mixing with the european


what baffle me tho why would ALL THESE SEA want to link with korean while they look nothing alike? while tons of chinese look exactly like SEA, the chinese mixing with SEA in SEA like crazy

this is what I see as the downside of these interracial thing, all these brown southerners like you when you look nothing like them but then if you starting to look like their mutant brother, they hate you

As I just said before, it all because of genetics. All this because of o2a-o2b-o2 connection. o2b, which are found in Korean and o2a common in southeast asia especially Indonesia are siblings since they are both descendant of haplogroup o2. You can tell islandBrother is using the very same reason as other southeast asian to relate southeast asian with Japanese and Korean.

It is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup O2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2b_%28Y-DNA%29

Haplogroup O2a is a descendent branch of Haplogroup O2.

Haplogroup O2a reaches its highest frequencies among the populations of the islands of Sumatra, Java, Bali, and Borneo in western and central Indonesia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_%28Y-DNA%29

As for the Han Chinese, they don't relate themselves with Han Chinese because they can't. Unlike the Korean, both northern Han Chinese and southern Han Chinese are o3 dominant, not o2 dominant group dominant.

Although Haplogroup O3 appears to be primarily associated with Chinese populations, it also forms a significant component of the Y-chromosome diversity of most modern populations of the East Asian region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29

It doesn't matter how you think Han Chinese look like, because it just your opinion, not fact. Looks/physical appearance is a subjective issue. By the way, Han Chinese in southeast asia do not mix with southeast asian natives. They are genetically the same and as pure as those Han Chinese in China.

By the way, you sound like a typical bitter asian guys that hate interracial marriage. Whatever the reason is, don't use Han Chinese physical appearances to justify your hatred.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 8 2011, 08:37 AM

[islandBrother]

^
May be I'm wrong, but this is what I know:

Our ancestor is part of MNOPS around 40000 years ago. Originated in Central Asia.

Then they immigrated to East Asia from 2 different paths, India and Xinjiang.

During that time, our ancestor didn't have modern look like us today, all of them look like Papuan people with a big jaw.

The evolution or mutation into modern look we know today, occurred around 10000 years ago in many different places:
1. Baikal Lake
2. Yellow River
3. Yunnan or South China
4. IndoChina to Nepal
5. Papua and Pacific Islands

That is why, although we all shared the NO yDNA, but we have different faces according to the place we evolved.

Around 10000 years ago, Khmer-Malays people immigrate to Indonesia islands.

Around 1000 years ago, Thai-Lao people immigrate to modern location today from South China. Pushed the Khmer-Malays people to the south.


When we talk about Japanese ancestors mentioned above, they came from which groups?

Southern Chinese or Khmer-Malays group?


I believe, mainly Japanese ancestor came from South China with small Khmer-Malays origins from Philippine and Taiwan.

That is my theory. What do you think?

hugham

maybe it's true
many other japanese said japan are related to south china, and got rices harvest from china 8,000 - 10,000 years ago during ice age, there was a land bridge between china and japan .

but first article said its sunda land, sunda land is indonesia? indonesia is a source for some south china tribes, and others
about sunda land group, I don't know


korea is populated by O2b* + O3 from south east asia like 10,000 years ago during ice age, like japanese jomon migrated using foots on land bridge.
korea and japan separated by sea like 6,000 - 10,000 years ago.

korea is also from south china or from sunda land.

sources = http://www.cjapan.net/en/content/origin-imperial-house-japan

This post has been edited by islandBrother: Sep 8 2011, 11:43 AM

[islandBrother]

I have news.

Investigative Genetics 2011 result:

Japanese: (%)
C3: 6.88
N: 2.50
O3a3: 16.88
O3a*: 6.88
O2b1: 23.75
D2: 29.30

Vietnamese (%)
C3: 12.50
N: 2.08
O3a3: 27.08
O3a*: 29.17
O2b1: 4.17
D2: 0

many O3 are in vietnam, and O2b1 in vietnam, D1 in vietnam, maybe, 90% japanese were from south east asia, vietnam, indonesia, phillippine, laos, cambodia, thailand, malaysia during ice age, and japanese emperor is from south east asia, or tribes of southern china, like 10,000 years ago,

in ice age , japanese islands were part of chinese and south east asian continents. also, korea was also a part of chinese and south east asian contient during ice age. after ice age, human moved to mountains, now known japan, or korea, but korea connected to china, after ice age.

[islandBrother]

As I just said before, it all because of genetics. All this because of o2a-o2b-o2 connection. o2b, which are found in Korean and o2a common in southeast asia especially Indonesia are siblings since they are both descendant of haplogroup o2. You can tell islandBrother is using the very same reason as other southeast asian to relate southeast asian with Japanese and Korean.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2b_%28Y-DNA%29





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_%28Y-DNA%29

As for the Han Chinese, they don't relate themselves with Han Chinese because they can't. Unlike the Korean, both northern Han Chinese and southern Han Chinese are o3 dominant, not o2 dominant group dominant.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29

It doesn't matter how you think Han Chinese look like, because it just your opinion, not fact. Looks/physical appearance is a subjective issue. By the way, Han Chinese in southeast asia do not mix with southeast asian natives. They are genetically the same and as pure as those Han Chinese in China.

By the way, you sound like a typical bitter asian guys that hate interracial marriage. Whatever the reason is, don't use Han Chinese physical appearances to justify your hatred.

Rayzor,

i like your science approach. I misunderstood you, sorry.

[thesecond]

^
May be I'm wrong, but this is what I know:
Our ancestor is part of MNOPS around 40000 years ago. Originated in Central Asia.
Then they immigrated to East Asia from 2 different paths, India and Xinjiang.
During that time, our ancestor didn't have modern look like us today, all of them look like Papuan people with a big jaw.
The evolution or mutation into modern look we know today, occurred around 10000 years ago in many different places:
1. Baikal Lake
2. Yellow River
3. Yunnan or South China
4. IndoChina to Nepal
5. Papua and Pacific Islands

That is why, although we all shared the NO yDNA, but we have different faces according to the place we evolved.

Around 10000 years ago, Khmer-Malays people immigrate to Indonesia islands.

Around 1000 years ago, Thai-Lao people immigrate to modern location today from South China. Pushed the Khmer-Malays people to the south.


When we talk about Japanese ancestors mentioned above, they came from which groups?

Southern Chinese or Khmer-Malays group?


I believe, mainly Japanese ancestor came from South China with small Khmer-Malays origins from Philippine and Taiwan.

That is my theory. What do you think?

Your theory is very popular pre WWII , which was very popular among those whites supremacist, for example, Adolf Hitler.
According to that theory, asians(I just mean mongoloid) can be divided into two groups, the north and the south. The north immigration farewell their whites brothers in mid asia(or pamir highland) and migrated to the east while their "white brothers" migrated to the west. All worlds' civilization was created by this group of immigration. Other ethnics like aboriginals of SE asia/south asia r just some inferior race which never created their own civilization.
Very racism? Right?

Check ice age. 40000 years ago, the mid asia was coverred by thick ice.Human beings can not survive there. And according to u, MNO r the ancestor of mongoloid, then how about those C in northern asia? They rn't mongoloid any more?


But at least u get a point. Whites or Yellows may look more like their australoid brothers at that time.

In the end There is no southern chinese group or khmer-malay group from anthropology

[islandBrother]

thesecond,

i understand. japanese emperor and jomons are also from southern china, Han Chinese of Sichuan, Guangxi, and Guangdong.

but even without O2* YDNA, chinese already relatives of japanese emperor because marriages of japanese emperor with chinese exile princess from chinese empire thousands of years ago.





The subclades of Haplogroup O2a with their defining mutation, according to the 2006 ISOGG tree:

O2a (M95) Typical of Austro-Asiatic peoples, Kradai peoples, Malays, Indonesians, and Malagasy, with a moderate distribution throughout South Asia, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and Central Asia
O2a*
O2a1 (M88, M111) Frequently found among Hani, She people, Tai peoples, Cambodians, and Vietnamese, with a moderate distribution among Qiang, Hlai, Miao, Yao, Taiwanese aborigines, populations of Borneo,[6] and Han Chinese of Sichuan, Guangxi, and Guangdong

O2a1*
O2a1a (PK4) Found at low frequency among Pashtuns,[7] Tharus,[8] and tribals of Andhra Pradesh[8]
O2a2 (M297)