questions to Hmong Christians Options

[datianboy]

Why don't you go to the same church as White Christians? black Christians? why segregate your church if you all believe in the same book?

Why do many Hmogn Christians I know still do Hmong wedding? Don't you know that for Christian wedding, the bride has to pay for the wedding.
Marrying a Christian Hmong girl, her parents should have no right to ask for any dowry for it's against Christianity.

Why do Hmong Christians still kill animal during funeral?

As a Christians, you are obligated to make pilgrimages to the middle east to see the birth of Christianity and all other holy pilgrimage sites in Europe.


This post has been edited by datianboy: Aug 1 2011, 12:25 AM

[some1cu]

Before I attempt to answer anything, you gotta remember not everyone is a devoted Christian. So depending on their faith in Christianity, things people do will vary. Since you were born a Christian, you must know that there are 2 kinds of Christian, 1) the devoted Christian, the one who puts God first and tries to live their life according to God will. and 2) the lukewarm Christian, the ones who put God after themselves and only needs God when they are down in the dumps. People will vary between the two, so you gotta take that into consideration.

Why don't you go to the same church as White Christians? black Christians? why make yourself a cult?
It's all about preferences and what you're comfortable with. It's not about being a cult or segregating ourselves from others. Example, if you're going to a club, do you go to a club full of hmong people or do you go to a club full of white and blacks. It's all preference.

Why do many Hmogn Christians I know still do Hmong wedding? Don't you know that for Christian wedding, the bride has to pay for the wedding.
Marrying a Christian Hmong girl, her parents should have no right to ask for any dowry for it's against Christianity.

The reason they still do hmong wedding depends on the family and relatives of both sides of the family. If they're all Christians, then hmong weddings wouldn't happen and it'll just be a Christian wedding, but if it's mixed, the the majority rules, more Christian = Christian wedding, more traditional = hmong wedding. You gotta think family and not just the people who are getting married.
And as for dowry, it is not against Christianity. If you were to look in the Bible, dowry was being used a few times. For example, Exodus 22:16-17 it says, “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price(dowry), and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price(dowry) for virgins.

Why do Hmong Christians still kill animal during funeral? do you know it's against God's teaching?
Nothing is wrong with killing the animal. It's what you do with the animal that begs the question. So if you kill and it offer it to the spirits than that's a no no, but if you're killing the animal just solely for food than there's nothing wrong with it.

Why do Hmong Christians mixed other gods into their religion? Do you know it's wrong to mix deities from other religions into Christianity?
If you're a true Christian then you wouldn't believe in any other gods other than God. Yea, you believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but those two lead you to God and in a sense, they are God.

As a Christians, you are obligated to make pilgrimages to the middle east to see the birth of Christianity and all other holy pilgrimage sites in Europe.
if you're a Christian you are not obligated to make pilgrimages to anywhere. It all depends on what branch of Christianity you believe in. If you're a Catholic, you believe that to get to God you need to go through the Virgin Mary, on the other hand if you're a Protestants, then you believe to get to God is through Jesus. So if you're a Protestant, you don't need to make any pilgrimage at all. Catholics on the other hand, I wouldn't know since I'm not Catholic. You're going to need to ask a Catholic that question.

Why do you worship the cross? the symbol that Jesus was crucified on?
Why do Christian worship the cross? Well it's not really about the cross but about what happened on the cross. Jesus gave his life to wash our sins on that cross. So instead of us going to hell for our sins, Jesus saved us and will bring us to God when the time comes. So it's more symbolic than it is the cross itself.
Why do Hmong Christian women preach? the bible forbids women to preach.

Are your enemies the Jews and Muslims? The Jews and Muslims have been the ancient brothers of the Christians for thousands of years. Are you related to them?
Jews and Muslims are not Christians enemies. Everyone just have a different view on things. If you want a definite answer to this, you're going to have to research this, but if you just want a jest of what's the difference than I'll give it a shot. Christians believe that everyone can go to Heaven, Jews believe that only Jews can go to heaven, and Muslims is like Christianity.
Are all 3 related, in a sense, yes. Since they all believe in the same God, but they just have their different views. For Muslims you, believe in that to get to God you just believe that Mohammad is the person that can lead you to God, for Christians, you believe that Jesus is the person that will lead you to God and for the Jews, they are still waiting for their savior to come since they don't believe that Jesus is their savior. So in a sense, Judaism came first, Christian came second and third came Muslims.

Why wear Hmong clothes? you should realized that what Hmong people eat and wear (grains and hemp clothes) came from the garden of so-called Hmong satan (ntxooj nyoog). By the way, Satan is not the same as Ntxooj Nyoog.
This is more culture related than it does to have anything to do with Christianity and it's belief. Culture and religion are two different things.

Overall it's what you believe in and everyone has their own view of Christianity. So you can't just take one persons actions and belief and group it with everyone else.

[bioshock]

Well, since Blacks, Latinos and specific ethnicities have their own churches like Viets and Korean Christians…why not Hmong Christians? I guess it would just be a lot easier for them to maintain Hmong culture and yet still blend that with Christianity.

Actually when I think about it sometimes Hmong-Christians are even more “Hmong” than us shamanists …they try to keep the language alive and have many Hmong-themed events and wear Hmong clothes more often, just imo though.

So many interesting questions you’ve got there…I didn’t even know that half those things existed, lol.

Me personally I could care less about religion, haha…but there might be an extremely heated war of words if our lovely Christian Havnim gets in here, lol. Might be fun to read you guys’ argument! Don’t hate…tolerate! That’s all I gotta say.

[txoomsuab2]

i stopped caring about religion, well sorta but kinda still superstitious

[lilasiankid]

Geez, we are really finding out who this really is now.

[datianboy]

i woant to know why hmong people just don't share church with black and white christians?

[KojTusMeHavnim]

What the heck???? LOL!!! @ the questions. It shows how much you really know about Christianity. Some of these questions are just so.... where-did-you-get-them-from?

I'm too lazy to answer them right now but I was scanning the first comment and the person seems to be on the right track.



GOOOOSH, so tempted to answer them. FINE! I will... I just hope I don't have to keep coming back here to reply because I'm so sick of that. I've been doing that for years on this forum and other forums. It takes up so much of my time!!
I'll only answer a few for now..
Before I do, I want to second this

"Before I attempt to answer anything, you gotta remember not everyone is a devoted Christian. So depending on their faith in Christianity, things people do will vary. Since you were born a Christian, you must know that there are 2 kinds of Christian, 1) the devoted Christian, the one who puts God first and tries to live their life according to God will. and 2) the lukewarm Christian, the ones who put God after themselves and only needs God when they are down in the dumps. People will vary between the two, so you gotta take that into consideration."


This person is absolutely right. If you want to know what a real Christian is, read the Bible, not the person who claims the title "Christian." Anyone can call himself a Christian but what's a true Christian? Someone once said, just because you stand in the garage doesn't make you a car... Something like that. Basically, just because you call yourself one or go to church every Sunday, that doesn't make you a Christian. Being a Christian is from deep inside.

Now, to answer some questions.

Why don't you go to the same church as White Christians? black Christians? why make yourself a cult?

LOL! Do you know what cult means? I think you misused the word.
There are many multicultural churches. The reason why Hmong churches still exist is because many Hmong don't speak or understand English well, so they need to have their own churches. Kind of like, having ESL class for students whose English is poor. How do you expect an elderly Hmong to grow in faith when he can only take home 5% of the sermon?he
Because many young Hmong grew up in the church, they're used to going to Hmong churches and going with their families. Is that a bad thing?
I'm seeing a shift though.. Second generation churches are emerging for those who don't understand Hmong as much as English and all these churches are open to not just Hmong but people of other ethnicity too. Then there are some Hmong who go to churches that aren't predominantly Hmong.

It's not that Hmong people hate other races.. it's because they're more comfortable with their own kind of and because of language barriers. Often times throughout the year, at least for my church, we join other churches that aren't Hmong. What do you have to say about that?

Why do many Hmogn Christians I know still do Hmong wedding? Don't you know that for Christian wedding, the bride has to pay for the wedding.
Marrying a Christian Hmong girl, her parents should have no right to ask for any dowry for it's against Christianity.

What's wrong with having a Hmong wedding?
I didn't know the bride has to pay for the wedding. That's probably a Jewish tradition. I don't remember reading in the Bible that dowry is against God.

Why do Hmong Christians still kill animal during funeral?

Let me ask you this. Do they slaughter animals for the same reason as Hmong animists?

Why do Hmong Christians mixed other gods into their religion? Do you know it's wrong to mix deities from other religions into Christianity?
If you're a true Christian then you wouldn't believe in any other gods other than God. Yea, you believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but those two lead you to God and in a sense, they are God.

I second this. Again, you are looking at the faulty human being... The Bible clearly states that you should have no other god(s) but only Yahweh (the God from the Bible).

As a Christians, you are obligated to make pilgrimages to the middle east to see the birth of Christianity and all other holy pilgrimage sites in Europe.

LOL! I've never heard of this obligation in my whole life going to church.

I'm going to stop here. I have work to do.

[KojTusMeHavnim]

Me personally I could care less about religion, haha…but there might be an extremely heated war of words if our lovely Christian Havnim gets in here, lol. Might be fun to read you guys’ argument! Don’t hate…tolerate! That’s all I gotta say.

LOL! I don't want to go there. I know it has happened in the past a few time but I never liked it.. I really never did... It just made me feel so bad afterward.

[shino-san]

i woant to know why hmong people just don't share church with black and white christians?

They do, I go to a church that shares a church with the white and blacks. The whites and blacks goes to church from 9am - 12pm and then the Hmongs go to church from 1pm - 4pm. Then twice a year we have a joint service with everyone and each pastor would do each service. It's like i said before, it's all about preferences and comfort, it's not about not going and not wanting to share.

[hmoobconan]

Why do many Hmogn Christians I know still do Hmong wedding? Don't you know that for Christian wedding, the bride has to pay for the wedding.
Marrying a Christian Hmong girl, her parents should have no right to ask for any dowry for it's against Christianity.

They compared the two and realized that Hmong weddings are more beneficial (for the girl's side). At the end of the day, they are greedy people like everybody else. Although I've seen those two types of wedding combined in a way before.
I was actually surprised when I first heard about Christian/White people's weddings. I was like... wtf? these people are not man enough that they make the female do the paying? lol Although I guess the diamond ring might equal it out.

[datianboy]

yup, as part of the Christian religion, women have to pay for the wedding.

I'm still wanting to know why different people have different churches. Why not go to one? why not combine since you all believe in Jesus Christ. I've been to many churches and I'm confused. I feel uncomfortable in an all hmong church.

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

yup, as part of the Christian religion, women have to pay for the wedding.

I'm still wanting to know why different people have different churches. Why not go to one? why not combine since you all believe in Jesus Christ. I've been to many churches and I'm confused. I feel uncomfortable in an all hmong church.

It serves as a cornerstone of the ethnic community in question.

[shino-san]

I'm still wanting to know why different people have different churches. Why not go to one? why not combine since you all believe in Jesus Christ. I've been to many churches and I'm confused. I feel uncomfortable in an all hmong church.

There are different church because each church has a different interpretation of what the Bible says. It's like if I was to say "to" and you tell me which "to" did I say. Did you think of the word to, too or two. That's like Christianity, every branch of Christianity had their own interpretation of the same Bible. So if you don't like the all Hmong churches, you're more than welcome to go to any other church you fell like. You don't just have to stick to only one church. Try out all the churches and see which one fits you best and go to that one. But you gotta know how each branch teaches. And to know that, you gotta do your own research and not just ask people.

[yajthaugluv]

All I can say is Datianboy brought up a very important provocative question to believers. If other ethnicity wants to believe in the white christian god, they all need to become white and congregate at the same church as white people do. But what you have is people wanting to start their own church specifically for their own ethnicity when it comes to wedding proceedings people opt out for their customary and void the bible. It does send out a message as,"pathetic".

"A people that discards their own beliefs for another is nothing but fools". - Don't know who said this...

But it's a powerful statement to remember...

[KojTusMeHavnim]

^Wait.... you mean, Jesus is White and Christianity started in Europe?

Did you guys know there are many branches of atheism, Buddhism, Islam... including animism
So, why can't Christians have different branches too? Why is it wrong for Christians to have different branches but not other religions/worldviews?


Although there are different denominations, all Christians (no matter what denominations) acknowledge that they believe in the same God and the same Jesus. When you go to Christian concerts, conferences, Christian school clubs and whatnot, you won't see just one denomination but all denominations, represented. Why? You may ask... Again, it's because they all believe in the same god. These denominations are just minor things.. You can choose to be part of one or you can choose not to, no one will beat you up.

Does that answer you guys now?

This post has been edited by KojTusMeHavnim: Aug 16 2011, 02:10 PM

[KojTusMeHavnim]

"A people that discards their own beliefs for another is nothing but fools". - Don't know who said this...

But it's a powerful statement to remember...

Is animism the first religion? Is animism Hmong's first religion?

Christians believe God was here before anything. So, I can argue that the Hmong discarded their own beliefs (God) long ago and took on animism.
So, tell me, who discarded their belief first if God existed before man?

This post has been edited by KojTusMeHavnim: Aug 16 2011, 02:11 PM

[txoomsuab2]

damn alot of yalls r heated over religion oh well it does not affect me much i'm not that religious anyways

[yajthaugluv]

^Wait.... you mean, Jesus is White and Christianity started in Europe?

Did you guys know there are many branches of atheism, Buddhism, Islam... including animism
So, why can't Christians have different branches too? Why is it wrong for Christians to have different branches but not other religions/worldviews?


Although there are different denominations, all Christians (no matter what denominations) acknowledge that they believe in the same God and the same Jesus. When you go to Christian concerts, conferences, Christian school clubs and whatnot, you won't see just one denomination but all denominations, represented. Why? You may ask... Again, it's because they all believe in the same god. These denominations are just minor things.. You can choose to be part of one or you can choose not to, no one will beat you up.

Does that answer you guys now?

Which is exactly why Datianboy brought this topic up. People are starting their own churches and branching off into other churches and etc. Just goes to say how pathetic and worthless such a belief is. Don't you realize it's degenerative/degradation when people do that... Such patterns can only serve to solidify the conclusion that organized religions are really all about power and that pot of gold and nothing else. Nothing is for free in this world... You spread the gospel and give aid to others in the hope that they will share your beliefs. Is giving aids free when you have hopes and expectations?

[datianboy]

All I can say is Datianboy brought up a very important provocative question to believers. If other ethnicity wants to believe in the white christian god, they all need to become white and congregate at the same church as white people do. But what you have is people wanting to start their own church specifically for their own ethnicity when it comes to wedding proceedings people opt out for their customary and void the bible. It does send out a message as,"pathetic".

"A people that discards their own beliefs for another is nothing but fools". - Don't know who said this...

But it's a powerful statement to remember...

I just want to know. Hmong Christian wedding and Hmong Christian churches. I'm very confused.
Why not just share the same church with white christians and etc? I still want to know.

Also, regarding wedding, Hmong men should not pay the bride price if they married Hmong Christian women. Hmong Christian women should be paying for the wedding since that's the Christian way.

[yajthaugluv]

Is animism the first religion? Is animism Hmong's first religion?

Christians believe God was here before anything. So, I can argue that the Hmong discarded their own beliefs (God) long ago and took on animism.
So, tell me, who discarded their belief first if God existed before man?

Just something I miss and should have addressed.

Why wouldn't it be? It's what 100% of the world believe at one time. Every "Neanderthal" has some form of basic beliefs and that's animism.