Hispanics fuel White population growth Options

[devils666]

Whiteys love to accuse Han Chinese of absorbing other ethnicities. But really it's White people who are absorbing other races and forcing them to assimilate.

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a twist to notions of race identity, new 2010 census figures show an unexpected reason behind a renewed growth in the U.S. white population: more Hispanics listing themselves as white in the once-a-decade government count.

The shift is due to recent census changes that emphasize "Hispanic" as an ethnicity, not a race. While the U.S. government first made this distinction in 1980, many Latinos continued to use the "some other race" box to establish a Hispanic identity. In a switch, the 2010 census forms specifically instructed Latinos that Hispanic origins are not races and to select a recognized category such as white or black.

The result: a 6 percent increase in white Americans as tallied by the census, even though there was little change among non-Hispanic whites. In all, the number of people in the "white alone" category jumped by 12.1 million over the last decade to 223.6 million. Based on that definition, whites now represent 72 percent of the U.S. population and account for nearly half of the total population increase since 2000.

Broken down by state, California and Texas were home to nearly half of Hispanics who identified as white, followed by Florida and New York. Together, these four states comprised nearly two-thirds of the "white alone" population who were Hispanic. Overall, Hialeah, Fla.; Fargo, N.D.; Arvada, Colo.; Billings, Mont., and Scottsdale, Ariz., posted the highest shares in the "white alone" category, at roughly 90 percent or more.

"The white population has become more diverse as evidenced by the growth of the Hispanic white population and the multiple-race white population," including black-white and white-Asian people, according to the 2010 census analysis released Thursday.

Some demographers say the broadened white category in 2010 could lead to a notable semantic if not cultural shift in defining race and ethnicity. Due to the impact of Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing group, the Census Bureau has previously estimated that whites will become the minority in the U.S. by midcentury. That is based on a definition of whites as non-Hispanic, who are now at 196.8 million.

That could change, if the common conception of white were to shift.

"What's white in America in 1910, 2010 or even 2011 simply isn't the same," said Robert Lang, sociology professor at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, citing the many different groups of European immigrants in the early 20th century who later became known collectively as white. He notes today that could mean a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant in upstate New York or Jews and Italians in the lowest East side of Manhattan.

Predicting a similar shift for Hispanics, Lang and others noted that mixed marriages are now more common between whites and Hispanics. U.S.-born Latino children of immigrants also are more likely than their parents to identify as white. "The definition of white has always been expansive," he said. "I could see the census in 2030 or 2040 dropping the differentiation between Hispanics and whites."

Roderick Harrison, a Howard University sociologist and former chief of racial statistics at the Census Bureau, agreed that growing numbers of second- and third-generation Hispanics may lose some of their cultural identity as they become more assimilated in the U.S. "Some portion might indeed become, for most social purposes, 'white,'" he said.

The latest census figures also show the number of Americans who identified themselves as partly black and partly white more than doubled to 1.8 million. For the first time, the black-white combination is the most prevalent group among multiracial Americans, making up 1 in 5 members of that subgroup. They exceed the number of multiracials who identified as being white and "some other race," composed of mostly Hispanics, as well as white-Asians and white-American Indians.

States in the South including South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama tripled their numbers of people identifying as a mix of black and white, mostly because their overall numbers are smaller. In those places, less than 3 percent of blacks identified that way — lower than the national average of 4.5 percent.

In raw numbers, states that had the biggest increases in the black-white category were California, Florida, Texas, New York, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Some blacks who are partly white have been reluctant to openly embrace their white background, due to a strong black identity in their communities. Historically, several states previously had a "one drop" rule that classified whites with any African blood as black.

In the 2010 census, President Barack Obama was among those who identified himself only as African-American, even though his mother was white.

"There is no question that racial lines are blurring in the United States, especially among 'new' minorities — Hispanics, Asians and growing mixed race generations. Yet it's particularly significant that we are seeing breakdowns in white-black separation," said William H. Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. "Strong gains in interracial marriages and higher mixed-race identification among youth suggest that past racial categories will need to be radically changed or even dispensed with in the next two or three decades."

The share of Hispanics identifying themselves as white increased over the past decade from 48 percent to 53 percent, while the proportion of those who marked "some other race" dropped from 42 percent to 37 percent. Many Hispanics previously preferred to check the "some other race" category to express their nationalities — such as Mexican or Cuban.

The Census Bureau has been examining different ways to count the nation's demographic groups. One experiment is a possible change to the questionnaire that would effectively treat Hispanics as a mutually exclusive group. It would allow people to check off just one of five race or ethnic categories — white, black, Hispanic, Asian/Pacific Islander or American Indian/Alaska Native — rather than asking people who identify themselves as Hispanic to also check what race they are.

Other findings:

—The multiple-race white population, including black-whites and white-Asians, increased by at least 8 percent in every state, with the biggest gains in the South.

—The non-Hispanic white population declined in 15 states, mostly in the Northeast and Midwest.

—The majority of blacks, both non-Hispanic blacks and those in combination with Hispanics or other races, lived in the South. About 60 percent of their total population lived in 10 states — New York, Florida, Texas, Georgia, California, North Carolina, Illinois, Maryland, Virginia and Ohio. The biggest gains in blacks over the past decade occurred in Florida, Georgia, Texas and North Carolina.

—Cities with the highest share of blacks, both non-Hispanic and in combination with others, include Detroit at 84 percent. It was followed by Jackson, Miss., Miami Gardens, Fla., and Birmingham, Ala.

http://news.yahoo.com/census-hispanics-fue...-173449405.html

This post has been edited by devils666: Sep 29 2011, 04:59 PM

[fireplant]

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[AnybodyKiller]

Whiteys love to accuse Han Chinese of absorbing other ethnicities. But really it's White people who are absorbing other races and forcing them to assimilate.






http://news.yahoo.com/census-hispanics-fue...-173449405.html

I agree, I always hear Hispanic, Latino is not a race.. But it is a separate culture and identity. They should just have people write their race down and not have to check a bubble.. $hits stupid.

I've noticed some White Americans try to make you feel bad about your culture. It's definitely an undertone in Western society. Like on a lot of comedy movies or shows they make minorities that aren't white washed appear comical or not worthy of respect. Dumb Loud Blacks, Cholo/Ghetto Mexicans, Wimpy Nerdy Asians. Not all of them but there is a good amount, like when you walk by they have a racist smile on their face.. You can tell that theyre thinking of a stereotype or some foul $hit, Like looking down on you. I just smirk right back

My one friend will say $hit to them like, "Punk @$$ whiteboy".. Most of the time they just look hella hurt and shocked after, And we just laugh. I'm half white but I don't get mad when people say $hit like that because I understand where it comes from. They don't wanna see you be yourself. They want you to wannabe them. It's like they want America to be a White washer not a melting pot.

There are cool white people though. There are just a lot of annoying ones too.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Sep 29 2011, 05:45 PM

[chutzpah]

How odd that many Hispanics/Latinos would list themselves as caucasian (white) Reverse racism?

[AnybodyKiller]

How odd that many Hispanics/Latinos would list themselves as caucasian (white) Reverse racism?

Some of them are just like Charlie Sheen who thinks by rejecting his heritage he will be able to do better in the world. Sell Outs. Some of them just put white because they have Spanish heritage and there's no Aztec bubble.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Sep 29 2011, 06:01 PM

[Crossbow]

Americas belongs to indigenous native Americans. The rightful owners of the land is finally gainning grounds.

[samnang]

mexicans are scary.

i really, really wouldn't want to live in a mexican-majority neighborhood.

[Metropolitan]

Just take a look at this FBI 10 most wanted list. After clicking on 'Apocalypto' looking Esse's profile it say White then in parenthesis (Hispanic) LOL... I been using that word alot and if some of you feel like it you can too. Check out the 'Apocalyptos'... It's not a racial slur officially which is cool in my book...

[2tru]

For centuries, many millions of "Hispanics" in the Americas have insisted that they're White. They take it as an insult when Whites disagree. And contrary to what some people assert, Americans aren't trying to force foreigners to assimilate. Americans would like foreigners go to away.

This post has been edited by 2tru: Sep 29 2011, 09:41 PM

[2tru]

Some of them are just like Charlie Sheen who thinks by rejecting his heritage he will be able to do better in the world. Sell Outs. Some of them just put white because they have Spanish heritage and there's no Aztec bubble.

Charlie Sheen isn't an "Aztec" (and you're not supposed to call the Mexica people "Aztecs".) His father's parents were from Ireland and Spain. His mother had an English name, whatever her ancestry was.

Few Mexicans have Mexica ancestry. If the U.S. census forms had a Mexica or "Aztec" bubble, few hispanics in the U.S. could accurately check it off. Few people in Mexico could accurately check it off.

Charlie Sheen, who was born in the U.S. of European ancestry, certainly couldn't accurately check off "Aztec".

[AnybodyKiller]

Charlie Sheen isn't an "Aztec" (and you're not supposed to call the Mexica people "Aztecs".) His father's parents were from Ireland and Spain. His mother had an English name, whatever her ancestry was.

Few Mexicans have Mexica ancestry. If the U.S. census forms had a Mexica or "Aztec" bubble, few hispanics in the U.S. could accurately check it off. Few people in Mexico could accurately check it off.

Charlie Sheen, who was born in the U.S. of European ancestry, certainly couldn't accurately check off "Aztec".

Sorry if I offended you. My point was they don't have an accurate check box for the "long term Mestizos" from Mexico, Puerto Rico, El Salvador Etc.

What do you mean "Few Mexicans have Mexica ancestry"? Btw, Are you Mexican?

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Sep 30 2011, 12:09 AM

[DOUBLEMINT]

Charlie Sheen looks white.

[KraterosHellas]

i think mexicans and blacks are cool people. if they controlled the US governmnet, this world would be a lot safer place. unfortunately that's not the case

[fireplant]

^It would be good for the world, I agree.

[togepi]

Hispanic is an adjective used to describe people from Spanish speaking countries.

There are many people with white European ancestors in Hispanic countries (like Argentina). It is a legacy of Spanish colonialism.

However, there is little scientific evidence to support concept of 'race' that nationalists of all kinds like to purport.

[2tru]

My point was they don't have an accurate check box for the "long term Mestizos" from Mexico, Puerto Rico, El Salvador Etc.

I don't think they have check boxes for Norwegian, Swedish, Danish or Lombard, Apulian, Calabrese, either. Are they necessary? Write to the Census Bureau.

What do you mean "Few Mexicans have Mexica ancestry"?

The Mexica were one tiny group among the many "Native American" groups in what is presently Mexico. Calling all present-day Mexican Indios "Aztec" or "Mexica" would be something like calling all of the Indians in the U.S. "Mohawks". It would be even less accurate to call Mexican mestizos and Mexican Whites "Aztecs" or Mexicas.

At its height, the Mexica Empire included only a small region around Mexico City. The other Indios in what is presently Mexico were not Mexica. And most of them didn't care for the Mexica, a fact that made it fairly easy for Cortez to conquer the Mexica. Lots of non-Mexica Indios in the vicinity saw in Cortez an opportunity to be free of the brutal rule of the Mexica.

It wouldn't be accurate to call all of the non-Mexica Indios, the mestizos, and the Whites of Mexico "Aztecs".

You're not even supposed to refer to the Mexica as "Aztecs".

[AnybodyKiller]

I don't think they have check boxes for Norwegian, Swedish, Danish or Lombard, Apulian, Calabrese, either. Are they necessary? Write to the Census Bureau.

The Mexica were one tiny group among the many "Native American" groups in what is presently Mexico. Calling all present-day Mexican Indios "Aztec" or "Mexica" would be something like calling all of the Indians in the U.S. "Mohawks". It would be even less accurate to call Mexican mestizos and Mexican Whites "Aztecs" or Mexicas.

At its height, the Mexica Empire included only a small region around Mexico City. The other Indios in what is presently Mexico were not Mexica. And most of them didn't care for the Mexica, a fact that made it fairly easy for Cortez to conquer the Mexica. Lots of non-Mexica Indios in the vicinity saw in Cortez an opportunity to be free of the brutal rule of the Mexica.

It wouldn't be accurate to call all of the non-Mexica Indios, the mestizos, and the Whites of Mexico "Aztecs".

You're not even supposed to refer to the Mexica as "Aztecs".

Ok. I've heard a lot of Mexicans take pride in Aztec heritage, but maybe they're mistaken.. They even get Aztec warrior tats on them. Sorry for not being PC, I'll go tell them they can't claim Aztec and see how they react.



EDIT: I guess Aztlan is the term or concept I was trying to explain unsuccessfully, sorry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano_Movement#Aztl.C3.A1n

BTW, Are you Mexican?.. You seem to care a lot about this.

This post has been edited by AnybodyKiller: Sep 30 2011, 10:29 AM

[JaM]

Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive; a Hispanic can be white, but I think that's rather unimportant. I can understand that some people would be confused. A Cuban Hispanic is not the same as an Argentinean Hispanic, and they're not the same as Mexicans. In the US, the may associate in some way, and become more alike because they associate and due to their language, but otherwise they have little in common, and they have different origins.

Mexicans, who doesn't know their indigenous ancestry or any indigenous language or culture, are typically not Native Americans. They may have indigenous ancestry, but they're mixed. They're Mestizo, and can never claim to be any specific "race". They are just as much white as they are Native American, and their basic culture is of "white" European origin or influence. Usually they don't even know their actual origin.

I think there should just be a field for ethnicity and none for race, but the problem is that many are from an indeterminable multi ethnic origins. Americans, Hispanic or Anglo, are in a ethnically no man's land, lost without any true ethnicity, and unless they accept their nationality of origin as their ethnicity, they will remain that way. It's obvious that the US census will show completely unrealistic demographics of the USA if all Hispanics are considered white, since Hispanics can have any kind of ancestry, without any limitation whatsoever.

[2tru]

Ok. I've heard a lot of Mexicans take pride in Aztec heritage, but maybe they're mistaken.. They even get Aztec warrior tats on them. Sorry for not being PC, I'll go tell them they can't claim Aztec and see how they react.

EDIT: I guess Aztlan is the term or concept I was trying to explain unsuccessfully, sorry

I'd never presume to tell anyone he can't have his beliefs, but I can point out that most people's beliefs about the past and their own pasts are nonsense. For instance, lots of Irish people think they're Celts.

The stuff you'll hear from Chicanos about "Aztlan" is largely mythical. For the most part, these aren't educated people.

My posts have nothing to do with being "politically" correct. Quite the opposite. "Political" correctness is what you rely on when factual correctness isn't on your side. Political correctness is what you resort to when the truth flies in the face of your ideology.

[If this double posts, I'm sorry. The board is acting up.]

[AnybodyKiller]

I'd never presume to tell anyone he can't have his beliefs, but I can point out that most people's beliefs about the past and their own pasts are nonsense. For instance, lots of Irish people think they're Celts.

The stuff you'll hear from Chicanos about "Aztlan" is largely mythical. For the most part, these aren't educated people.

My posts have nothing to do with being "politically" correct. Quite the opposite. "Political" correctness is what you rely on when factual correctness isn't on your side. Political correctness is what you resort to when the truth flies in the face of your ideology.

[If this double posts, I'm sorry. The board is acting up.]

It's not my ideology so I can't really argue for them.

The stuff you'll hear from Chicanos about "Aztlan" is largely mythical. For the most part, these aren't educated people

It's "mythical" because white spaniards robbed them of their true history.

Anyways the point is many "Latin American Mestizos" feel they deserve a different box for race.