Malaysia Racial Harmony, The Malay affirmative action after 50 years. Options

[chutzpah]

SOURCE: http://www.worldpress.org/2298.cfm#down and http://dayakbaru.com/weblog08/2009/11/03/r...hat-1-malaysia/

This list is a common knowledge to a lot of Malaysians, especially those non-Malays (Chinese, Ibans, Kadazans, Orang Asli, Tamils, etc.) who have been racially discriminated against.

There is a list of statistical data detailing racial discrimination in Malaysia, practiced by the government and its agencies. This list is an open secret. Its existence is best verified by government itself since it keeps the statistics.

This list is not in the order of importance; that means the first one on the list is not the most important and the last one on the list does not mean it's the least important.

Figures in this list are merely estimates, so please take it as a guide only. The government of Malaysia has the most correct figures. Is government of Malaysia too ashamed to publish their racist acts by publishing racial statistics?

This list covers a period of about 48 years since independence (1957).

List of racial discriminations (Malaysia):

(1) Of the five major banks, only one is multi-racial, the rest are controlled by Malays.

(2) 99% of Petronas directors are Malays.

(3) 3% of Petronas employees are Chinese.

(4) 99% of 2000 Petronas gasoline stations are owned by Malays.

(5) 100% all contractors working under Petronas projects must be of Bumis status.

(6) 0% of non-Malay staff are legally required in Malay companies. But there must be 30% Malay staffs in Chinese companies.

(7) 5% of all new intake for government police, nurses, army, are non-Malays.

(8) 2% is the present Chinese staff in Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), a drop from 40% in 1960.

(9) 2% is the percentage of non-Malay government servants in Putrajaya, but Malays make up 98%.

(10) 7% is the percentage of Chinese government servants in the entire government (in 2004); a drop from 30% in 1960.

(11) 95% of government contracts are given to Malays.

(12) 100% all business licensees are controlled by Malay government, e.g. Taxi permits, Approved permits, etc.

(13) 80% of the Chinese rice millers in Kedah had to be sold to Malay controlled Bernas in 1980s. Otherwise, life is made difficult for Chinese rice millers.

(14) 100 big companies set up, owned and managed by Chinese Malaysians were taken over by government, and later managed by Malays since 1970s, e.g. UTC, UMBC, MISC, etc.

(15) At least 10 Chinese owned bus companies (throughout Malaysia in the past 40 years) had to be sold to MARA or other Malay transport companies due to rejection by Malay authorities to Chinese applications for bus routes and rejection for their applications for new buses.

(16) Two Chinese taxi drivers were barred from driving in Johor Larkin bus station. There are about 30 taxi drivers and three were Chinese in Oct. 2004. Spoiling taxi club properties was the reason given.

(17) 0 non-Malays are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar bus station (Nov. 2004).

(18) 8000 billion ringgit is the total amount the government channeled to Malay pockets through ASB, ASN, MARA, privatization of government agencies, Tabung Haji etc, through NEP over a 34 years period.

(19) 48 Chinese primary schools closed down from 1968 - 2000.

(20) 144 Indian primary schools closed down from 1968 - 2000.

(21) 2637 Malay primary schools built from 1968 - 2000.

(22) 2.5% is government budget for Chinese primary schools. Indian schools got only 1%, Malay schools got 96.5%.

(23) While a Chinese parent with RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get school textbook loan, a Malay parent with RM2000 salary is eligible.

(24) All 10 public university vice chancellors are Malays.

(25) 5% of the government universities' lecturers are of non-Malay origins. This percentage has been reduced from about 70% in 1965 to only 5% in 2004.

(26) Only 5% has been given to non-Malays for government scholarships in over 40
years.

(27) 0 Chinese or Indians were sent to Japan and Korea under the "Look East Policy."

(28) 128 STPM Chinese top students could not get into the course to which they aspired, i.e. Medicine (in 2004).

(29) 10% quotas are in place for non-Bumi students for MARA science schools beginning in 2003, but only 7% are filled. Before that it was 100% Malays.

(30) 50 cases in which Chinese and Indian Malaysians are beaten up in the National Service program in 2003.

(31) 25% of the Malaysian population was Chinese in 2004, a drop from 45% in 1957.

(32) 7% of the Malaysian population is Indian (2004), a drop from 12% in 1957.

(33) 2 million Chinese Malaysians have emigrated in the past 40 years.

(34) 0.5 million Indian Malaysians have emigrated overseas.

(35) 3 millions Indonesians have migrated to Malaysia and become Malaysian citizens with Bumis status.

(36) 600,000 Chinese and Indian Malaysians with red IC were rejected repeatedly when applying for citizenship in the past 40 years. Perhaps 60% of them had already passed away due to old age. This shows racism, based on how easily Indonesians got their citizenships compared with the Chinese and Indians.

(37) 5% - 15% discount for a Malay to buy a house, regardless whether the Malay is rich or poor.

(38) 2% is what new Chinese villages get, compared with 98% - what Malay villages got for rural development budget.

(39) 50 road names (at least) had been changed from Chinese names to other names.

(40) 1 Dewan Gan Boon Leong (in Malacca) was altered to another name (e.g. Dewan Serbaguna or something like that) when it was only officially used for a few days. The government tries to shun Chinese names. This example of racism occurred around 2000.

(41) 0 temples/churches were built for each housing estate. But every housing estate got at least one mosque/surau built.

(42) 3000 mosques/surau were built in all housing estates throughout Malaysia since 1970. No temples or churches are required to be built in housing estates.

(43) 1 Catholic church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to have a building constructed. But they were told by Malay authority that it must look like a factory
and not like a church. As of 2004 the application still have not been approved.

(44) 1 publishing of Bible in Iban language banned (in 2002).

(45) 0 of the government TV stations (RTM1, RTM2, TV3) are directors of non-Malay origin.

(46) 30 government produced TV dramas and films always showed that the bad guys had Chinese faces, and the good guys had Malay faces. You can check
it out since 1970s. Recent years, this has become less of a tendency.

(47) 10 times, at least, Malays (especially Umno) had threatened to massacre the Chinese Malaysians using May 13, since 1969.

(48) 20 constituencies won by DAP would not get funds from the government to develop. These Chinese majority constituencies would be the last to be
developed.

(49) 100 constituencies (parliaments and states) had been racially re-delineated so Chinese votes were diluted for Chinese candidates. This is one of the main reasons why DAP candidates have consistently lost in elections since the 1970s.

(50) Only 3 out of 12 human rights items are ratified by the Malaysian government since 1960.

(51) 0 - elimination of all forms of racial discrimination (UN Human Rights) has not been ratified by Malaysian government since 1960s.

(52) 20 reported cases whereby Malay ambulance attendances treated Chinese patients inhumanely, and Malay government hospital staffs purposely delayed attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported cases may be 200.

(53) 50 cases each year whereby Chinese, especially Chinese youths, are being beaten up by Malay youths in public places. Police reports may be checked to verify this, provided the police took the report, otherwise there will be no record.

(54) 20 cases every year whereby Chinese drivers who accidentally knocked down Malays were seriously assaulted or killed by Malays.

(55) 12% is what ASB/ASN got per annum while banks fixed deposits are only about 3.5% per annum.

There are hundreds more examples of racial discrimination in Malaysia to add to this list of "colossal" racism. It is hoped that the victims of racism will write in to help expose this situation.

The Malaysian government should publish statistics showing how much Malays had benefited from the "special rights" of Malays and at the same time release the statistics which show how minority races are being discriminated against.

Hence, the responsibility lies in the Malaysia government itself to publish unadulterated statistics of racial discrimination.

If the Malaysia government hides the statistics above, then there must be some evil doings, immoral doings, shameful doings and sinful doings, like the Nazis, going on with the non-Malays of Malaysia.

Civilized nations, unlike the evil Nazis, must publish statistics to show its treatment of its minority races. This is what Malaysia must publish.

We are asking for the publication of the statistics showing how "implementation of special rights of Malays" had inflicted colossal racial discrimination onto non-Malays.

Human Book
Penang, Malaysia

[yana19384]

yawn yawn yawn...u wouldnt even let your next door neighbour secretly take some of your mango fruits from the mango trees you planted since it was just a tiny stalk

[chutzpah]

yawn yawn yawn...u wouldnt even let your next door neighbour secretly take some of your mango fruits from the mango trees you planted since it was just a tiny stalk

Isn't it interesting that you should 'yawn' at such list which obviously benefitted only the majority. Even though you find it boring, you should still make some refutation if you disagree lest I think you agree.

If you imply there is racial harmony and that the government in fact is genuinely fostering racial harmony, give some examples. Because the continued brain drain from non Malays such as [swingdoctor] leaving the country is causing a serious set back for Malaysia. And the government has been calling those who left to return with the promise of many benefits but so far few have taken the offer for obvious reason.

BTW acquiring anything in secret without the consent of the owner amounting to theft no matter how trivial or what the situation is, wouldn't you agree? Beside how can the owner give his/her consent if it is taken in secret in the 1st place?

[swingdoctor]

I haven't responded to this becasue what you have posted is nothing new to us here in Malaysian Chat and has been presented before. And altough some of it is correct, mainly it is just a gross exaggeration. If you are really concerned about the plight of non malays and wish to help them, presenting "facts" like this doesn't help. Unless of course your only motive is to stir $hit.

[yana19384]

BTW acquiring anything in secret without the consent of the owner amounting to theft no matter how trivial or what the situation is, wouldn't you agree? Beside how can the owner give his/her consent if it is taken in secret in the 1st place?

thats exactly the point ..so some Malays believe they have to be given their rights to what is theirs..and let them have what is theirs..unless if they actually grab something thats not theirs then thats wrong wrong wrong
like someone has posted before (i forgot who and where and when) that person said that its just a reflex that Malays in Malaysia want to hold on to whats theirs as how the Chinese in China want to hold on to theirs, etc..

[danazach]

While your highlighting of the situation in Malaysia is to some degree correct, but your downright dismissal of the effort done by government and also improvement seen in Malaysia is clearly showing your bigoted standpoint.

From my personal experience, the new generation in Malaysia is definitely less racist than the old ones, but of course the effort should continue. And on government's effort, and whether it is genuine or not, please do suggest how we should assess this 'genuineness'. 1Malaysia concept was introduced in 2009, and I don't think 2 years is sufficient to give such conclusion (i.e. it is genuine or purely political ploy). I suppose we can have a hint of the 'sincerity'/'genuineness' of this after the next election in Malaysia.

SOURCE: http://www.worldpress.org/2298.cfm#down and http://dayakbaru.com/weblog08/2009/11/03/r...hat-1-malaysia/

This list is a common knowledge to a lot of Malaysians, especially those non-Malays (Chinese, Ibans, Kadazans, Orang Asli, Tamils, etc.) who have been racially discriminated against.

There is a list of statistical data detailing racial discrimination in Malaysia, practiced by the government and its agencies. This list is an open secret. Its existence is best verified by government itself since it keeps the statistics.

This list is not in the order of importance; that means the first one on the list is not the most important and the last one on the list does not mean it's the least important.

Figures in this list are merely estimates, so please take it as a guide only. The government of Malaysia has the most correct figures. Is government of Malaysia too ashamed to publish their racist acts by publishing racial statistics?

This list covers a period of about 48 years since independence (1957).

List of racial discriminations (Malaysia):

(1) Of the five major banks, only one is multi-racial, the rest are controlled by Malays.

(2) 99% of Petronas directors are Malays.

(3) 3% of Petronas employees are Chinese.

(4) 99% of 2000 Petronas gasoline stations are owned by Malays.

(5) 100% all contractors working under Petronas projects must be of Bumis status.

(6) 0% of non-Malay staff are legally required in Malay companies. But there must be 30% Malay staffs in Chinese companies.

(7) 5% of all new intake for government police, nurses, army, are non-Malays.

(8) 2% is the present Chinese staff in Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), a drop from 40% in 1960.

(9) 2% is the percentage of non-Malay government servants in Putrajaya, but Malays make up 98%.

(10) 7% is the percentage of Chinese government servants in the entire government (in 2004); a drop from 30% in 1960.

(11) 95% of government contracts are given to Malays.

(12) 100% all business licensees are controlled by Malay government, e.g. Taxi permits, Approved permits, etc.

(13) 80% of the Chinese rice millers in Kedah had to be sold to Malay controlled Bernas in 1980s. Otherwise, life is made difficult for Chinese rice millers.

(14) 100 big companies set up, owned and managed by Chinese Malaysians were taken over by government, and later managed by Malays since 1970s, e.g. UTC, UMBC, MISC, etc.

(15) At least 10 Chinese owned bus companies (throughout Malaysia in the past 40 years) had to be sold to MARA or other Malay transport companies due to rejection by Malay authorities to Chinese applications for bus routes and rejection for their applications for new buses.

(16) Two Chinese taxi drivers were barred from driving in Johor Larkin bus station. There are about 30 taxi drivers and three were Chinese in Oct. 2004. Spoiling taxi club properties was the reason given.

(17) 0 non-Malays are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar bus station (Nov. 2004).

(18) 8000 billion ringgit is the total amount the government channeled to Malay pockets through ASB, ASN, MARA, privatization of government agencies, Tabung Haji etc, through NEP over a 34 years period.

(19) 48 Chinese primary schools closed down from 1968 - 2000.

(20) 144 Indian primary schools closed down from 1968 - 2000.

(21) 2637 Malay primary schools built from 1968 - 2000.

(22) 2.5% is government budget for Chinese primary schools. Indian schools got only 1%, Malay schools got 96.5%.

(23) While a Chinese parent with RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get school textbook loan, a Malay parent with RM2000 salary is eligible.

(24) All 10 public university vice chancellors are Malays.

(25) 5% of the government universities' lecturers are of non-Malay origins. This percentage has been reduced from about 70% in 1965 to only 5% in 2004.

(26) Only 5% has been given to non-Malays for government scholarships in over 40
years.

(27) 0 Chinese or Indians were sent to Japan and Korea under the "Look East Policy."

(28) 128 STPM Chinese top students could not get into the course to which they aspired, i.e. Medicine (in 2004).

(29) 10% quotas are in place for non-Bumi students for MARA science schools beginning in 2003, but only 7% are filled. Before that it was 100% Malays.

(30) 50 cases in which Chinese and Indian Malaysians are beaten up in the National Service program in 2003.

(31) 25% of the Malaysian population was Chinese in 2004, a drop from 45% in 1957.

(32) 7% of the Malaysian population is Indian (2004), a drop from 12% in 1957.

(33) 2 million Chinese Malaysians have emigrated in the past 40 years.

(34) 0.5 million Indian Malaysians have emigrated overseas.

(35) 3 millions Indonesians have migrated to Malaysia and become Malaysian citizens with Bumis status.

(36) 600,000 Chinese and Indian Malaysians with red IC were rejected repeatedly when applying for citizenship in the past 40 years. Perhaps 60% of them had already passed away due to old age. This shows racism, based on how easily Indonesians got their citizenships compared with the Chinese and Indians.

(37) 5% - 15% discount for a Malay to buy a house, regardless whether the Malay is rich or poor.

(38) 2% is what new Chinese villages get, compared with 98% - what Malay villages got for rural development budget.

(39) 50 road names (at least) had been changed from Chinese names to other names.

(40) 1 Dewan Gan Boon Leong (in Malacca) was altered to another name (e.g. Dewan Serbaguna or something like that) when it was only officially used for a few days. The government tries to shun Chinese names. This example of racism occurred around 2000.

(41) 0 temples/churches were built for each housing estate. But every housing estate got at least one mosque/surau built.

(42) 3000 mosques/surau were built in all housing estates throughout Malaysia since 1970. No temples or churches are required to be built in housing estates.

(43) 1 Catholic church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to have a building constructed. But they were told by Malay authority that it must look like a factory
and not like a church. As of 2004 the application still have not been approved.

(44) 1 publishing of Bible in Iban language banned (in 2002).

(45) 0 of the government TV stations (RTM1, RTM2, TV3) are directors of non-Malay origin.

(46) 30 government produced TV dramas and films always showed that the bad guys had Chinese faces, and the good guys had Malay faces. You can check
it out since 1970s. Recent years, this has become less of a tendency.

(47) 10 times, at least, Malays (especially Umno) had threatened to massacre the Chinese Malaysians using May 13, since 1969.

(48) 20 constituencies won by DAP would not get funds from the government to develop. These Chinese majority constituencies would be the last to be
developed.

(49) 100 constituencies (parliaments and states) had been racially re-delineated so Chinese votes were diluted for Chinese candidates. This is one of the main reasons why DAP candidates have consistently lost in elections since the 1970s.

(50) Only 3 out of 12 human rights items are ratified by the Malaysian government since 1960.

(51) 0 - elimination of all forms of racial discrimination (UN Human Rights) has not been ratified by Malaysian government since 1960s.

(52) 20 reported cases whereby Malay ambulance attendances treated Chinese patients inhumanely, and Malay government hospital staffs purposely delayed attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported cases may be 200.

(53) 50 cases each year whereby Chinese, especially Chinese youths, are being beaten up by Malay youths in public places. Police reports may be checked to verify this, provided the police took the report, otherwise there will be no record.

(54) 20 cases every year whereby Chinese drivers who accidentally knocked down Malays were seriously assaulted or killed by Malays.

(55) 12% is what ASB/ASN got per annum while banks fixed deposits are only about 3.5% per annum.

There are hundreds more examples of racial discrimination in Malaysia to add to this list of "colossal" racism. It is hoped that the victims of racism will write in to help expose this situation.

The Malaysian government should publish statistics showing how much Malays had benefited from the "special rights" of Malays and at the same time release the statistics which show how minority races are being discriminated against.

Hence, the responsibility lies in the Malaysia government itself to publish unadulterated statistics of racial discrimination.

If the Malaysia government hides the statistics above, then there must be some evil doings, immoral doings, shameful doings and sinful doings, like the Nazis, going on with the non-Malays of Malaysia.

Civilized nations, unlike the evil Nazis, must publish statistics to show its treatment of its minority races. This is what Malaysia must publish.

We are asking for the publication of the statistics showing how "implementation of special rights of Malays" had inflicted colossal racial discrimination onto non-Malays.

Human Book
Penang, Malaysia

[chutzpah]

thats exactly the point ..so some Malays believe they have to be given their rights to what is theirs..and let them have what is theirs..unless if they actually grab something thats not theirs then thats wrong wrong wrong
like someone has posted before (i forgot who and where and when) that person said that its just a reflex that Malays in Malaysia want to hold on to whats theirs as how the Chinese in China want to hold on to theirs, etc..

If you have any brain you will note that the list is about the unfairness of the Malay affirmative action given to the majority who also holds the absolute power at the great expense of the minorities, namely the Indians and the Chinese. It is not about Malay's right or their entitlements, got it!

As I see it you are no different from your kind, instead of addressing the issue you go on the defensive, how typical!

While your highlighting of the situation in Malaysia is to some degree correct, but your downright dismissal of the effort done by government and also improvement seen in Malaysia is clearly showing your bigoted standpoint.

From my personal experience, the new generation in Malaysia is definitely less racist than the old ones, but of course the effort should continue. And on government's effort, and whether it is genuine or not, please do suggest how we should assess this 'genuineness'. 1Malaysia concept was introduced in 2009, and I don't think 2 years is sufficient to give such conclusion (i.e. it is genuine or purely political ploy). I suppose we can have a hint of the 'sincerity'/'genuineness' of this after the next election in Malaysia.

As you are a typical Malay apologist, why don't you post to the wonderful effort you talk about and refute what's in the list instead of pontificating with such self-righteousness? And while you are at it why don't you cite and give examples of the success of 1Malaysia as you are obviously besotted by the whole concept?

[Crystallised Dre...]

As you are a typical Malay apologist, why don't you post to the wonderful effort you talk about and refute what's in the list instead of pontificating with such self-righteousness?

Sorry, permit me to bump in as I am on a roll this evening!

I find it surprising that you would brand him as a typical Malay apologist, as there is nothing in that post of his to suggest that he is one. I would not be surprised if that is the impression you are giving in MYChat, going by your lack of coverage on the efforts of the opposition and of the people.

Also, because apparently everyone here has Internet access, and since you managed to grab all those news articles I am quite surprised that you have missed out on the other side of the coin, which I think is also equally if not more interesting.

And while you are at it why don't you cite and give examples of the success of 1Malaysia as you are obviously besotted by the whole concept?

Sorry chutzpah but there is no indication that he is besotted by the 1Malaysia concept. Carefully consider the following phrases highlighted:

1Malaysia concept was introduced in 2009, and I don't think 2 years is sufficient to give such conclusion (i.e. it is genuine or purely political ploy). I suppose we can have a hint of the 'sincerity'/'genuineness' of this after the next election in Malaysia.

I should imagine that one totally besotted by the 1Malaysia concept would go something like this:

1Malaysia concept was introduced in 2009, and 2 years is sufficient enough to prove that it is genuine and NOT a political ploy. This is demonstrated in election campaigns as well as the recent 1Malaysia events held by the government.

[chutzpah]

CD why not go all the way and do it for him/her by posting the other side of the coin? Talk is cheap you know!

[Crystallised Dre...]

CD why not go all the way and do it for him/her by posting the other side of the coin? Talk is cheap you know!

Haha I have done that many times in the past with my replies to various topics and oh yes, I could post up all those articles. But don't you think it's also a good opportunity to prove your credibility by actually exploring that other side of the coin yourself and posting them up? It'll also help you know the real deal that is happening in the country in case you are not Malaysian. Not that you're obliged to familiarise yourself with the real deal, but just saying.

[danazach]

well since you are taking so many examples of Petronas, lets look at Petronas' board members (page 11 and page 18-21) for a start.

After the president (Dato Shamsul) there are 4 executive vice presidents (EVPs - i.e. second highest in rank after the President), 2 are Malays, 1 Chinese and while Datuk George Ratilal is clearly not Malay.

You can also look at the other board of directors but I think these EVPs are good enough as a sample to show that your 99%-board-directors-are-Malay claim is unfounded. It could either be erroneous or outdated. But yeah if it is outdated, this is an example where there is an improvement, no? [if you insist on the board of director, non Malays are 4/14= 29% or if technically correct 5/14 = 36% since Md Omar Mustapha Ong is a Chinese Muslim (converted))

I can only surmise that if there are changes at the highest level of Petronas, it will eventually cascade down to the working level.

CD why not go all the way and do it for him/her by posting the other side of the coin? Talk is cheap you know!

This post has been edited by danazach: Jan 17 2011, 10:16 AM

[yana19384]

yawn yawn..i think i enjoy my hamster talking to each other more than coming here..these topics are so 10 years ago

[chutzpah]

well since you are taking so many examples of Petronas, lets look at Petronas' board members (page 11 and page 18-21) for a start.

After the president (Dato Shamsul) there are 4 executive vice presidents (EVPs - i.e. second highest in rank after the President), 2 are Malays, 1 Chinese and while Datuk George Ratilal is clearly not Malay.

You can also look at the other board of directors but I think these EVPs are good enough as a sample to show that your 99%-board-directors-are-Malay claim is unfounded. It could either be erroneous or outdated. But yeah if it is outdated, this is an example where there is an improvement, no? [if you insist on the board of director, non Malays are 4/14= 29% or if technically correct 5/14 = 36% since Md Omar Mustapha Ong is a Chinese Muslim (converted))

I can only surmise that if there are changes at the highest level of Petronas, it will eventually cascade down to the working level.

Then perhaps it's time to draw up a new list and see what exactly is the current position of the non Malays in Bolehland. Not just in corporate (civil) and public (government) including military/police but also in all social aspects. The last time I heard the non Malays were blamed for being unpatriotic by the defence minister, yes it's during the Beijing Asian Game where non Malays Bolehland athletes patriotically competed under the crescent moon/star and stripes banner! The last time I heard the Bolehland Christians are still denied their basic right to use the term 'Allah' even though after the ruling of the high court. But I guess these are but insignificant issues so long political correctness is observed and keep dish out apologies for the wrongs so as not to offend the majority, the Malays, nevermind that these basic human right issues do not challenge the Ketuanan Melayu in anyway. Beside who in their right mind would challenge them after all it is their land - Bolehland, and non Malays are but squatters even after decades, a nuisance really.

[chutzpah]

yawn yawn..i think i enjoy my hamster talking to each other more than coming here..these topics are so 10 years ago

Yes yana, things have improved for the better while you do your bit by keep yawning, isn't that right?

[danazach]

Don't you see the point.

To highlight the issue is fine, but to disregard any effort and being so bloody cynical about any of the initiatives or changes, you are as bigoted as some of the racist Malay supremacist we find a lot in Malaysia, but at the other extreme.

Then perhaps it's time to draw up a new list and see what exactly is the current position of the non Malays in Bolehland. Not just in corporate (civil) and public (government) including military/police but also in all social aspects. The last time I heard the non Malays were blamed for being unpatriotic by the defence minister, yes it's during the Beijing Asian Game where non Malays Bolehland athletes patriotically competed under the crescent moon/star and stripes banner! The last time I heard the Bolehland Christians are still denied their basic right to use the term 'Allah' even though after the ruling of the high court. But I guess these are but insignificant issues so long political correctness is observed and keep dish out apologies for the wrongs so as not to offend the majority, the Malays, nevermind that these basic human right issues do not challenge the Ketuanan Melayu in anyway. Beside who in their right mind would challenge them after all it is their land - Bolehland, and non Malays are but squatters even after decades, a nuisance really.

[yana19384]

Yes yana, things have improved for the better while you do your bit by keep yawning, isn't that right?

yes chutzpah..ive showed my love and appreciation towards my country and the people around me no matter what their race are and are always treating them equally
i see patients of all races and ages everyday and they have thanked me deeply for what ive done..not a second they would asked for a doctor their race to speak or treat them and never have i been racist towards them
we allllllllllllllllllllllllll seem to be living in equal harmony n respect each others very well
at least i am living in the real world and going through some real time with real people and i dont see that there is no way we cant live with each other
we get pass by the differences among us n still be able to go through life peacefuly
so yes...i am making a difference and i see that differences even though i yawn all the time..maybe u should join my yawn club too to be a little more stress free and see things differently and accept each others fallups..its not so difficult cos either way we are living in the same planet..no matter how hard u r nuclear bombing those who hate u..u will still get the aftermaths afterwards n u get affected badly by it too

[chutzpah]

Don't you see the point.

To highlight the issue is fine, but to disregard any effort and being so bloody cynical about any of the initiatives or changes, you are as bigoted as some of the racist Malay supremacist we find a lot in Malaysia, but at the other extreme.

Tsk tsk tsk, hold your horses and can your self righteous indignation. If you could just show me any of the initiatives or changes you have been peddling (CD did), then perhaps, just perhaps we can get somewhere.

From my personal experience, the new generation in Malaysia is definitely less racist..

I disagree, the posts of the 'Malay' members in MYChat do not indicate that they are less racist. In fact typically, each and every one of them can't stomach any kind of criticisms and they all seems to approve of each other regardless of the tone and content of their posts, and it is always end up with racial and religious undertones, it is their prerogatives, and I will continue to highlight them. I have yet to meet a Malay that is truly different, a part from Raja Petra. I suggest that you refrain from getting personal and stop the labelling and name calling because it achieves nothing.

[chutzpah]

yes chutzpah..ive showed my love and appreciation towards my country and the people around me no matter what their race are and are always treating them equally
i see patients of all races and ages everyday and they have thanked me deeply for what ive done..not a second they would asked for a doctor their race to speak or treat them and never have i been racist towards them
we allllllllllllllllllllllllll seem to be living in equal harmony n respect each others very well
at least i am living in the real world and going through some real time with real people and i dont see that there is no way we cant live with each other
we get pass by the differences among us n still be able to go through life peacefuly
so yes...i am making a difference and i see that differences even though i yawn all the time..maybe u should join my yawn club too to be a little more stress free and see things differently and accept each others fallups..its not so difficult cos either way we are living in the same planet..no matter how hard u r nuclear bombing those who hate u..u will still get the aftermaths afterwards n u get affected badly by it too

Yes so you keep reminding everyone, but as I have said it is difficult to walk the talk, and you have proved this very point several times.

[danazach]

Assuming that you are the type who checks the credibility of an info before citing it, and not those who simply grab anything in the internet that can support your notion, have I not shown you one example where there is a change i.e. more non Malays are appointed as Petronas board of directors (1% to now more than ~30%)?

So you're willing to get somewhere now, or are you gonna question the authenticity of the very article that you so vehemently posted in this thread, (perhaps without even caring to know whether it is factually accurate or not)?

Tsk tsk tsk, hold your horses and can your self righteous indignation. If you could just show me any of the initiatives or changes you have been peddling (CD did), then perhaps, just perhaps we can get somewhere.



I disagree, the posts of the 'Malay' members in MYChat do not indicate that they are less racist. In fact typically, each and every one of them can't stomach any kind of criticisms and they all seems to approve of each other regardless of the tone and content of their posts, and it is always end up with racial and religious undertones, it is their prerogatives, and I will continue to highlight them. I have yet to meet a Malay that is truly different, a part from Raja Petra. I suggest that you refrain from getting personal and stop the labelling and name calling because it achieves nothing.

This post has been edited by danazach: Jan 21 2011, 07:59 AM

[chutzpah]

Assuming that you are the type who checks the credibility of an info before citing it, and not those who simply grab anything in the internet that can support your notion, have I not shown you one example where there is a change i.e. more non Malays are appointed as Petronas board of directors (1% to now more than ~30%)?

So you're willing to get somewhere now, or are you gonna question the authenticity of the very article that you so vehemently posted in this thread, (perhaps without even caring to know whether it is factually accurate or not)?

If what I have 'grabbed' from the internet so far apart from that list can not be substantiated pls try to show me otherwise. With regard to your 'example' admittedly in this particular case it is clearly no longer 1% as the list suggested and I admitted that much above. But what effect does that have to the ordinary non Malays on the street? You insisted there has been improvement but you failed to give any examples. All you have done is to cite the Petronas BOD from the list which has little or no bearing what so ever on the non Malays or any impact on their daily life. If you question the authenticity of the list why not prove that it is wrong all along? I am not here to argue with you or anyone just for the sake of it.

It seems to me that you employ double standards. You condemn and call me a bigotted racist for posting unsavoury articles about Malay racism but you are silent about those who post anti non Malays articles no matter how racist they are with their outright lies. Let me ask you again, racist and anti Chinese/Christians post are OK but when it comes to Malay's racism it's a no no?

I am rather tired of being told not to post the same articles related to the same issues. Why the heck not when the problem is on going? Just because these issues have been discussed in previous threads which are since dead for whatever reason doesn't mean they should not be brought up again and be swept under the carpet.

This post has been edited by chutzpah: Jan 24 2011, 02:32 AM