Xieng Teng (Stung Treng), Why was it given to Cambodia Options

[Manleow]

Well i came to some infomation about why the French Gave Stung Treng to Cambodia.

I was going to post it on Khmer Chat, but there are t0o many Trolls there who cant have a civil conversatoin.

So i decided to post it on Lao Chat, since it is a province in Cambodia mainly made up of Lao ppl.

This post has been edited by Manleow: Apr 20 2008, 06:41 PM

[Buddhalove]

Don't Know, would like ot know myself:

Wiki:
Stung Treng is a northern province of Cambodia. Formerly called Xieng Teng, it was a part of the Khmer Empire, then the Lao kingdom of Lan Xang and later the Lao kingdom of Champassack. It was ceded to Cambodia again during the period of French Indochina.

[Manleow]

The infomation goes as following:

After long discussions and an agreement between France and Thailand on 7 October 1902 whereby in order to get Chantaboon back to Thailand and to abolish the 25 kilometer zone on the right bank of the Mekhong River. Thailand agreed to cede the two southern provinces of Melouprey (Manoprai in Thai) and Champasak to France. France retreated from Chantaboon but seized Trat and Darnsai instead. The French Parliament would not ratify this treaty since, as master and heir of Cambodia, the two Camboidan provinces of Battambong and Sieamrap were not considered in this treaty. The French Parliament wanted more. Moreover the King of Luang Prabang was suzereign of both banks of the river and not only of one bank. His privileges over the right bank opposite to Luang Prabang had not been considered at all. The French therefore negotiated for the Convention of 13 Feb. 1904 which settled the boundary to be futher ceded, but it did not restitute the two Cambodian provinces mentioned above to Cambodia. It only imposed upon the Thai not to keep any military contingentes in the said two pronvinces, Thus preparing for the next step, when they finally annexed them in 1907. The French compensated Cambodia at the time by giving them the Lao province of Stung-Treng and half of Khong Province, and this is how this Lao territory of Stung-Treng, Peopled by Lao, is to be found attached to Cambodia to this day, Laos was futher amputated. Half of the Province of Attopeu and the Plateau of Darlac were given to Vietnam.

This final boundary of Laos was again to be regulated by the treaty of 23 March 1907 when Darnsai was given to Thailand in exchange for Trat, which France agreed to return to Thailand. This treaty of 1907 at last fixed the boundary as Laos has found herself today. The strip of land on the right bank of luang Prabang was now ceded by Thailand and given to Laos. Thailand also had to give up the Three Cambodian provinces of battambong, Sieamrap, and Sisophon to France as a result of the 1907 treaty. This treaty was at last ratified by the Frnch Parliament on 21 June 1907, and the era of disputes between Thaialnd and France has at last come to an end.

Well the infomation is pretty much as Lao members had been saying all along.

[thewiseguy]

Are you sure it is made up of mostly Lao people? Last I remember the Lao population is real small in Cambodia. True it use to be part of Laos but it was ours first during the great khmer empire. Get over it. Stung Treng is rightfully ours. Get on with your miserable life and move on. Go out and get laid or something instead of whining all the time like most of you Lao members do.

''Thai/Tai/Thailand''.
''Siamese are Khmer''.
''Oh no the chinese are coming to take our land''

All I hear about from lao members are complaints about its neighbor. If Laos is so great then why is it so far behind its neighbor. True Cambodia is not that far ahead of Laos but we had to go through a civil war where millions of lives were taking away. But still Cambodia has a brighter future. What excuses does Laos have to be poorer than Cambodia? Imagaine if the civil war never happened do you know how far ahead Cambodia will be from you guys? It had a thriving music scene, the movies were awesome, The French liked Cambodia so much and seen so much potentials they had to free us last.

[thewiseguy]

If you dont believe me how far ahead Cambodia was from laos before the civil war then watch these clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyqtMnVI1Qk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6VIp2S8leQ...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKuW0WqzX68...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASfk8v7wws...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSDA6HPjnU...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W0BeAbn11k...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6r-QeBPCLo...feature=related

Cambodia was strong in every sector education. agriculture, industry & entertainment. Cambodia would at least be on Thailands level or better and that is an understatement.

[Manleow]

Are you sure it is made up of mostly Lao people? Last I remember the Lao population is real small in Cambodia. True it use to be part of Laos but it was ours first during the great khmer empire. Get over it. Stung Treng is rightfully ours. Get on with your miserable life and move on. Go out and get laid or something instead of whining all the time like most of you Lao members do.

''Thai/Tai/Thailand''.
''Siamese are Khmer''.
''Oh no the chinese are coming to take our land''

All I hear about from lao members are complaints about its neighbor. If Laos is so great then why is it so far behind its neighbor. True Cambodia is not that far ahead of Laos but we had to go through a civil war where millions of lives were taking away. But still Cambodia has a brighter future. What excuses does Laos have to be poorer than Cambodia? Imagaine if the civil war never happened do you know how far ahead Cambodia will be from you guys? It had a thriving music scene, the movies were awesome, The French liked Cambodia so much and seen so much potentials they had to free us last.

Lolz, Why do ppl like you get so offended from just pure infomatioin? its funny how ppl like u react to an unbais report which does nothing but inform ppl.

I said this before, im just posting up infomation concerning the issue some Lao members were making toward the issue of Stung Treng being a Lao province that was given to Cambodia by the French.

just because it proves Us right, and confirms what we are saying, ppl like you are getting mad over it. kinda pathetic, so i hope other khmer members are more open minded.

again The infomation confirms it, so why are u getting so mad over it?

It is what it is. take it with you as a means of enlightment.

thats what forums are for to inform each other, yet ppl like you insist of being ignorant. and now ur wanting to bash Lao ppl and nation over historical infomation? now who should get a life? lolzzzz

I dont care if Stung Treng is apart of Cambodia, i dont think u understand that? Im just concerned that ppl are getting the wrong idea of history and what happen. thats the point of talking about it and informing one another. thats the point of posting infomation on Thai forum, because ppl have a wrong idea of history. We are here to do the best we can to correct that misinfomation.

in the end we are all better off.

This post has been edited by Manleow: Apr 20 2008, 08:05 PM

[Manleow]

If you dont believe me how far ahead Cambodia was from laos before the civil war then watch these clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyqtMnVI1Qk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6VIp2S8leQ...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKuW0WqzX68...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASfk8v7wws...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSDA6HPjnU...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W0BeAbn11k...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6r-QeBPCLo...feature=related

Cambodia was strong in every sector education. agriculture, industry & entertainment. Cambodia would at least be on Thailands level or better and that is an understatement.

So what is ur point? I hope that Cambodia will do all it can to be the best country it can be.

I truely hope for the best for the country of Cambodia. Other then Laos, i hope Cambodia could be the most successful nation in SEA, because both countries have been through many toubles, both were drawn into a war we did not want to be apart of.

which ended up tearing both countries apart.

So get over urself dude.

[Buddhalove]

After long discussions and an agreement between France and Thailand on 7 October 1902 whereby in order to get Chantaboon back to Thailand and to abolish the 25 kilometer zone on the right bank of the Mekhong River. Thailand agreed to cede the two southern provinces of Melouprey (Manoprai in Thai) and Champasak to France. France retreated from Chantaboon but seized Trat and Darnsai instead. The French Parliament would not ratify this treaty since, as master and heir of Cambodia, the two Camboidan provinces of Battambong and Sieamrap were not considered in this treaty. The French Parliament wanted more. Moreover the King of Luang Prabang was suzereign of both banks of the river and not only of one bank. His privileges over the right bank opposite to Luang Prabang had not been considered at all. The French therefore negotiated for the Convention of 13 Feb. 1904 which settled the boundary to be futher ceded, but it did not restitute the two Cambodian provinces mentioned above to Cambodia. It only imposed upon the Thai not to keep any military contingentes in the said two pronvinces, Thus preparing for the next step, when they finally annexed them in 1907. The French compensated Cambodia at the time by giving them the Lao province of Stung-Treng and half of Khong Province, and this is how this Lao territory of Stung-Treng, Peopled by Lao, is to be found attached to Cambodia to this day, Laos was futher amputated. Half of the Province of Attopeu and the Plateau of Darlac were given to Vietnam.

This final boundary of Laos was again to be regulated by the treaty of 23 March 1907 when Darnsai was given to Thailand in exchange for Trat, which France agreed to return to Thailand. This treaty of 1907 at last fixed the boundary as Laos has found herself today. The strip of land on the right bank of luang Prabang was now ceded by Thailand and given to Laos. Thailand also had to give up the Three Cambodian provinces of battambong, Sieamrap, and Sisophon to France as a result of the 1907 treaty. This treaty was at last ratified by the Frnch Parliament on 21 June 1907, and the era of disputes between Thaialnd and France has at last come to an end.

Thank for the info

[SniFinButta]

There is noting wrong with revisiting history, we all can learn from the past just as long as the teachings are from an unbias standpoint. There's a thin line between Myth and History and I believe from reading a few Lao members post that they've crossed that line to the point where they've created a new image for themselves. In this day and age where image is everything, I can understand one yearning to be better than they are however manipulating the facts and bashing other ethnics should not be the approach taken to seek those things.

This post has been edited by SniFinButta: Apr 20 2008, 08:36 PM

[Buddhalove]

Laos will be supplying Sung Treng electricity.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/04/21...al_30071171.php

[laowatchdog]

Currently Laos has MoUs to provide 5,000MW to Thailand until 2015, and a further 2,000MW after this date until 2020. Vietnam has also agreed to purchase 5,000MW of electricity from now until 2020.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/04/21...al_30071171.php

That is certainly a lot of power. It is about 2.5 times the new Nuke Plant that Vietnam is planning to build.

[Manleow]

There is noting wrong with revisiting history, we all can learn from the past just as long as the teachings are from an unbias standpoint. There's a thin line between Myth and History and I believe from reading a few Lao members post that they've crossed that line to the point where they've created a new image for themselves. In this day and age where image is everything, I can understand one yearning to be better than they are however manipulating the facts and bashing other ethnics should not be the approach taken to seek those things.

i c ur being very general again with open ended remarks, if u have issue with any standpoint of our opinoin or arguement, then please let it be known, that is the point of a discussion. We make our points very clear in saying why we feel a certain way. have u yet seen anyone whom has made the case against ours? i dont think so. every debate we come across, it is Lao members who come with supporting detail and infomation.

Not just say, "O we are right and u are wrong." without stating anything about any one issue or fact. So i rather u keep ur None opinions to urself, because its just a waste of everyones time.

dont get so overly dramatic about certain point ur trying to make when it is ur own opinion that is too vague to even discuss. Point being, if u have a case to make, then make it and stop flapping ur gums.

I get tired of ppl who just talk as though they know everything, but never make a case for anything.

[thewiseguy]

thats the point of posting infomation on Thai forum, because ppl have a wrong idea of history. We are here to do the best we can to correct that misinfomation.

Why should we listen to you? What creditintials do you have?

[thewiseguy]

every debate we come across, it is Lao members who come with supporting detail and infomation.

Again very funny. You, deejai, Ms Luver, & Buddahlove? LMAO. And you call that useful informations. Lmao.

[Buddhalove]

That is certainly a lot of power. It is about 2.5 times the new Nuke Plant that Vietnam is planning to build.

Probably way to go for Laos, when you're landlocked, have no oil in your territory, plus you can keep one of the most precious element on earth, "WATER" to use during the dry season.

[aithong]

Guys, how about we dont turn this into another pissing match like many other threads before? it's getting old that we cant act like adults.

[Manleow]

Again very funny. You, deejai, Ms Luver, & Buddahlove? LMAO. And you call that useful informations. Lmao.

lolzzz, seriously dude, u have major issues.

I guess the infomation that came along with this topic was way beyond ur understand and compacity to read?

thats all i have to say of that, other then, read the infomation from which supports what i have been saying and other ppl's opinion that was made before,

maybe u can take the same infomation i posted, and find what u disagree with, find supporting infomation to which u find in disagreement, and post it on this thread.

until then, stop yapping ur mouth.

my creditinals? i dont need credentials, im expressing my opinion and doing all i can to come up with supporting infomation.
Thats all i can ask of myself. so if anything, the only credential i need for Asianfinest descussion forum is my interest in History, knowledge and the truth.

[Zakrine]

Are you sure it is made up of mostly Lao people? Last I remember the Lao population is real small in Cambodia. True it use to be part of Laos but it was ours first during the great khmer empire. Get over it. Stung Treng is rightfully ours. Get on with your miserable life and move on. Go out and get laid or something instead of whining all the time like most of you Lao members do.

''Thai/Tai/Thailand''.
''Siamese are Khmer''.
''Oh no the chinese are coming to take our land''

All I hear about from lao members are complaints about its neighbor. If Laos is so great then why is it so far behind its neighbor. True Cambodia is not that far ahead of Laos but we had to go through a civil war where millions of lives were taking away. But still Cambodia has a brighter future. What excuses does Laos have to be poorer than Cambodia? Imagaine if the civil war never happened do you know how far ahead Cambodia will be from you guys? It had a thriving music scene, the movies were awesome, The French liked Cambodia so much and seen so much potentials they had to free us last.

I've never seen someone so butt hurt before.

Borders were drawn up, lands went to whatever government. Lots of provinces in Thailand are made up of Lao people, but I'm not complaining.

Plus the fact that Laos is compared to a country that suffered a huge genocide, and is still behind from that country, and also a country with a brutal military regime, again Laos is behind that country too, should spell out something to all the Lao people everywhere.

[Buddhalove]

Again very funny. You, deejai, Ms Luver, & Buddahlove? LMAO. And you call that useful informations. Lmao.

If you have other source to counter claim then show it. Just your lips are not good enough. As for now those are good information.

[laowatchdog]

Probably way to go for Laos, when you're landlocked, have no oil in your territory, plus you can keep one of the most precious element on earth, "WATER" to use during the dry season.

Agreed! However, I don't know if you know about a bunch of looney environmentalists who have been campaigning against hydro power plants.