Are Indonesian Racist? Options

[RockHeart]

Hello all Indonesian!!!

The majority of the people have been said that the most Indonesian are superracist Nation in the world. They never welcomed and gladed to see another nation come in asking some stuffs or share some ideas. I personally don't care much about that situation...Thats why i am here just want to hearing from all your consensus. Is it true the statement as above???

Please comments on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




RockHeart,




:genius:

[cloudyski]

don't characterize a country by its individual members!

booo!

[Triste]

You can be racist regardless of your nationality.

Actually, most Indonesians are okay with foreigners...EXCEPT for the extremists. There are lots of Indonesians who believe that 'Indonesia should be an Islamic country', etc.

But most of them are uneducated, and are thus quite dumb, sorry to say.

[RockHeart]

You can be racist regardless of your nationality.

Actually, most Indonesians are okay with foreigners...EXCEPT for the extremists. There are lots of Indonesians who believe that 'Indonesia should be an Islamic country', etc.

But most of them are uneducated, and are thus quite dumb, sorry to say.

What that means?? you said that they are DUMB and UNEDUCATED!!! Do they have some school in their country??? But i think they are the most racist in the world!!! Do you think what i think????




RockHeart,



:genius:

[Garuda]

I don't know anywherelse but in France, people seem to have a positive vision to indonesian and think that the indonesian people has in general a great sense of hospitality and welcome, it even has become one of the main attractiveness for people who visit indonesia : the legendary kindness of the indonesians, the permanent smile on their face... I don't invent it !!
So you guy don't have the right to say that indonesia is the most racist nation in the world. No nation is.

This post has been edited by Garuda: Jul 6 2004, 12:27 AM

[dalawapo]

hey Garuda are you balinese? can u tell me more about the architecture of the balinese buildings and the traditional dress, i seen that women's dress often in pictures! i'd like to learn more about the basic attire! tyy

[Garuda]

hey Garuda are you balinese?  can u tell me more about the architecture of the balinese buildings and the traditional dress, i seen that women's dress often in pictures! i'd like to learn more about the basic attire! tyy

No sorry i'm indonesian but not balinese... I'm not a specialist of balinese architecture but according to what i've read about balinese culture etc, balinese architecture consists of an open courtyard, with many small structures. This is true of temples, palaces, or common homes. The structures are made of volcanic rock and red brick, and roofed with sugar palm fiber.
One of the most common features of Balinese Architecture is the Bale.It's an open pavilion, consisting of a thatched roof, and no walls.The Bale is an all-function structure. In the day it's used for gathering and meals. In the evening, it's used for sleeping.The Bale represents the Hindu-Balinese universe. The roof is the 'gods' section, the body is the 'human' section, and the base is the 'demons' section.
The traditionnal dress those children are wearing are called "Kebaya", Also worn in Java and Sumatra but quite different.

Sorry i can't tell u more about that...

[Jotmaimamoreaj]

Garuda I like those little children in your signature. Garuda is such nice nick. In cambodian is Krood.

The little girl in Pink sarong look very much like my cousin's daughter. Nice looking children.

This post has been edited by Jotmaimamoreaj: Jul 6 2004, 08:19 PM

[xyclop]

From what I know when I was in Bali 1998 for holiday
Indonesians only racist to Chinese
but they worship white people
In 1998 a lot of CHinese were killed and raped Their homes burnt and invaded
That is all I know

[Nusantara]

You can be racist regardless of your nationality.

Actually, most Indonesians are okay with foreigners...EXCEPT for the extremists. There are lots of Indonesians who believe that 'Indonesia should be an Islamic country', etc.

But most of them are uneducated, and are thus quite dumb, sorry to say.

What that means?? you said that they are DUMB and UNEDUCATED!!! Do they have some school in their country??? But i think they are the most racist in the world!!! Do you think what i think????




RockHeart,



:genius:

But i think they are the most racist in the world!!! Do you think what i think????

if they are the most racist, how come there are a lot of chinese, indian and arab community in indonesia. the country which the most chinese descent in the world is indonesia. can you tell me how is it come into your mind that dumb thinking?

[dalawapo]

HELLO NUSANTARA!

i am intrigue by your screename Nusantara, can you tell me what it means? i have come across this word while studying about the Malagasy ppl of Madagascar island (which is an island off africa)...

i will link u to the website, they claim their ancestors are ancient indonesian who sail to their island 2,500+ years ago from Borneo and today share a close language with the Ma'anyan in south Borneo (Kalimantan, Indonesia)

MADAGASCAR and the FUTURE of the NUSANTARIAN WORLD

http://www.lemurdolls.com/manusa.htm

[Nusantara]

nice article, seems to give to much credit to malay stuff, such as:

"Moreover, it remind us that for 4,000 to 5,000 years, untill around the 10th century, the nusantarian peoples were the greatest navigators of the world"

btw, i am malay myself from riau archipelago

[dalawapo]

cool is riau archipelago truly the island where Bahasa Malaysia/Bahasa Indonesia derive?

[Nusantara]

cool is riau archipelago truly the island where Bahasa Malaysia/Bahasa Indonesia derive?

yes, it is.

the language spoken by people live in riau province and riau archipelago very similar with malay language from melacca peninsular we call it "cakap melayu". there are alot of relation between kingdom of siak and riau lingga and and sultanate of johor or melacca in malaysia just few hundred years back. In fact people in riau is the same ethnic with malay in malaysia not only in common as nusantarian or as austronesian race.

later on bahasa indonesia much get influenced by java, sunda and other indonesia local dialect yet bahasa indonesia and bahasa malaysia still 80-90% similar perhaps just like mexican and argentine or british and america for comparation.

[dalawapo]

wow indonesia/malaysia havs a very complex history! how do u manage to get it all straight?!

[Nusantara]

wow indonesia/malaysia havs a very complex history! how do u manage to get it all straight?!

indonesia and malaysia have unique relationship it went up and down. indonesia was becoming the role like big brother a few decade ago until 70's. but it seems malaysia right now taking this position now indonesia i can say have to look up to malaysia in term of economic progression. good for malaysia goverment which they can manage their country relatively more smooth and clean than indonesia, so it's less overheated and more competitiveness relatively to indonesia.
i know it's difficult to deal which very vast nation scattered with big sea in the between the islands but indonesia try to get it's path to contribute more. any country in this region have good progression direct or indirectly will be benefit also for it's neighbors.

[mamapeace]

yea man, my dad told me that when malaysia just got their independence indonesia was like the big brother. and now we are the small brother!
though we are still brothers! if it wasnt the dutch and english maybe we would become one country.

[Iron Malayan]

nice article, seems to give to much credit to malay stuff, such as:

"Moreover, it remind us that for 4,000 to 5,000 years, untill around the 10th century, the nusantarian peoples were the greatest navigators of the world"

btw, i am malay myself from riau archipelago 

Hi Nusantara. A fellow Malay muslim from across the straits here. I know we are going off topic but austronesian navigators were truly the greatest in that period.They invented the balance lug sail which was the first sail to allow a ship to zig zag into the wind.Other sail systems like the Arab lateen sail are derivatives of this invention.5000 years BP(before present) is only a conservative estimate.Some scholars suggested the beginning of Austronesian transoceanic voyages began 5500-6000BP.Anyway,another Austronesian contribution to technology was the outrigger vessels.

Austronesian vessels were also responsible in the exchange of language,merchandise,ideas and perhaps even people between Southeast Asia and the civilisations of Egypt,Mesopotamia and Indus Valley. For instance the Ban Chiang people in modern day Thailand were making bronze at the same time as the Sumerians.At this point I'm not sure who between them started the bronze age and regardless of who the Ban Chiang people were,Austronesian sailors may have had something to do with transporting the metalsmiths from one civilisation to the other. A large number of words shared by Sumerians and Austronesians also provides further evidence of constant contacts between them.

Sumerian and Austric Language

There is also remarkable similarities between Indus Valley script and Easter Island rongorongo hieroglyphs.Check out the bottom of this web page:www.atributetohinduism/Seafaring_in_Ancient_India

By the 1st century CE Malay people began building large ships that allowed spacious cabin and comfortable voyages for top paying passengers. Many Chinese monks and ambassadors wrote about these ships from the 3rd century onwards.

The report of the Chinese ambassador to Cambodia in 260, Kang Tai, referred to ‘great junks’ with seven sails, belonging to a Malayan or Indonesian state, which voyaged from the Far East to the Roman empire.  Faxian, the Buddhist pilgrim who went to India by land via the silk road in 399, returned to China by sea. He had no difficulty in finding ‘a large merchant-vessel on which there were over two hundred souls’ to take him from Ceylon to Java, and a similar ship to carry him on to Canton. From both east and west, the picture is of a regular, well-established traffic, in particular areas on some scale, using the best shipping of the day

www.upf.es
Bear in mind that the Roman empire mentioned above at one time extended into the Persian Gulf
The 12th century Arab geographer El Idrisi writes in Kitab Rujar about the inhabitants of Zabaj (Srivijaya) who travel to Sofala and Zanj on the coast of sub-Saharan Africa: "The residents of the Zabaj go to the land of Sofala and export the iron from there supplying it to all the lands of India. No iron is comparable to theirs in quality and sharpness." "The inhabitants of Zabaj call at Zanj in both large and small ships and trade their merchandise with them, as they understand each other's language."
"The Periplus of the Erythrean Sea" written in the 1st centuryCE also reported very large ships sailing to Chryse (Malay Peninsula) called colandia.

This post has been edited by Iron Malayan: Jul 21 2004, 02:25 PM

[Nusantara]

though we are still brothers! if it wasnt the dutch and english maybe we would become one country. 

we don't need to become one country i am happy for what it is. since we don't need visa to visit malaysia and vice versa. do you think malaysia will be so progress like now if it is one with in indonesia? i doubt so.
we know how corrupt our goverment since all the party and decision maker was sentralised in java. things is slightly getting better right now since there are special otonomi for it's province yet it was already too much chaotic caused by the new era regime at that time ruled indonesia as if this country just belong to his family member and can do what ever they want. bottom line we have not to repeat our mistake happened in the past and not shame to learn from others country.

[dalawapo]

i skim through that sumarian-austronesian site...

hmm, do u know anything about thnis boook which is one of the reference materials?

The Naga Race, Calcutta, 1994.

who is the naga race?