Korea's new beginning - a relationship witnh China that benefits e Options

[Minq]

yep. i myself am faaaaaar from being offended by k-nationalistis. they actually amuse me. to even conceive the notion that they or anyone have the slightest chance to oppose china! even america is going to soon submit to china will LOL

America submit to China? You do realise it was the US who defeated Imperial Japan that was ravaging China? And that it was the US that helped China resist USSR? And that it was President Nixon who invited China into the international community and opened its markets for China to export to and grow? Hell, the evil US Government is STILL giving aid to China!

If you do not wish to be amused by nationalists here then you don't need to come here. I don't see any Koreans in Chinese forums.

This post has been edited by Minq: Apr 3 2011, 03:35 AM

[KraterosHellas]

^on the contrary i like to be amused every now and then. i was also talking in eocnomic terms. militarily, i admit, china is no rival. but what good is military? in fact a disproportionately strong military is a debillitating influence in state management. i can tell u america would have had far fewer probelms from middle-east if it didn't focus so much on military superiority, agressive invasions, world policing. military is the downfall of every great empire. it is the SINGLE most important reason why the roman republic fell and a decadent empire imposed. the reason why the spanish empire fell, nazi germany, showa japan, the ussr the list goes on. the only exception to this rule i can think of is the british empire which focused more on commerce and innovations. the reasons for their decline has to do with the exhaustive world wars, and its lack of resources. but britain is still a great power relative to its size and it still retains its old traditions and systems because it never gave in to military interests (except for a brief inter regnum duiring cromwell's rule).

so in short, economy/technology is the way to go. if u dominate this, then u dominate the world and no one can do $hit to u. forget military. we're in 21st century already.

[SantaKlaws]

It's not like Japan's East Asian Co-Sphere Prosperity.

It's more like Sun Yat Sen's Pan-Asianism. (Sun Yat Sen's speech in Kobe, Japan on "Pan Asianism")

Seriously, you dumbasses in this board try to so hard to troll, but honestly, don't compare China with imperialistic Japan.

It's like comparing black people to Jim Crow. Who the fu-k are you to say China is imperialistic like JAPAN, when Krakatohellas is preaching Sun Yat Sen's Pan Asianism, not Japanese imperialistic hegemony..

Stupid idiots. Patronize me. If you are going to troll, pls use intellect, not say rando stupid shizzle.

You should know that China's reputation is tainted by its imperialistic occupation of the so-called "autonomous regions" like Tibet and East Turkestan, and no matter what you preach, you can't change the minds of people who don't share your obsession of Sinocentric Pan-Asianism. Especially when China's flinging $hit towards its East Asian neighbors like Japan did in the early 20th century.

This post has been edited by SantaKlaws: Apr 3 2011, 04:57 AM

[Artissimo]

You should know that China's reputation is tainted by its imperialistic occupation of the so-called "autonomous regions" like Tibet and East Turkestan, and no matter what you preach, you can't change the minds of people who don't share your obsession of Sinocentric Pan-Asianism. Especially when China's flinging $hit towards its East Asian neighbors like Japan did in the early 20th century.

Santa xiansheng, you callously act as if the American Empire and the European Conquistadors' history of "imperialistic occupation" are pale in comparison (or is even a comparison) to Xizang and Xinjiang. If I humbly recall correctly, it was only because of the occidental's conquest of 70% of the world's area that was the leading catalyst to the Wa's expansionist policy of the early 20th century. I don't know for sure whether Chinese reputation was tainted by the marred memory of imperialism as you suggested, but the Caucasian's reputation for subjugation does precedes it.

This post has been edited by Artissimo: Apr 3 2011, 05:58 AM

[Minq]

Santa xiansheng, you callously act as if the American Empire and the European Conquistadors' history of "imperialistic occupation" are pale in comparison (or is even a comparison) to Xizang and Xinjiang. If I humbly recall correctly, it was only because of the occidental's conquest of 70% of the world's area that was the leading catalyst to the Wa's expansionist policy of the early 20th century. I don't know for sure whether Chinese reputation was tainted by the marred memory of imperialism as you suggested, but the Caucasian's reputation for subjugation does precedes it.

Imperial Japan colonised Korea and invaded China to protect its Asian brothers from the Western imperialism. Does that make it any less worse?

Yes the West were evil but what matters to people now is India is no longer British and Philippines no longer American whilst Tibet and East Turkestan are still Chinese.

[SantaKlaws]

Santa xiansheng, you callously act as if the American Empire and the European Conquistadors' history of "imperialistic occupation" are pale in comparison (or is even a comparison) to Xizang and Xinjiang. If I humbly recall correctly, it was only because of the occidental's conquest of 70% of the world's area that was the leading catalyst to the Wa's expansionist policy of the early 20th century. I don't know for sure whether Chinese reputation was tainted by the marred memory of imperialism as you suggested, but the Caucasian's reputation for subjugation does precedes it.

The British no longer rule over India, Americans no longer rule over the Philippines, Germans no longer rule over France, Japanese no longer rule over Korea, and yet we still see China ruling over Tibet and East Turkestan. It's not just the history that taints China's reputation - it's what China is today, an imperialistic power ruling over other conquered nations with the level of political oppression that's comparable to that of the empires of the past.

[KraterosHellas]

The British no longer rule over India, Americans no longer rule over the Philippines, Germans no longer rule over France, Japanese no longer rule over Korea, and yet we still see China ruling over Tibet and East Turkestan. It's not just the history that taints China's reputation - it's what China is today, an imperialistic power ruling over other conquered nations with the level of political oppression that's comparable to that of the empires of the past.

and u don't mention the fact that america, canada and australia still occupy over native aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

[SantaKlaws]

and u don't mention the fact that america, canada and australia still occupy over native aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

Then again, much of China Proper also occupies native aboriginal territories.

[KraterosHellas]

Then again, much of China Proper also occupies native aboriginal territories.

ur sense of humor amuses me

[Minq]

and u don't mention the fact that america, canada and australia still occupy over native aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

And you don't mention the fact that Britain, France and Italy do not occupy over any aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

This post has been edited by Minq: Apr 3 2011, 10:07 AM

[DewDrop]

Koreans have so much opinions.

But do they actually matter? lol.

It doesn't take a genius of IQ 140 to tell you that Korean opinion, will, or desire didn't matter in 1905 Eulsa/Gando, 1910 Annexation treaty, 1945 Permanent Trusteeship, 1950 Korean War, or 2010 Sinking/Bombing of South Korea innocent men, women, and children.

How you can pull the Tibetan card in order to make Chinese overseas nationalists feel 'guilty' and thus more willing to permit Korean reunification on democratic utopian rhetoric terms... seems so desperate of you guys. :0)

This post has been edited by DewDrop: Apr 3 2011, 12:25 PM

[KaskusPertamax]

And you don't mention the fact that Britain, France and Italy do not occupy over any aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

lolumadbro?

Italy occupy Sicily, Sardinian, and Padania land.
Spain occupy Basque, Catalan land
Britain, occupy Ireland, Cornish, Manx land
France occupy Basque, Corsican, Breton, Catalan land

[qwerty2010]

Not to mention Japan still occupies Okinawa/Ryukyu and Hokkaido/Ezochi, UK still occupies Falklands, etc., BUT the only evil guys on earth are Chinese, even though Tibet was a part of China as early as the Yuan Dynasty, i.e., before America in its current form existed. That's Korean Nationalists for you, and they keep blaming Chinese for NOT liking them.

[DewDrop]

You are only saying this because Korea is weak and divided.

You don't hear the Japanese say these things because they don't have any interests infringed upon by the Chinese juggernaut.

Resorting to the Tibetan card only furthers Chinese opinion of Korean nationalists are defender of a weak, desperate, hopeless Korean peninsula.

We Chinese, despite hearing the Tibet card from Korean Nationalists, feel that Korean reunification cannot happen without Chinese support, so KEEP FLAMING. :-) You will grovel on your knees and kiss the proud feet of the Chinese in due time. In due time.

This post has been edited by DewDrop: Apr 3 2011, 12:28 PM

[faydabakery]

man, this whole thread is just about intentional country flaming. i can easily see why koreans would be offended. what is the point of all this?

"Its not what you say but how you say it."

[qwerty2010]

DewDrop is NOT Chinese - he's reincarnated troll "tianjin".

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Apr 3 2011, 12:47 PM

[KaptainAmeriKa]

and u don't mention the fact that america, canada and australia still occupy over native aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

You live in New Zealand don't you?

[Pessoptimistic]

DewDrop is NOT Chinese - he's reincarnated troll "tianjin".

LOL. did you hear that dewdrop? you got disowned.

This post has been edited by Pessoptimistic: Apr 3 2011, 03:04 PM

[Kagoshipda]

no....it's different. Chinese population is 2/3 of East Asian population. China was and will be a natural leader of the region with or without SK's aggreement.
And I doubt South Koreans understand China's strategy. China's ruling elites have no real intend to lure SK into China's camp because SK is not strategically important to China. (the GDP of Canton province alone will be bigger than SK by 2015. How important SK can be to China?) China's only strategic goal with regard to 2 Koreas is to keep them separated and stable. Turing SK into Chinese ally adds no benefit to China and could alert the US.
What's very clear is that China sees SE Asia as her most important partner and will be the base members of the East Asian Bloc. Therefore, China signed a FTA with ASEAN that's very favorable to SE Asian countries. The 2nd step was to sign a FTA with Taiwan, which was done a year ago. The only two that was left out of the block is SK and Japan. All you need to pay attention to now is to take peek at the geographic location of SK and Japan. You see who has been isolated by the block by now? LOL

You wonder why Japanese Hotoyama was so eager to mingle with China, which angered the USA? LOL
Under American pressure, the new Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan reversed the course.
But Japan sure understands the game and will eventually make another turn for her own interests.

Typical jjangkae wetdream.

[Kagoshipda]

Imperial Japan colonised Korea and invaded China to protect its Asian brothers from the Western imperialism. Does that make it any less worse?

Yes the West were evil but what matters to people now is India is no longer British and Philippines no longer American whilst Tibet and East Turkestan are still Chinese.

Japan in fact did colonized China too, or partial colonized areas around Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong. Japan even built railroad system linking with Korea to occupied areas of China.